On 12/29/08 03:55, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
gregor herrmann wrote / napísal(a):
Maybe you missed the "old enough" in Lisi's mail.
In Austria for example equal rights between man and woman in a
marriage exist only since 1975.
Cf. http://www.demokratiezentrum.org/media/pdf/info_familienrecht.pdf
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* Noah Slater [Mon, Dec 29 2008, 10:13:10AM]:
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:55:54AM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> > There are many things people did and do wrong. Enslaving anyone if bad.
> > Irrespectedly of gender. However, the feminism of its current shape, in
> > countries where no di
Le Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:10:51AM +, Noah Slater a écrit :
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> [citation needed]
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Hi all,
while I can not tell for debian-women, I would like to stress out that for
debian-devel, what is needed is not citations but the e
On Monday 29 December 2008 21:26, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > It is anecdotal gender profiling that causes women and men to choose
> > certain paths through life in the first place, and is hence one of the
> > root causes of the very problem we're trying to solve.
>
> Interesting discussion. But as N
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:10:51AM +, Noah Slater wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:39:50AM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> > For me, the answer is quite simple. The computing is almost technical
> > industry, and therefore it is naturally more suitable for men, who are
> > naturally strog in
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:55:54AM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> There are many things people did and do wrong. Enslaving anyone if bad.
> Irrespectedly of gender. However, the feminism of its current shape, in
> countries where no discrimination is pushed on women, is making the same
> mistake, j
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:39:50AM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> For me, the answer is quite simple. The computing is almost technical
> industry, and therefore it is naturally more suitable for men, who are
> naturally strog in technical thinking and achieving the task milestones.
> Just like the
gregor herrmann wrote / napísal(a):
Maybe you missed the "old enough" in Lisi's mail.
In Austria for example equal rights between man and woman in a
marriage exist only since 1975.
Cf. http://www.demokratiezentrum.org/media/pdf/info_familienrecht.pdf
Well, I've heard, that formally, a slavery
Amaya wrote / napísal(a):
By creating Debian Women, we are sending out the message that it is
definitely ok to be a female and and a geek, and we aim to create
visibility for those female users, developers, contributors... so that
they can serve as 'role models', or inspiration for other males
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 02:31:16PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 09:04:24PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > Bummer, please stop that bullshit. I don't know your origin, but Lisi
> > Reisz doesn't sound like an Arabic, nor Indian, nor African name, so
> > probably your ma
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 09:04:24PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> I didn't get the original email of Lisi because it was not sent to d-d.
>
> > 2008/12/28 Lisi Reisz :
> > > this topic is idiotic. For those of us who are old enough to have
> > > been officially and by law down-moted to second cl
2008/12/28 Amaya :
> Всеволод Величко wrote:
>> If you're sending something to d-d, be ready that d-d have other
>> rules, than d-w.
>
> As in we will not tolerate your girly crap here?
> I dare you to threaten me or any other female again!
No, just this list is dedicated to Debian development, no
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:04:24 +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > 2008/12/28 Lisi Reisz :
> > > this topic is idiotic. For those of us who are old enough to have
^^
> > > been officially and by law down-moted to second class citizenship
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 09:04:24PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Bummer, please stop that bullshit. I don't know your origin, but Lisi
> Reisz doesn't sound like an Arabic, nor Indian, nor African name, so
> probably your marriage was not arranged.
> If it was indeed, sorry for the "bullshit" a
I didn't get the original email of Lisi because it was not sent to d-d.
> 2008/12/28 Lisi Reisz :
> > this topic is idiotic. For those of us who are old enough to have
> > been officially and by law down-moted to second class citizenship when
> > we married; by law lumped in with children, and no
Всеволод Величко wrote:
> That message has been carbon-copied to debian-devel list. I'm not
> reading debian-women list. You think, this discussion should take
> place in d-d? I'm not sure.
That was a honest mistake. I did not realize I was replying to a
cross-post.
> If you're sending something
Hello.
2008/12/28 Russell Coker :
> On Sunday 28 December 2008 12:30, "Всеволод Величко"
> wrote:
> Did Lisi's message go to the debian-devel list? If so I didn't receive it.
>
> Maybe she sent a message to d-w and CC'd you as a courtesy.
Emm, sorry, you probably misunderstood me. Initial messa
On Sunday 28 December 2008 12:30, "Всеволод Величко"
wrote:
> That message has been carbon-copied to debian-devel list. I'm not
> reading debian-women list. You think, this discussion should take
> place in d-d? I'm not sure.
Did Lisi's message go to the debian-devel list? If so I didn't receiv
Hello.
2008/12/28 Lisi Reisz :
> You would appear to be a man. If that is inaccurate, I apologise.
>
> But this is, as you point out, a _women's_ list. We have a right to
> discus what we choose to discuss. But I refute your allegation that
> this topic is idiotic. For those of us who are old
This one time, at band camp, Michael D. Norwick said:
> Amaya wrote:
> >Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> >
> > > Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community,
> > > although I don't fully understand their effort to maintain a
> > > special "Debian Women" community. There is no "Debian Men"
> >
Amaya wrote:
Peter Tuhársky wrote:
Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I
don't fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian
Women" community. There is no "Debian Men" community I know of, and
Oh! Wait! What about the men!
I think you lac
On Sunday 28 December 2008 08:06, "Всеволод Величко"
wrote:
> > You are right, the images there might be offensive to you as a man.
> > I am not sorry for that, sorry :)
>
> Excuse me, you are against sexism, but what you mention is the same -
> from the opposite side. That's the same "women's" s
On Sunday 28 December 2008 09:24, "Sam Kuper" wrote:
> I think that if a Debian developer posted an off-topic message to the
> mailing list in which people from Saint Helena were talked about in a
> derogatory fashion, it would be reasonable for that to be regarded as
> discriminatory, especially
2008/12/27 Всеволод Величко :
> 2008/12/27 Amaya :
>> When I reflected upon my need for approval, I also found my answer to
>> the one million dollars question: Why are there so few women in
>> computing?
>> For me, the patriachy is an acceptable answer. Find your own, it is an
>> enlightment trip,
2008/12/27 Всеволод Величко :
> Excuse me, you are against sexism, but what you mention is the same -
> from the opposite side. That's the same "women's" sexism. If we should
> respect women's rights, may be women should do the same? Otherwise it
> looks very childish, sorry.
Something a lot of pe
Sorry me, community, I've missed first messages in the thread firstly.
I also hope, that this idiotic discussion will be closed soon.
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Hello.
2008/12/27 Amaya :
> When I reflected upon my need for approval, I also found my answer to
> the one million dollars question: Why are there so few women in
> computing?
> For me, the patriachy is an acceptable answer. Find your own, it is an
> enlightment trip, and you do not need to aome
Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> Saying that, I'm glad there are women in Debian community, although I
> don't fully understand their effort to maintain a special "Debian
> Women" community. There is no "Debian Men" community I know of, and
Oh! Wait! What about the men!
I think you lack some perspective.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:57:28PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> I agree with the OP, that was not trolling, that was just getting things
> straight.
Please explain how this has anything to do with Debian development; in
private preferably, so we can close this absurd thread now.
Michael
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On Mo, 22 Dez 2008, Noah Slater wrote:
> > > Troll. Troll. Troll.
> >
> > I hope that's not referring to John's email.
>
> Are you kidding?
I agree with the OP, that was not trolling, that was just getting things
straight. Women are also sexists, often!
Best wishes
Norbert
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:01:04PM +0100, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
> Amayita
[snip]
> american social identity problems.
FAIL.
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Peter Tuhársky dijo [Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:01:04PM +0100]:
>
> As of the overwhelming reaction to the mail, I can partially
> understand the reaction, when I look at Amayita website.
Ok... This is just one more evidence of the trollness of this
thread. Do you have an issue with Amaya? Many peopl
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Peter Tuhársky wrote:
I fully agree. And I don't like anyone to insult others, NO MATTER THE
GENDER!
I think there was just a troll alarm and there is no need to further blur
debian-devel list. If anybody fails to give a clear reason why his mail
is relevant for debian-de
> I am not a dev or woman but I believe that sexism,racism and any other
> ism you want to add is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly and
> swiftly.
I fully agree. And I don't like anyone to insult others, NO MATTER THE
GENDER!
I have read the "incriminating" mail and I don't found anyt
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:59:30AM +, Sam Kuper wrote:
> 2008/12/22 Noah Slater :
> > Troll. Troll. Troll.
>
> I hope that's not referring to John's email.
Are you kidding?
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:36:05PM -0500, John Wiggles wrote:
> I am not a dev or woman but I believe that sexism,racism
2008/12/22 Noah Slater :
> Troll. Troll. Troll.
I hope that's not referring to John's email.
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I am not a dev or woman but I believe that sexism,racism and any other ism
you want to add is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly and swiftly.
Shame on the Debian Project leaders for not coming out against these people
who think that making jokes that degrade,insult and basically hurt the
fe
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