Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-22 Thread Andreas Beckmann
On 2013-05-22 03:53, Michael Gilbert wrote: > I think the first step would be get get pages like [0] to include > version numbers of the packages tested (and preferably links to test > logs). This should be put into a wishlist bug against piuparts-master ... If that were in place, then a patch

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-21 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:19 AM, Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 01:21:41AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote: >> That might be possible with DPAs and if upload management is changed >> generally to get less "broken" packages into unstable. E.g. > > I think that most of the ideas you pre

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-21 Thread Andreas Beckmann
On 2013-05-21 11:47, Holger Levsen wrote: > As you asked for numbers, here is one: there are 167 piuparts failures in sid > today. Thats 167 bugs to file (if they werent already). Which wouldnt have to > be filed if these packages would not have entered in the first place. Not to forget the 550 p

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, Bastian Blank wrote: > What problem are you trying to solve? What percentage of packages is > currently broken? Please specify the false positive and false negative > rates of all tests involved, especially the ones you propose without > supervision. the archive is

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-21 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 01:21:41AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote: > That might be possible with DPAs and if upload management is changed > generally to get less "broken" packages into unstable. E.g. What problem are you trying to solve? What percentage of packages is currently broken? Please speci

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive

2013-05-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Tollef, On Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > I am absolutly in favor of doing this, but this either needs (more > > hardware) ressources or is non-trivial. Still, I'm all for it and happy > > to help. > While we of course don't have infinite hardware resources, we generally > h

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-21 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 01:21:41AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote: > That might be possible with DPAs and if upload management is changed > generally to get less "broken" packages into unstable. E.g. I think that most of the ideas you presented are very useful and other responses have (silently) ex

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive

2013-05-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Holger Levsen > I am absolutly in favor of doing this, but this either needs (more hardware) > ressources or is non-trivial. Still, I'm all for it and happy to help. While we of course don't have infinite hardware resources, we generally have spare capacity and I'd like people to at least ta

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-20 Thread Andreas Beckmann
On 2013-05-21 02:14, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 01:21:41AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote: > > [...] > >> >> and requests migration to sid (via >> dcut-ng-ng migrate --to sid DPA://anbe/foo-bar) > > what's dcut-ng-ng ? Something hypothetical ... > It's my plan to add su

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-20 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 01:21:41AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote: [...] > > and requests migration to sid (via > dcut-ng-ng migrate --to sid DPA://anbe/foo-bar) what's dcut-ng-ng ? dcut(1) from src:dput-ng is actually pretty easy to modify. Feel free to contribute[1] patches to play with new

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-20 Thread Andreas Beckmann
On 2013-05-20 23:54, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Montag, 20. Mai 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: >> I vaguely remember this statement from about one year (+/-x). I wonder >> what would it help if everybody *should* but does not? If it should be >> done on any upload anyway (and close to nobody

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-20 Thread Ondřej Surý
JFTR I would be more than happy to donate hardware, hosting and connectivity to Debian Project for automating piuparts checks before entering the archive. Ondrej. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Montag, 20. Mai 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: >> I vaguely remember

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-20 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 20. Mai 2013, Andreas Tille wrote: > I vaguely remember this statement from about one year (+/-x). I wonder > what would it help if everybody *should* but does not? If it should be > done on any upload anyway (and close to nobody is really doing it) why > not automating this step?

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-20 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Holger, On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:01:40PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > 2. I would like to see these tests to be run BEFORE the package enters > > the archive, and failures would prevent the package to enter. > > very DD and DM should run piuparts before uploading. I vaguely remember t

Re: Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-20 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Ondřej, On Montag, 20. Mai 2013, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Nope, I know about piuparts, but: > > 1. some packages and some transitions are more complicated. Bundle > db4.7->db5.3 transition with cyrus-imapd-2.2->cyrus-imapd-2.4 and I am > quite sure that "installation in sid" is not enough. do yo

Automated piuparts when entering the archive (Was: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay))

2013-05-19 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: > >> So apart from the more hands on some packages with high priority, it >> would really help me to have some automated tests which would be run >> before uploading to testing. >> >> One thing