Re: [RFC] DEP-6: Meta-Package debian/control field

2009-12-23 Thread Joe Smith
Joe Smith wrote: Counter proposal: New meta-package Boolean field. Meta-packages would normally have few or no Depends, being almost completely recommends. Recommends (perhaps also Depends) of meta-packages are not marked as automatically installed. The usefulness of this part of my

Re: [RFC] DEP-6: Meta-Package debian/control field

2009-12-23 Thread Joe Smith
"David Paleino" wrote in message news:16193268.79mvg96...@home.hanskalabs.net... Hello people, per the DEP process described at http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep0/, this is the first call for comments on this proposal. Title: Meta-Package debian/control field DEP: 6 State: D

Re: Should ucf be of priority required?

2009-12-13 Thread Joe Smith
"Manoj Srivastava" wrote in message news:87my1uhtb7@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com... On Mon, Dec 07 2009, Joe Smith wrote: The net result here is that ucf may be keeping excess state related to package foo. But it is not. ucf knows well that when it is reinstalled

Re: Should ucf be of priority required?

2009-12-07 Thread Joe Smith
I suspect Patrick might be worried about a scenario like the following. Lets assume there is a package Foo that depends on and uses ucf. Further the package is the only one ucing UCF on the system. At some point the admin decides to remove Foo. Since there are no other packages that use ucf o

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-03 Thread Joe Smith
"Piotr Ożarowski" wrote in message news:20091203235820.gf6...@piotro.eu... Right now we're working on updating the Debian Python Policy. Once we'll be happy with the first set of patches, we'll send them to debian-python mailing list. I don't see a reason to make it public right now as it's si

Re: Bug#538202: ITP: virt-what -- detect if we are running in a virtual machine

2009-07-25 Thread Joe Smith
"Manoj Srivastava" wrote: Virt-what is more accurate than Imvirt, version 1.0 can tell the difference between Xen Dom0 and DomU. The new version (1.1, released on 23 july 2009) can tell the difference between QEMU and KVM, and can tell if you are running inside a Xen fullvirt guest. Th

Re: Linux-libre for Debian Lenny

2009-04-29 Thread Joe Smith
"Mark Brown" wrote in message news:20090427092413.ga1...@sirena.org.uk... On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:48:27AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:41 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > #494120 and #494122. [...] I disagree with these as the tables in question are easily small

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

2009-03-04 Thread Joe Smith
Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 03 Mar 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: I've got to wondering: are the large -dbg packages actually really useful to anybody? Thoughts? I think they are useful, but probably not for the vast majority of users. [I've used them on a few dozen occasions.] What I really

Re: Override changes standard -> optional

2008-12-31 Thread Joe Smith
Joerg Jaspert wrote: finger It's been a while since I've seen a useful finger server, I think it's fine to drop this too. db.debian.org, but that doesnt need it standard. For what it's worth finger's local features are still important. I've recently seen a professor explain to a class o

Re: Hardware compatibility test: draft proposal

2008-08-22 Thread Joe Smith
"Giacomo Catenazzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi, As I mentioned in my blog[1], I kindof like the suggestion that Bdale Yes, I find the talk very interesting. So, after more than twelve hours of boredom on an airplane and half a nig

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-14 Thread Joe Smith
"Brian May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Smith wrote: However, if the security updates come from trusted security mirrors rather than a general mirror, that attack would fail too. So with the exception of Sid or Testing users that do not

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-12 Thread Joe Smith
Andrei Popescu gmail.com> writes: > How about distributing the Release files *only* from a trusted server? > > Regards, > Andrei That is problematic, as it does not deal with mirror synchronization properly. If a mirror takes a few hours to update, it's Packages files may not be up to date duri

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Joe Smith
Florian Weimer deneb.enyo.de> writes: > > * Ron Johnson: > > > http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html > > > > What are people's thoughts on this? > > HTTPS doesn't help against non-trusted mirrors. > > The difficult question is how to t

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-02 Thread Joe Smith
"Marvin Renich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080701 20:45]: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> I mean the pending-write case is the most obvious. But what about >> resolver >> caches, VPNs and the like? > > What

Re: Generating debian package using cmake (take 2)

2008-06-26 Thread Joe Smith
"Mathieu Malaterre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > THANK YOU ! So far I only had FUDs about: 'no this is impossible, 'this is not the right way'. Thanks for taking the time to answer in detail, this much more supportive. I finally understood the previous aggressive answers, I was simply looking at

Re: Handling macro change in an exported library header

2008-06-26 Thread Joe Smith
"Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Nikita Youshchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080626 11:51]: To fix #486693, I need to apply a patch that changes #define'd macro in an exported library header. The pattern is: extern int foo(char *param1, int param2

Re: Large data packages in the archive

2008-05-31 Thread Joe Smith
"Joerg Jaspert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] c.) We can host an own archive for it under control of ftpmaster. [snip] So the way to go for us seems to be c.), hosting the archive ourself (somewhere below data.debian.org probably). [snip] A data.d.o would presumably be running on a debian

Re: triggers wishlist

2008-04-02 Thread Joe Smith
"Michael Biebl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess Joss is right here. triggers tell you *if* something has changed >(in a subdirectory), but not *what*. Remember, that we have to call gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/$subdir for the directory that has c

Re: best package for windows Vista

2008-03-19 Thread Joe Smith
"Jonathan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I was not sure if the image for Debian 4.0 downloaded completely. This is why I feel >obliged to order it. I will be using Debian for GrADS and for compiling FORTRAN >code. Can I get some recommendations f

Re: How to install Suggested (Was: Are all recommended modules equally important?)

2008-03-19 Thread Joe Smith
"Andreas Tille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: So you do something like: apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests=true install foo; or similar. [Though it probably should be an easier option, it is possible to do.] Well, this

Re: dpkg-buildpackage now reorganizing debian/control Depends field??

2008-02-24 Thread Joe Smith
"David Paleino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Il giorno Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:04:52 -0300 Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: As I said, for APT, the order has meaning _always_. apt-get install foo bar Is completely different of apt-get install bar f

Re: The 30 most popular packages missing in Debian

2008-01-29 Thread Joe Smith
"Sebastian Pipping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Would non-free be an option to all or some of them? Do we have binary only packages in Debian? My understanding is that it is possible to have binary-only packages in non-free, although I really don't know an

Re: Is a free document whose sources have been lost free?

2008-01-27 Thread Joe Smith
"Charles Plessy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Le Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:35:16PM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit : Unless the pdf is exceptionally complicated, it's not all that difficult to resurect LaTeX that does a similar job; it'd probably be ideal to do this a

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project -input needed)

2008-01-26 Thread Joe Smith
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Michael Banck wrote: And there I thought we'd use whatever we like until wig&pen lands, which will have native patch support. What's the status of that? Is my assumption bad? Not completely, I'm following the discussion closely

Re: netconf control socket protocol: rfc822, xml-rpc, or dbus

2008-01-09 Thread Joe Smith
"Pierre Habouzit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well that wasn't what I understood, but I'm really not a D-Bus expert at all :) Though it doesn't makes sense to let the D-Bus connector be a separated component as you then only pull the library which is of a reasona

Re: netconf control socket protocol: rfc822, xml-rpc, or dbus

2008-01-09 Thread Joe Smith
"Pierre Habouzit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's wrong, and XML-RPC *SUCKS*, as does most of the text-only interfaces, when you want real-time events. DBus isn't such a bad way to do things, it doesn't requires the daemon up and running to interact with netc

Re: Bug#458819: ITP: nettee -- a network "tee" program

2008-01-08 Thread Joe Smith
"Joel Franco" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HEY SPONSORS.. PLEASE LOOK NETTEE :) I'm guessing that sponsors are waiting for your acknowledgment and correction of the issues mentioned in http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2008/01/msg00034.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [E

Re: Re: Bug#458819: ITP: nettee -- a network "tee" program

2008-01-07 Thread Joe Smith
"Joel Franco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - simplicity: like you already said, the simple command, without complex pipe setups like showed in your example comments. You have to agree with me that that netcat + tee pipe commands are not trivial. If I had known

Re: Faster shutdown and the ubuntu "multiuser" update-rc.dextention

2008-01-04 Thread Joe Smith
"Josselin Mouette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ubuntu discovered this a while back, and introduced a method to avoid calling stop scripts in runlevel 0 and 6. It is the "multiuser" extension to update-rc.d, and in Ubuntu packages are changed to calls dh_installi

Re: Faster shutdown and the ubuntu "multiuser" update-rc.d extention

2008-01-04 Thread Joe Smith
"Petter Reinholdtsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Joe Smith] Obviously removing those scripts should have no impact on the other initscripts. Exactly, (unless there is a dependency relation between two scripts and one of them is removed f

Re: Bug#458819: ITP: nettee -- a network "tee" program

2008-01-03 Thread Joe Smith
"Joel Franco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joel Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: nettee Version : 0.1.8 Upstream Author : David Mathog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://saf.bio.caltech.

Re: Faster shutdown and the ubuntu "multiuser" update-rc.d extention

2008-01-03 Thread Joe Smith
"Petter Reinholdtsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Roger Leigh] On a heavily loaded or slow system, I suspect it would be highly likely some would get SIGKILL before they could shut down properly. I can't say I'm a big fan of the proposal for this reason. I d

Re: Bug#455730: ITP: lua-peg -- Parsing Expression Grammars For Lua

2007-12-13 Thread Joe Smith
"Enrico Tassi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:39:43AM +0100, Enrico Tassi wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 04:17:48PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: If you are inpatient, or want to test it before it passes the new queue, Oops, I've just disc

Re: Menu categories

2007-10-24 Thread Joe Smith
"Sune Vuorela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2007-10-21, Ben Goodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --=_Part_8909_32361462.1192962485303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 21/10/2007, Sune Vuo

Re: Enabling and installing of "risky" ("patented") codecs - madeeasy

2007-10-19 Thread Joe Smith
"Clint Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 08:11:13PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: How about just using non-free for that? In the past, patented packages like gif encoders have been hosted there, so why can't we just use them for mpeg en

Re: Installation of Recommends by default on October 1st

2007-08-03 Thread Joe Smith
"Julien BLACHE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've read that but I didn't take it into account because people google for docs and they will find documentation recommending apt-get (they usually won't notice if the doc

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-18 Thread Joe Smith
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Don Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So it seems like we should do the following: 1. Make changes to the menu system to use .desktop files in pre

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-17 Thread Joe Smith
"Don Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So it seems like we should do the following: 1. Make changes to the menu system to use .desktop files in preference to .menu files when they exist 2. Generate .desktop files from .menu files using the menu system when

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-17 Thread Joe Smith
"Michael Vogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Friends, I plan to do an apt 0.7.2 upload for sid this weekend. It's a big merge of the version in debian/experimental and the version in Ubuntu. It will break the ABI, so all packages that depend on libapt will n

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Smith
"Joerg Jaspert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10927 March 1977, Mark Purcell wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way that we avoid sending out such mails to active pe

Re: KDE and Gnome panel applets showing percentage of broken packages

2006-12-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Frans Pop" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 05 December 2006 22:25, Berke Durak wrote: I will just say that in my opinion, a repository such as stable, testing or unstable should be self-contained. For stable and testing that is true. However, sid is broken by design as it

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-12 Thread Joe Smith
"Jeremy Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 09:14:19AM +0200, Mario Iseli wrote: Ok, this is a good argument. I think the oppinion is more or less clear: Some people think it would be a nice idea, BUT it can be also a problem because so

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-09-02 Thread Joe Smith
"Wouter Verhelst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:51AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: "Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depend

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Joe Smith
"Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which > technically does not permit

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Ben Pfaff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No problem at all. Especially with gmane.org around. I used to subscribe to dozens of mailing lists, but now I can just browse all of them as newsgroups. I agree, I use Gm

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Joe Smith
"Goswin von Brederlow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for serious work. That's a bold statement. -- c

Re: Place to submit scripts useful for Debian

2006-07-25 Thread Joe Smith
"Daniel Dickinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I intend to do an update-menu thing that calls 'fburn --gui', which makes for a somewhat friendly interface from a window manager menu or icon. Also it doesn't just blast out the image and hope it's okay; unle

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Smith
"Manoj Srivastava" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see you have not fully followed through on reading policy here: ,[ § 7.2 ] | In case of circular dependencies, since installation or removal order | honoring the dependency order can't be established, dependency loops |

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Smith
"Manoj Srivastava" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:09:56 -0400, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Well, strictly speaking all circular dependencies could be considered a policy violation because they depend on dpkg

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Smith
"Ian Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Allombert writes ("Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5"): Here the list of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by maintainers. Didn't we already have the conversation where we explained t

Re: Getting the buildds to notice new architectures in a package

2006-07-17 Thread Joe Smith
"Wouter Verhelst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 10:55:32PM +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: Where should I ask for help? Neither buildd.debian.org nor www.debian.org/devel/buildd, mention where the buildd admins can be reached; and lists.debia

Re: Bug#376588: ITP: cryptomount -- a utility for accessing encrypted filesystems

2006-07-04 Thread Joe Smith
"Baruch Even" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org AIUI, there is no need to CC debian-devel with ITP's, as debian-devel normally gets them anyway.

Re: #195752: Can somebody mark this bug as grave or critical?

2006-07-01 Thread Joe Smith
"Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] severity 195752 important thanks On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 08:43:57PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: But yeah, I'm not in an official position to say, but if this isn't considered a "critical" or at least "grave"

Re: Debian mactel linux support?

2006-06-29 Thread Joe Smith
"Junichi Uekawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I don't quite grok how I can make erfit be the default bootloader > without access to MacOSX command-line to 'bless', I hope I can find > out as I delve deeper. You can't. Intel Mac blessing is different to traditio

Re: These new diffs are great, but...

2006-06-29 Thread Joe Smith
"Bastian Venthur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Lemmen wrote: standard method. you will however find out that the size of all diffs together is already less than the size of the regular packages file. Yeah, looking at the average filesize of a diff compa

Re: Is OSS only support to be considered a bug?

2006-06-26 Thread Joe Smith
"Preben Randhol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:35:19 +0200 Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 09:20:34PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: > With the 2.6 kernel programs using OSS for sound are not working > anymo

Re: new tar behavior and --wildcards

2006-06-26 Thread Joe Smith
"Petr Vandrovec" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Since this seems to have been an intentional behavior change by upstream to better align with a published standard, I'm uninclined to fight it, and think our best response is to update our utilities to include the --wildcards option, with

Re: cgiirc Hijacking

2006-06-20 Thread Joe Smith
"Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 01:18:11PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: In cases where a security bug is being fixed, you usually try to upload the package as soon as possible. If your sponsor is on We did

Re: Bug#374373: ITP: googleearth-package -- utility for automatically building a Google Earth Debian package

2006-06-19 Thread Joe Smith
"Wesley J. Landaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Smith wrote: Is this really needed? Google was very careful in making sure that the package installs in /usr/local, and does not interfere with the system. Normally the main reason why a d

Re: Bug#374373: ITP: googleearth-package -- utility for automatically building a Google Earth Debian package

2006-06-19 Thread Joe Smith
"Nikita V. Youshchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I agree that it's ok to trust installer source that they will not install a backdoor into your system. However, chances that they will write to directories that should be under control of package manager, o

Re: Bug#374373: ITP: googleearth-package -- utility for automatically building a Google Earth Debian package

2006-06-18 Thread Joe Smith
"Wesley J. Landaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Wesley J. Landaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: googleearth-package Upstream Author : Wesley J. Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : (native packag

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-12 Thread Joe Smith
"Ian Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeremy Hankins writes ("Non-DD's in debian-legal"): I'm not sure I understand this part, though. Do you think that folks like myself, who are not DD's, should not participate in the discussions on d-l? Actually, I thi

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Joe Smith
"Martijn van Oosterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/7/06, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Sure. SPI owns many of the machines that Debian owns. If any o

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Joe Smith
"Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Claiming that what Martin did was good since he was showing something useful for our community is equivalent to saying it was a "red team attack". Nobody used that term explicitly probably because t

Re: Please revoke your signatures from MartinKraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Joe Smith
"David Moreno Garza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Luca Capello wrote: As a side note, while my passport was valid (re-newed the day before leaving for Mexico because I forgot it was expired after 5 years and not 10), I didn't get any Mexican seal when I arrived a

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-11 Thread Joe Smith
"Daniel Ruoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em Qui, 2006-05-11 às 09:56 +0200, Gabor Gombas escreveu: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 03:33:45PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > Why would that not fly? > Both versions of the arch-independent package could be installed a

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-11 Thread Joe Smith
"Adam Borowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 04:49:26PM -0400, Joe Smith wrote: On the other hand, if we continue that thought process we could end up with all headers and libraries in /usr/share/, which is absurd. Why?

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-11 Thread Joe Smith
"Matt Taggart and others" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi debian-devel, For a couple years now a few of us have been talking about an idea called "multiarch". This is a way to seamlessly allow support for multiple different binary targets on the same system, for

Re: patching a package?

2006-05-09 Thread Joe Smith
"Lionel Elie Mamane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get source ${PACKAGE} cp -R ${PACKAGE}-${VERSION} ${PACKAGE}-${VERSION}.pristine-deb cd ${PACKAGE}-${VERSION} # hack away cd .. diff --recursive -u ${PACKAGE}-${VERSION}.pristine-deb ${PACKAGE}-${VERSION} > d

Re: Debian Policy version

2006-05-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Raphael Hertzog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems to me that it is unreasonable for the PTS to be updated before the policy package actually hits the mirrors. There is a period of time after a package leaves incomming but before the mirrors are updated when

Re: Debian Policy version

2006-05-04 Thread Joe Smith
"Frank Küster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, version 3.7.2.0 is neither in unstable nor at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ Both only have version 3.7.1.0. How comes that the PTS has a newer version th

Re: Compiling packages for the standard distribution with -Os instead of -O2

2006-05-04 Thread Joe Smith
"Rogério Brito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there. I think that this may be interesting to anybody that has to work with computers that are not the latest/more recent as most people in richer countries seem to have. It seems to be that a good amount of peopl

Re: python-minimal

2006-04-30 Thread Joe Smith
"Steve Langasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:00:53PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: The alsa-utils package depends on python-minimal. As a result, I must now have two versions of python installed. That's a bug. alsa-utils should de

Re: python-minimal

2006-04-30 Thread Joe Smith
"Steve Langasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:32:52PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Seems to me that this should be at least a bug report on alsa-utils. > I'm surprised that there would be a

Re: [Help] Versioning of a library

2006-04-22 Thread Joe Smith
"Andreas Tille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I'm the maintainer of libgtkdatabox-0.2.3.0-0. Until now there was no request for an update of the upstream version and I had personal reasons to stay with an outdated version. Now I was asked to package the late

Re: No insulting messages?

2006-03-16 Thread Joe Smith
"Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, will use that nexty time. I don't know if native speaker realise this, because many non-native speaker seem to have a fluent english, but there are times when the right words just don't come, and you are graspin

Re: Fonts packages maintenance team (second) proposal

2006-03-08 Thread Joe Smith
"Rene Engelhard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enforcing this policy to existing font packages is not in the top priority of the team. What is a policy useful for when most packages are not following it? I think if there's a sane policy people should have to mi

Re: New packages.debian.org

2006-03-06 Thread Joe Smith
"Henrique de Moraes Holschuh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 06 Mar 2006, Martin Schulze wrote: Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: > Am Montag, 6. März 2006 18:29 schrieb Martin Schulze: > > The Debian project happily announces the re-availability of the > > packages.

Re: acceptance of morse-2.1 in unstable

2006-03-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Jeroen van Wolffelaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 07:42:12PM +0100, Joop PG4I wrote: I have uploaded morse-2.1 about 2 weeks ago. Nothing heard if it will get accepted or not. Wondering what is going on Is ftp-master overlo

Re: Propose exim4 for debian-volatile (Was: exim4_4.50-8sarge1)

2006-03-05 Thread Joe Smith
sorry, but i disagree with you on that. For me volatile is handling packages with volatile data, not for handling packages the stable release manager denys to take into a stable release. I've not followed this bug but AIUI SRM has approved the package for the next point release. If the bug i

Re: buildd and experimental

2006-03-02 Thread Joe Smith
"MJ Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MFT is broken by design. No-one should expect to remote control other people's mail clients. All one can do is ask and if you want to ask in the headers, fine, but don't go flaming when it gets lost in the noise. All of From

Re: /lib/modules//volatile on tmpfs

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Smith
"Sergio Callegari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have this directory on an Ubuntu system and it seems to be present on recent Debian systems too... It is on tmpfs. Can anybody tell me what is its purpose (as many other distros don't have it) and when it gets moun

Re: Mirror split, amd64 update

2006-02-27 Thread Joe Smith
"Philip Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have built up a fine-grained mirroring script over time which not only selects the architecture but also the version (stable, testing etc) to be mirrored. Unfortunately this script will require ftp/http access to ..

Re: Bug#353381: ITP: freebsd-manpages -- Manual pages for a GNU/kFreeBSD system

2006-02-18 Thread Joe Smith
Sorry to change the topic, but looking at some of the manpages in the "manpages" package, and some of the pages in the "manpages-dev" causes me no notice some pages that look like they probably should be in a different package. ld-linux(8) ld-linux.so(8) These probably belong in libc6 which ap

Re: Deadline for amendments to the GR

2006-02-14 Thread Joe Smith
"Manoj Srivastava" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you do not know what GR's are currently open (despite mails on -announce about them), asnd do not know how to simply look it up on vote.debian.org, the subject matter is irrelevent to you anyway.

Re: copyright law vs. license text (Was: Honesty in Debian)

2006-02-14 Thread Joe Smith
"Stuart Yeates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the USA copyright can be enforced even on laws: http://www.constructionweblinks.com/Resources/Industry_Reports__Newsletters/May_17_2004/supreme.html I'm assuming that the legislation in question included the code

Re: Provides: scheme-interpreter

2006-02-11 Thread Joe Smith
"Florian Weimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Chad Walstrom: I'm trying to package up tex2page and noticed that there is no virtual package for scheme-interpreter. I would like to specify in the "Depends:" that some sort of scheme-interpreter is required inst

Re: returning emeritus developer, no response from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2006-01-27 Thread Joe Smith
"Adeodato Simó" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Can we please fast-track this clairvoyant NM? Umm... I belive that is the policy. He needs to have his email read, and then answer a few questions. The process for returning emeritus Developers is intentionaly much

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-10 Thread Joe Smith
"Joey Hess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> debconf debconf-english debconf-i18n These are all necessary, and debconf is an essential package which is not subject to the circular dependency postinst ordering problems afaik. Well

Re: APT public key updates?

2006-01-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Michael Vogt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:22:50AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Michael Vogt] > Sorry for the delay. I'm preparing a new upload that adds the 2006 > archive key to the default keyring. Sounds good. Will this aut

Re: /run vs /var/run (was: Please test new sysvinit)

2005-12-18 Thread Joe Smith
"Marco d'Itri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, /dev/shm is a mount point with a _very_ specific function. It's a bad idea to start using it for something else. Reality check: packages have been using it for a long time and the world has not fallen yet

Re: Please test new sysvinit, sysv-rc, initscripts

2005-12-18 Thread Joe Smith
"Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I won't complain, I'll just send a friendly assassin to your house :-) A friendly assasin? Is that the type that comes in, talks with you for a while, and eventually offers you a poisioned beer? -- To UNSUBS

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-14 Thread Joe Smith
"Steve Langasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 03:46:12PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: You have failed to detail any particular difficulty that this causes, I'm pretty sure I saw him do this already, by noting that it increases the n

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Olaf van der Spek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/5/05, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Olaf van der Spek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On 12/5/05, Ivan Adams <[EM

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Olaf van der Spek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/5/05, Ivan Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Example: (/etc/apt/sources.list) deb http://ftp.en.debian.org/debian main stable contrib non-free deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian main stable contrib non-free

Re: Uploading amd64 packages

2005-11-20 Thread Joe Smith
Jérôme Marant said: Quoting Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Jérôme Marant schrieb: > Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master? No. Well. Yes. Of course you can upload. They just get rejected. :) Not good. What is missing to get this fixed? Well There are two mi

Re: I am still on the keyring. With my old key.

2005-11-20 Thread Joe Smith
"Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Who does a developer have to fuck around here to get his key deleted? -- Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wait. Ignore my previous post. I had forgotten that the resignation post was indeed signed. It might howeve

Re: I am still on the keyring. With my old key.

2005-11-20 Thread Joe Smith
"Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Who does a developer have to fuck around here to get his key deleted? I'm not sure your resignation was valid. Most important debian mechanisms require a signature from a key in the keyring. It is hard for anybody

Re: Resignation and orphan list

2005-11-11 Thread Joe Smith
"David Moreno Garza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 15:23 -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote: Over the past five weeks And guess how long will take to get your account removed. Hmm... Doesn't a resignation require a message signed with a key on the

Re: altzone

2005-11-03 Thread Joe Smith
"Josselin Mouette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The documentation mentions that some compilers might need to be executed as : ``CC=c89 CFLAGS=-O2 LIBS=-lposix ./configure'' But there is no posix library as far as I can make out in Debian, so that won't do. Y

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