On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 08:25:21AM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> I kept suggesting the same, but thought that it'd need a GR because of
> "non-free" and "contrib" being listed explicitly in DFSG §5. Happy to
> see that this wasn't actually necessary. :)
One of the points of the non-free/firmware na
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On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 09:15:45PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jan 09, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 11:51:08AM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > > I think there was consensus to introduce the non-free-firmware section
> > > and move the non-free firmware blobs there.
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 07:41:10AM +0300, Adam Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:39:35 +0100
> Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the fifth alpha
> > release of the installer for Debian 9 "Stretch".
> >
> >
> > Important change in this release of
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:39:35 +0100
Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the fifth alpha
> release of the installer for Debian 9 "Stretch".
>
>
> Important change in this release of the installer
> =
>
> *
On Jan 11, Paul Wise wrote:
> FYI: there are people out there who are still angry at ESR/OSI for
> hijacking the term "open source" to mean essentially the same thing as
> "Free Software" instead of what they used it for; anything with
> publicly released source code.
Actually it is the other way
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 02:09:24AM +0100, Philippe Cerfon wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Josh Triplett wrote:
>> > "open" does not mean "has source available"; "Open Source" is defined
>> > here: http://opensource.org/osd . (That lin
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Hallo,
* Eric Valette [Sun, Jan 10 2016, 02:16:50PM]:
> >On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:56:21AM +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
> >>Russ Allbery writes:
> >>
> >>>For one specific example, it's become quite clear over the past year that
> >>>systemd has achieved the same status as abortion debates in US pol
On 10/01/16 11:09, Marc Haber wrote:
> Yes. But two of his militant fanbois suggested in the following that
> the option should be removed
Unfortunately, any sufficiently large community seems to have people
whose contributions are not entirely (or sometimes not at all)
constructive. I'm sure ther
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:56:21AM +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
Russ Allbery writes:
>For one specific example, it's become quite clear over the past year that
>systemd has achieved the same status as abortion debates in US politics.
>Not only is it clear that we will *never* stop arguing about sy
On 09/01/16 23:22, Philippe Cerfon wrote:
> For non-open, the definition is quite clear: all or some of the
> sources are no available.
If the question you're trying to answer is "is this safe?", then I don't
think source-available (and hence auditable) vs source-unavailable (and
hence not auditab
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 02:09:24AM +0100, Philippe Cerfon wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > They will if people care as much about that separation as they do about
> > separating firmware.
>
> Which effectively still
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:56:21AM +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
> Russ Allbery writes:
>
> >For one specific example, it's become quite clear over the past year that
> >systemd has achieved the same status as abortion debates in US politics.
> >Not only is it clear that we will *never* stop arguing
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:53:52 +0100, Tom H wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:
>Lennart didn't even say that he wanted to get rid of "EnvironmentFile=".
>
>>From the same-named thread on systemd-devel@:
>
>--- 8< ---
>1)
>I probably should never have added EnvironmentFile=
I agree, one is about a person's right to not be forced to have something
that they aren't able to support and will cause their life difficulty, the
other is about abortion
> Your example comparing systemd debate vs abortion debate is definitively
insane : abortion is a philosophical debate that m
2016-01-10 9:27 GMT+01:00 Stefano Zacchiroli :
> But an important part of the above reasoning in favor of
> non-free/firmware was that user enabling explicitly non-free in the
> sources.list and *not* enabling non-free/firmware would get the non-free
> firmware anyhow. I.e., no regressions or chang
Russ Allbery writes:
For one specific example, it's become quite clear over the past year that
systemd has achieved the same status as abortion debates in US politics.
Not only is it clear that we will *never* stop arguing about systemd,
opposition to or support of systemd has turned into a trib
Sorry. Not meant for list. :(
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Tom H wrote:
> Off-list.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>>
>> What is the advantage of having a optional-merged-/usr?
>
> Imagine the opposition if this had been proposed as a non-optional change!
>
> (BT
Off-list.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>
> What is the advantage of having a optional-merged-/usr?
Imagine the opposition if this had been proposed as a non-optional change!
(BTW, I'll take this opportunity to thank you for two of your recent
proposals, the re-work of
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2016-01-04 11:30, Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>> Please also notice that this is the only option for ExecStart in
>> systemd units. Well played, Lennart.
>
> Similarly skeleton-based init scripts use the full path as well. It helps if
> you can st
On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 08:48:25PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Are we sure on the name? Previous commenters have suggested that
> "non-free/firmware" might be better. I understand that may be more
> awkward to implement in terms of directories... :-)
If my recalling is correct, at the BoF there
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