Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

2017-06-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 10:50:58AM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > [*] Ubuntu doesn't bump the ABI on *every* new version, just the ones > changing the ABI. In reality this is still very frequently and hence you > achieve a rollback mechanism through it. Actually, on account of things like the signin

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 03:43:45PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: >>> No, when taken alone, -dev packages Recommending -doc is just right. >> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/dbnpolicy/policy.git/commit/?id=dc3b001 > T

Bug#864634: ITP: php-klogger -- simple logging class

2017-06-11 Thread James Valleroy
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: James Valleroy * Package name: php-klogger Version : 1.2.1 Upstream Author : Kenny Katzgrau * URL : https://github.com/katzgrau/KLogger * License : Expat Programming Lang: PHP Description : simple logging class

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 03:43:45PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > > No, when taken alone, -dev packages Recommending -doc is just right. > > https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/dbnpolicy/policy.git/commit/?id=dc3b001 This change talks about only

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > No, when taken alone, -dev packages Recommending -doc is just right. https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/dbnpolicy/policy.git/commit/?id=dc3b001 Thanks, Jeremy Bicha

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 11:16:23AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ivan Shmakov writes: > > That’s Abstract Syntax Notation One (or ASN.1), and while I use > > it all the time (notation, that is; not this specific library at > > the moment), I see no reason for a -dev package to depend on

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > We have some specific Policy about this: > > https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-docs-additional > > If package is a build tool, development tool, command-line tool, or > library development package, package (or pac

Bug#864621: ITP: racket-mode -- emacs support for editing and running racket code

2017-06-11 Thread David Bremner
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Bremner -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 * Package name: racket-mode Version : 20161103+0+gab6255718 Upstream Author : Greg Hendershott * URL : https://github.com/greghendershott/racket-mode * License

Re: DEP 15: Reserved namespace for DD-approved non-maintainer changes

2017-06-11 Thread Sean Whitton
Christian Seiler writes: > Your goal in wanting to stop people from having to deal with > patch files manually is laudable, but I see the following way > forward to achieve that goal: > > - Pull requests. > > - Make it easier to create personal copies of remote (!) >repositories in one's ow

Re: DEP 15: Reserved namespace for DD-approved non-maintainer changes

2017-06-11 Thread Sean Whitton
Christian Seiler writes: > Your goal in wanting to stop people from having to deal with > patch files manually is laudable, but I see the following way > forward to achieve that goal: > > - Pull requests. > > - Make it easier to create personal copies of remote (!) >repositories in one's ow

Re: DEP 15: Reserved namespace for DD-approved non-maintainer changes

2017-06-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Sean Whitton wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > > > Not just that. If it is for NMUs, one also has to ensure it matches > > what got uploaded (regardless of method: NMU patch, PR, branch...). > > I'm not sure what you're getting at here -- this DEP is for change

Re: DEP 15: Reserved namespace for DD-approved non-maintainer changes

2017-06-11 Thread Christian Seiler
On 06/11/2017 07:44 PM, Sean Whitton wrote: > Christian Seiler writes: > >> To me this looks like a very complicated technical solution >> to something that I've never encountered as a problem myself. > > Could you explain which parts of the proposal you find to be "very > complicated"? Possibl

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Ivan Shmakov writes: > That’s Abstract Syntax Notation One (or ASN.1), and while I use > it all the time (notation, that is; not this specific library at > the moment), I see no reason for a -dev package to depend on a > -doc one any stronger than with a mere Suggests:. W

Re: DEP 15: Reserved namespace for DD-approved non-maintainer changes

2017-06-11 Thread Sean Whitton
Christian Seiler writes: > To me this looks like a very complicated technical solution > to something that I've never encountered as a problem myself. Could you explain which parts of the proposal you find to be "very complicated"? Possibly I've made them seem much more complicated than they ac

Re: DEP 15: Reserved namespace for DD-approved non-maintainer changes

2017-06-11 Thread Sean Whitton
Ansgar Burchardt writes: > What about contributions to non-packaged parts of Debian? This DEP isn't about those -- are you saying that it ought to be extended? > I also don't like having more systems only a subset of contributors > can use. I share this concern, but it is easier for a DD to re

Re: DEP 15: Reserved namespace for DD-approved non-maintainer changes

2017-06-11 Thread Sean Whitton
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > Not just that. If it is for NMUs, one also has to ensure it matches > what got uploaded (regardless of method: NMU patch, PR, branch...). I'm not sure what you're getting at here -- this DEP is for changes that *aren't* to be uploaded as part of an NMU. --

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:12:23 +, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > > Adam Borowski writes: > > gfortran-mingw-w64: gcc-mingw-w64 > > > * BAD: seriously, Fortran? > > Fortran is still widely used (in niche applications; WRF comes > to mind), but I see no good reason for this depende

Bug#864610: ITP: php-netscape-bookmark-parser -- generic Netscape bookmark parser

2017-06-11 Thread James Valleroy
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: James Valleroy * Package name: php-netscape-bookmark-parser Version : 2.0.2 Upstream Author : Kafene , VirtualTam * URL : https://github.com/shaarli/netscape-bookmark-parser * License : MIT Expat Programming Lang: PH

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-11 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Adam Borowski writes: > On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 05:39:41PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Maybe someone has a list of things they view as Recommends inflation >> that have (a) been reported as bugs to the appropriate package >> maintainers, and (b) have been rejected by those package