Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Martin Pitt
Hey Marco, Marco d'Itri [2015-05-11 5:53 +0200]: > I am not sure that we really need to retire 75-persistent-net-generator > right now: the annoying part to maintain is the kernel patch which we > will need anyway for at least a couple of releases Which kernel patch? I think all of this ought

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 08, Marc Haber wrote: > That would mean changing local code to _both_ handle en* and eth*, > which is (a) a surprise and (b) unsatisfying in _my_ personal opinion. > > I'd rather have it fully and consistently or not at all. "Not at all" is going to be harder and harder to support, so we

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 08, Martin Pitt wrote: > I propose to retire [mac], i. e. drop > /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules and enable > [ifnames] by default. I see a large enough consensus about switching by default to ifnames, and I believe that the few people who want MAC-based names for USB

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > people.d.o AFAIK is _only_ for DD. Anyway, if I can see it correctly it's only > web space. > > My ppa propose could be also useful for Debian members. I think that new > packages, are controller by ftp-masters, so any help to cr

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Russell Stuart
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 17:11 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > The disease is that actual servers running actual free software can > break at each boot because we cannot have both a persistent naming > scheme and use the eth* prefix is worse that the cure because old > versions of Novell ZENworks may s

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 23:57 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 08 mai 2015 à 20:14 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit : > > Do we have other network software other than ifupdown, > > systemd-networkd and network-manager, the latter handling dynamic > > names rather ungracefully. > > The NM config

Re: Allowing both cross building and using an alternative compiler

2015-05-10 Thread Matthias Klose
On 05/10/2015 03:32 AM, Guillem Jover wrote: > CC_FOR_BUILD = gcc the above mentioned wiki pages still talk about HOSTCC and BUILDCC. Please clarify when to use these. Are the names now final? Also I don't see OBJC and OBJCXX in use, and GOC and GDC are missing. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 08 mai 2015 à 20:14 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit : > Do we have other network software other than ifupdown, > systemd-networkd and network-manager, the latter handling dynamic > names rather ungracefully. The NM configuration is based on MAC addresses and doesn’t care about the interface

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 22:23 +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: > Le 10/05/2015 16:24, Vincent Bernat a écrit : > > Actually, when rebooting your (mission-critical) server, you can have a > > race condition where "eth1" is not the interface that was "eth1" on the > > previous boot and "rename5" is the in

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 10/05/2015 16:24, Vincent Bernat a écrit : > Actually, when rebooting your (mission-critical) server, you can have a > race condition where "eth1" is not the interface that was "eth1" on the > previous boot and "rename5" is the interface that should be > "eth1". That's what needs to be fixed. Do

Re: httpredir.debian.org, your mirrors redirector

2015-05-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Joachim Breitner wrote: > schrieb Raphael Geissert: > > infrastructure under the name of httpredir.debian.org. > > will http.debian.net continue to work? Or better yet could http.debian.org be set up to work too? Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 07:09:41PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, 10 May 2015 17:11:03 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: The disease is that actual servers running actual free software can break at each boot because we cannot have both a persistent naming scheme and use the eth* prefix is worse J

Re: The future of MariaDB

2015-05-10 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hello David, Sorry for the long delay in the reply, this list has so much traffic that I cannot follow it normally. 2015-02-11 0:35 GMT+02:00 David McMackins : > The latest version of libmariadb in Debian no longer works as a drop-in > replacement for MySQL. The library's name and include path ha

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 05:55:36PM -0700, Cameron Norman wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: > > Marvin Renich wrote: > >> * Martin Pitt [150509 05:27]: > >> > TBH, hotpluggable USB network adapters which change all the time sound > >> > like a corner case in a server wo

Re: Heads up: Upcoming dpkg-buildpackage -j precedence change

2015-05-10 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 18:49:25 +0100, Wookey wrote: > I'm happy if you change this - it seems like fixing a bug to me, but I > will just throw in this observation from recent arm64 archive-rebuilds, that > -j and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel= are not exactly the same. Is that > expected? If not th

Re: Heads up: Upcoming dpkg-buildpackage -j precedence change

2015-05-10 Thread Wookey
+++ Guillem Jover [2015-05-10 04:53 +0200]: > Hi! > > “Recently” when adding support for «-jauto» to dpkg-buildpackage, I > noticed that the semantics for the -j option were quite unorthodox. > The value from the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS paralle= option takes precedence > and overrides any explicit value

Re: Q: any reason for debian-policy non-i18n-ed?

2015-05-10 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Hideki Yamane (henr...@debian.or.jp): > Hi, > > Why debian-policy has not been gettexted? > Just a curious :) Apart from Marc's remark, which I consider slightly incorrect (there's a big difference between a good enough understanding of English to be able "to do something in free softwa

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 10 May 2015 17:11:03 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: >The disease is that actual servers running actual free software can >break at each boot because we cannot have both a persistent naming >scheme and use the eth* prefix is worse Just for the record, an unexpected interface name change hasn

Re: Blends and (astronomy) meta-packages

2015-05-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Ole, Quoting Ole Streicher (2015-05-10 13:03:44) > In the astropy development, there recently came up the idea of a > metapackage "astropy-all" which should install all affiliated packages > [1]. There it is centered on python package managers (pypi, conda); > however it may be worth to dupl

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-10 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
El Diumenge, 10 de maig de 2015, a les 10:47:27, Paul Wise va escriure: > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > > El Dissabte, 9 de maig de 2015, a les 09:23:26, Mechtilde va escriure: > >> Why can't you use people.debian.org for this? > > > > It's not an option for

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 10 mai 2015 10:45 -0400, The Wanderer  : >> Do you speak about ifupdown? It's Debian only. eth* interfaces is >> not *nix at all since all BSD are using per-driver naming >> convention. > > Upon consideration, I suspect that I've been making - at least - the > following three assumptions: > > *

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/10/2015 at 10:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 10 mai 2015 08:20 -0400, The Wanderer : > Were you actually using ifupdown to manage the varied set of wireless networks? Because if not, then the name shouldn't matter. >>> >>> Yes, I’m using ifupdown. Besides USB NICs don’

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 10 mai 2015 08:20 -0400, The Wanderer  : >>> Were you actually using ifupdown to manage the varied set of >>> wireless networks? Because if not, then the name shouldn't >>> matter. >> >> Yes, I’m using ifupdown. Besides USB NICs don’t have to be WiFi. > > Lots of people are, and it's inapprop

Re: Q: why binary-log by systemd-journald is not enabled by default?

2015-05-10 Thread Hideki Yamane
On Sat, 9 May 2015 23:26:07 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote: > Are you in group adm, or group systemd-journal? Not in both (by default), after added to it, works well. Thanks. -- Regards, Hideki Yamane henrich @ debian.or.jp/org http://wiki.debian.org/HidekiYamane -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: httpredir.debian.org, your mirrors redirector

2015-05-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 10.05.2015, 14:16 +0200 schrieb Raphael Geissert: > The Debian mirrors redirector, http.debian.net, is now hosted on debian.org > infrastructure under the name of httpredir.debian.org. will http.debian.net continue to work? Greetings, Joachim who for no particular reason fin

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 05/10/2015 at 07:36 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:36:30PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > >> Why? What does a stable name matter in the case you mentioned? > > Because I don’t want to look up the interface name of the day when I > use wireshark/tshark? Because I don’t w

Bug#784902: ITP: silverjuke -- jukebox, karaoke, and kiosk mode mp3 player

2015-05-10 Thread Tobias Quathamer
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dr. Tobias Quathamer * Package name: silverjuke Version : 15.1-beta.6 Upstream Author : Björn Petersen * URL : http://www.silverjuke.net * License : GPL3+ Programming Lang: C++ Description : jukebox, karaoke, and

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

2015-05-10 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 02:36:30PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Why? What does a stable name matter in the case you mentioned? Because I don’t want to look up the interface name of the day when I use wireshark/tshark? Because I don’t want to change my iptables scripts which is working very we

Re: Q: why binary-log by systemd-journald is not enabled by default?

2015-05-10 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 10.05.2015 um 05:56 schrieb Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > And I wish it would keep /var/log/dmesg (and its rotation). That thing is > really useful for user support when dealing with kernel and boot issues. > > I consider the lack of /var/log/dmesg updates in jessie under systemd to be > a r

Blends and (astronomy) meta-packages

2015-05-10 Thread Ole Streicher
Hi, for the debian-astro group, I maintain the "python-astropy" package. This package is accompanied with a couple of "affiliates" packages, some of which are already in Debian (like "astroquery"), or in the packaging process. In the astropy development, there recently came up the idea of a metap

Bug#784899: ITP: libcache-bdb-perl -- object caching wrapper around BerkeleyDB

2015-05-10 Thread Christopher Hoskin
Package: wnpp Owner: Christopher Hoskin Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,debian-p...@lists.debian.org * Package name: libcache-bdb-perl Version : 0.04 Upstream Author : Josh Rotenberg * URL : https://metacpan.org/release/Cache-BDB * Licen

Re: Q: any reason for debian-policy non-i18n-ed?

2015-05-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:13:10PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > Why debian-policy has not been gettexted? > Just a curious :) I suggest to ask the debian-policy maintainers, instead of debian-devel :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître

Re: Q: any reason for debian-policy non-i18n-ed?

2015-05-10 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 10 May 2015 13:13:10 +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > Why debian-policy has not been gettexted? I actually consider that a feature. You can't do any serious work in the free software community without a grasp of English anyway. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No

Bug#784887: ITP: r-cran-lambda.r -- GNU R modeling data with functional programming

2015-05-10 Thread Andreas Tille
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Tille * Package name: r-cran-lambda.r Version : 1.1.7 Upstream Author : Brian Lee Yung Rowe * URL : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/lambda.r * License : LGPL Programming Lang: R Description : GNU R