Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Niels Thykier
Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues: > Quoting Michael Biebl (2021-07-19 15:10:42) >> [...] >> >> According to >> apt-file search -x '^/(lib|bin|sbin)' >> on my Debian sid/amd64 system, we have 1747 packages shipping 24583 >> files in those directories. > > more precisely, on amd64 unstable: > > /b

Re: XFCE4 notes

2021-07-19 Thread Paul Sutton
On 20/07/2021 00:09, Wookey wrote: On 2021-07-14 20:05 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 14.07.21 um 19:54 schrieb Paul Sutton: Hi All Am I right in thinking that xfce4-notes has been removed?  I have installed xfce4-goodies and it isn't installed. From unstable/testing that is correct. See

Re: XFCE4 notes

2021-07-19 Thread Wookey
On 2021-07-14 20:05 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 14.07.21 um 19:54 schrieb Paul Sutton: > > Hi All > > > > Am I right in thinking that xfce4-notes has been removed?  I have > > installed xfce4-goodies and it isn't installed. > > From unstable/testing that is correct. > > See > https://tracke

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian?

2021-07-19 Thread Samuel Henrique
Hello Simon, That's an awesome reply, thank you very much for having the time to write all of this and adding the links, I have found the Steam runtime bit particularly interesting. > (Disclosure: I work for Collabora, and I'm currently working on the > Steam Runtime.) If you're ever feeling lik

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian?

2021-07-19 Thread Simon McVittie
(Disclosure: I work for Collabora, and I'm currently working on the Steam Runtime.) On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 at 13:48:32 +0100, Samuel Henrique wrote: > As some of you already seem, we have very good news for the Linux > gaming community, although somewhat bad for Debian: ... > https://www.steamdeck.co

Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd

2021-07-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16194 March 1977, Simon McVittie wrote: Would it be feasible for dak to have a list of binary package name regexes mapped to a source package and a section/priority, and auto-accept packages from the given source package that match the regex, assigning the given section/priority, without ma

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-07-19 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 02:25:16 +, Paul Wise wrote: > BTW, the Valve Arch Linux overlay thing appears to be here: > > https://repo.steampowered.com/arch/valveaur/ FYI, that's an overlay for "upstream" Arch, for Arch users who want to try out Mesa and kernel patches that are not yet mainline -

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-19 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 16:41:42 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > Should I rather file bugs with patches against individual packages > to move their files from /(sbin|bin|lib)/ to /usr/(sbin|bin|lib)/ As discussed in previous iterations of the ongoing merged-/usr megathread, I don't

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:19:32 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >Am 19.07.21 um 07:23 schrieb Marc Haber: >> I am NOT looking forward having to manually convert legacy systems to >> merged /usr and I do sincerely hope that Debian will choose a way to >> get away without throwing away systems that have ju

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Michael Biebl (2021-07-19 15:10:42) > Am 19.07.21 um 03:36 schrieb Guillem Jover: > > What I've also said multiple times, is that > > merged-usr-via-moves-and-symlink-farms could have been implemented in > > a fully automated way, by debhelper, w/o requiring any maintainer scripts, > > all

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.07.21 um 07:23 schrieb Marc Haber: I am NOT looking forward having to manually convert legacy systems to merged /usr and I do sincerely hope that Debian will choose a way to get away without throwing away systems that have just a small /, still supporting a dedicated /usr as long as it's m

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Guillem Am 19.07.21 um 03:36 schrieb Guillem Jover: What I've also said multiple times, is that merged-usr-via-moves-and-symlink-farms could have been implemented in a fully automated way, by debhelper, w/o requiring any maintainer scripts, all with full cooperation and managed by dpkg, with

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-19 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 11:33:49 +0200, Stephan Lachnit wrote: > We could start with collecting the packages that install to /bin* > instead of /usr/bin, and adjust the packaging so that they don't do > that. [...] At this point, it shouldn't > matter if you run a merged usr system or not, or am I f

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Stephan Lachnit
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 3:37 AM Guillem Jover wrote: > What I've also said multiple times, is that > merged-usr-via-moves-and-symlink-farms could have been implemented in > a fully automated way, by debhelper, w/o requiring any maintainer scripts, > all with full cooperation and managed by dpkg, w

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 19, Marc Haber wrote: > I am NOT looking forward having to manually convert legacy systems to > merged /usr and I do sincerely hope that Debian will choose a way to > get away without throwing away systems that have just a small /, still > supporting a dedicated /usr as long as it's mounte