On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 08:13:59AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:55:40AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit :
> >
> > Given how much uproar there is about Microsoft's desire to retire
> > Windows XP while many people would rather stick with it that go to
> > Vista, perhaps
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:29:30AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 01:44:56AM +1300, Chris Bannister a écrit :
> >
> > Unfortunately, many people new to Debian/Linux get the impression that
> > testing is perfectly suitable for a desktop system.
>
> Maybe because they have
On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 11:31:44PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 02 April 2008 schrieb Chris Bannister:
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 03:16:48PM +0200, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:38:36 -0300
> > >
> > > Joel Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I think that
On Fri April 4 2008 02:54:16 Holger Levsen wrote:
> http://layer-acht.org/debian/xorg-etch-backports/
The people who create supplemental archives are much
appreciated. Nevertheless, one wonders if there is
anything that could be done to make them unnecessary.
For example, our Debian installation
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 03:35:21PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Thu April 3 2008 14:38:14 Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> >
> > http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf will solve that soon.
>
> Now that linux-image 2.6.24 has migrated from sid to lenny and will
> be included in EtchAndAHalf that helps a l
Hi,
On Friday 04 April 2008 00:35, Mike Bird wrote:
> for sid's xserver-xorg.* 7.3 which has not yet made it to lenny,
http://layer-acht.org/debian/xorg-etch-backports/
regards,
Holger
P.S.: If you wonder why there are no backports on bpo, please provide them.
pgp1ZSidIna9I.pgp
Desc
Le Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:55:40AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit :
>
> Given how much uproar there is about Microsoft's desire to retire
> Windows XP while many people would rather stick with it that go to
> Vista, perhaps the idea that everyone wants the latest and greatest is
> no longer true.
On Thu April 3 2008 14:38:14 Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> On 2008-04-03, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Stable is a poor solution for desktops because it doesn't support
> > recent hardware. For a long time now we've had to run Testing
> > mixed with the Unstable versions of xserver-xorg.
On 2008-04-03, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu April 3 2008 03:03:51 Matthew Johnson wrote:
>> On Thu Apr 03 11:54, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
>> > And stable is not fine for a desktop in general, because it has outdated
>> > packages which are not what a desktop user wants.
>>
>> _you_
On Thu April 3 2008 9:55:40 am Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:03:51AM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> > _you_ may want more up to date packages, but a lot of people are
> > entirely happy with etch on their desktop. For example, both me and my
> > mother.
> >
> > I'd also go a
On Thu April 3 2008 9:17:54 am Mike Bird wrote:
> On Thu April 3 2008 03:03:51 Matthew Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu Apr 03 11:54, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> > > And stable is not fine for a desktop in general, because it has
> > > outdated packages which are not what a desktop user wants.
> >
> > _you_
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Dave Holland wrote:
> Strange; I run stable at home, because if I spent 4 hours figuring out
> why X no longer works, my wife would kill me (a) for breaking X, and (b)
> for wasting 4 hours. ;-)
My wife would only be upset if I messed with her machine, or
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:55:40AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> I run unstable on my home machines, and stable on my work machines. At
> work I am trying to get things done, not play with my software. At home
> is different. I don't need to spend 4 hours figuring out why X no
> longer works
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:03:51AM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> _you_ may want more up to date packages, but a lot of people are
> entirely happy with etch on their desktop. For example, both me and my
> mother.
>
> I'd also go as far to say that most corporate Linux desktops, to pick
> another
On Thu April 3 2008 03:03:51 Matthew Johnson wrote:
> On Thu Apr 03 11:54, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> > And stable is not fine for a desktop in general, because it has outdated
> > packages which are not what a desktop user wants.
>
> _you_ may want more up to date packages, but a lot of people are
On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 15:16 +0200, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:38:36 -0300
> Joel Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think that the testing or above releases may be suitable for the
> > desktop of a EXPERT linux user. I need a stable release because my
> > desktop must
[Holger Levsen]
> But it is neither "feature"-supported nor security supported,
The testing security team is actually doing a very good job at
supporting testing, so this is not completely accurate.
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On Thu Apr 03 11:54, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> And stable is not fine for a desktop in general, because it has outdated
> packages which are not what a desktop user wants.
_you_ may want more up to date packages, but a lot of people are
entirely happy with etch on their desktop. For example, both
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:57:31 +0100
Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 03 April 2008 07:19, Anibal Avelar wrote:
> > Totally I agree. Testing is fine for a personal Desktop machine.
>
> I disagree.
>
> It's fine for some persons desktops, yes.
>
> But it is neither
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But it is ... nor security supported
Correction, it is supported by the testing security team, and rather well IMO.
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Hi,
On Thursday 03 April 2008 07:19, Anibal Avelar wrote:
> Totally I agree. Testing is fine for a personal Desktop machine.
I disagree.
It's fine for some persons desktops, yes.
But it is neither "feature"-supported nor security supported, if users have
problems they'll get "use stable if y
> It is not just people new to Debian/Linux who get that
> impression. I think testing is perfectly fine for a desktop system.
Totally I agree. Testing is fine for a personal Desktop machine.
> > If Debian wants to issue stronger warnings for those using Testing on
> > the desktop,
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:29:30 +0900, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Le Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 01:44:56AM +1300, Chris Bannister a écrit :
>>
>> Unfortunately, many people new to Debian/Linux get the impression
>> that testing is perfectly suitable for a desktop system.
> Maybe because t
Le Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 01:44:56AM +1300, Chris Bannister a écrit :
>
> Unfortunately, many people new to Debian/Linux get the impression that
> testing is perfectly suitable for a desktop system.
Maybe because they have read Debian's website?
"things should not break as badly as in unstable or
Am Mittwoch 02 April 2008 schrieb Chris Bannister:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 03:16:48PM +0200, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:38:36 -0300
> >
> > Joel Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I think that the testing or above releases may be suitable for the
> > > desktop of a EXP
On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 03:16:48PM +0200, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:38:36 -0300
> Joel Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think that the testing or above releases may be suitable for the
> > desktop of a EXPERT linux user. I need a stable release because my
> > desktop
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:38:36 -0300
Joel Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that the testing or above releases may be suitable for the
> desktop of a EXPERT linux user. I need a stable release because my
> desktop must simply to work; it is not a so critical system like a
> server but this
On Fri 28 Mar 08 13:27, Fernando Cerezal wrote:
>I have used testing for four years in my desktop without reinstall. Testing may
>be suitable for desktop.
>It has, only a few times, litle bugs, but a desktop is not a critical system.
>I remember an ubuntu update that remove the xorg configuration,
Thank you for the reply.
I will try Lenny on Dell. surely.
And also thank you for the mail ID - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was totally unaware of it.
Regards
Ravi Krishnan Unni
On 3/29/08, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi there,
>
> On Friday 28 March 2008 04:32:49 pm Unni wrote:
> > The la
hi there,
On Friday 28 March 2008 04:32:49 pm Unni wrote:
> The latest problem I am experiencing is that I have a recently
> purchased Dell Inspiron 1420 laptop and I tried installing debian etch
> in it. Most of the drivers were not detected like display, audio,
> modem etc. I tried posting my pr
Thank you for all those replies.. I am really excited to read those.
The latest problem I am experiencing is that I have a recently
purchased Dell Inspiron 1420 laptop and I tried installing debian etch
in it. Most of the drivers were not detected like display, audio,
modem etc. I tried posting my
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 09:02:49PM +0530, Unni wrote:
> Thank you for all those replies.. I am really excited to read those.
>
> The latest problem I am experiencing is that I have a recently
> purchased Dell Inspiron 1420 laptop and I tried installing debian etch
> in it. Most of the drivers were
2008/3/27, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On mer, 2008-03-26 at 08:35 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > Lenny is still only at linux kernel 2.6.22, which means little support
> > for hardware up to a year old! Sid is not suitable for most people,
> > and most people lack the skills or inclina
Le Wednesday 26 March 2008 16:35:51 Mike Bird, vous avez écrit :
> The next DPL should have a solid plan for reversing Debian's decline.
> If this means that some architectures fall by the wayside for lack of
> interest then so be it. Better to lose several 0.1% architectures
> than for Debian as
On mer, 2008-03-26 at 08:35 -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> Lenny is still only at linux kernel 2.6.22, which means little support
> for hardware up to a year old! Sid is not suitable for most people,
> and most people lack the skills or inclination to install and maintain
> a mix of Lenny and Sid.
Tes
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 08:35:51AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> The OP makes an important point. Debian is losing users and relevance.
> Although Debian supports a wider range of architectures than Ubuntu,
> the reality is that Debian now targets a much narrower audience - the
> "old hardware crowd".
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Charles Plessy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Le Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 08:35:51AM -0700, Mike Bird a écrit :
>
> >
> > Debian is losing users and relevance.
>
> This does not match the results of the "popcon" survey. It could be
> that Debian would gain
Hello,
Le Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 08:35:51AM -0700, Mike Bird a écrit :
>
> Debian is losing users and relevance.
This does not match the results of the "popcon" survey. It could be
that Debian would gain users slower than other distributions, but this
claim would need to be backed by a serious stu
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 08:35:51AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Wed March 26 2008 05:51:32 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:32:33PM +0530, Unni wrote:
> > > Why the debian can be more interesting? More graphics, more drivers etc.
> > > I think this can be done without a big
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:20:00PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>
> [Roberto C. Sánchez]
>
> > Alternatively, since Debian is an all-volunteer project you can feel
> > free to volunteer to contribute the necessary changes.
>
> We definitely need more hands to work on the tasks in Debian, bu
Why would i have to put up with graphics when i run Debian on servers?
I'd have to remove stuff, came Debian default with those. I prefer to
add things when needed, rather than the opposite way. Debian is not
only targetted at Desktop users. Ubuntu is, as far i can judge.
Also, I don't feel uncomfo
[Roberto C. Sánchez]
> Debian is targeted at a much wider audience using a much greater
> variety of hardware in a great many more configurations. Many of
> those people have no need or desire for the features you describe.
And quite a lot of us Debian users have a need an desire of the
features
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Ubuntu does seem to try harder to make auto detection of x86 hardware
work well, while Debian tries to make sure all architectures work well,
although given the scope of all that hardware, it may not be quite as
automatic.
To be honest: I see no rea
On Wed March 26 2008 05:51:32 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:32:33PM +0530, Unni wrote:
> > Why the debian can be more interesting? More graphics, more drivers etc.
> > I think this can be done without a big effort ( correct me if I am
> > wrong). I suggest to make this cha
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:32:33PM +0530, Unni wrote:
> I have been using debian for the last 2 years. ( i was unaware of linux b4
> that)
> I installed debian etch in many machines with varying configurations. Most
> of the time I was only able to install the base system with no sound, poor
> reso
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:32:33PM +0530, Unni wrote:
> I have been using debian for the last 2 years. ( i was unaware of linux b4
> that)
> I installed debian etch in many machines with varying configurations. Most
> of the time I was only able to install the base system with no sound, poor
> reso
I have been using debian for the last 2 years. ( i was unaware of linux b4
that)
I installed debian etch in many machines with varying configurations. Most
of the time I was only able to install the base system with no sound, poor
resolution, no video etc. This was especially in laptops.
Recently I
--On Tue, May 5, 1998 5:52 pm -0700 "G John Lapeyre"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> This is a great idea.Sysadmins can't keep up with the needs of
> an experienced user.
> I am almost sure dpkg won't do this now. There will be all sorts
> of problems with locations of files.
This is a great idea.Sysadmins can't keep up with the needs of
an experienced user.
I am almost sure dpkg won't do this now. There will be all sorts
of problems with locations of files. To make sure every package
supports this would add complexity and burden.
We coul
I don't know if this has been discussed here before.
Is it possible for a non privileged user to use dpkg to install a package
under the user's home directory? I know this kind of installation is not
perfect. But sometimes it is helpful. What are the pros and cons of this
kind of an approach?
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