Hi,
Quoting Didier 'OdyX' Raboud (2015-02-17 21:31:05)
> Le lundi, 16 février 2015, 13.38:01 Adam Borowski a écrit :
> > Second, all but one (upower) of affected packages can be recompiled to
> > drop the dependency. If you bothered to read lists you're subscribed
> > to, you would probably know
Nathan Schulte writes:
> On 02/17/2015 11:49 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>> libsystemd0_is_ dynamically loaded, precisely so that userspace
>> applications can make the decision at runtime as to what to do.
> What about dynamically linked? Maybe Luke means dynamic linking
> (necessitating dynamic
On 02/17/2015 07:36 PM, j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
> I'm all out of patience now, and I no longer have any hope that you
> actually care about being taken seriously. I have no plans to respond
> to any future mails from you.
Hey Josh,
Thanks for taking the time to write that up. I'm a user*,
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> You can do something very similar with weak symbols. You don't even
> need to use dlopen to test for their existence; you can just test the
> symbol directly to check for NULL, or you can supply your own version
> that'll be used if you don'
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:52:21PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > So, please go educate yourself on what libsystemd0 actually does,
>
> i know what it does, and what it does - technically - is *not* the
> issue that i am co
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:52:21PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > So, please go educate yourself on what libsystemd0 actually does,
> i know what it does, and what it does - technically - is *not* the
> issue that i am con
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
> what *does* concern me is that it takes such incredible (and amazing)
> efforts by people like adam for the average end-user or sysadmin to
> contemplate replacing {insert nameless package}.
insert libc6. Or insert perl. Or insert linux-image. And suddenly
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Riley Baird wrote:
> Kind of, but it's only for that one article. Is there something similar
> that lists all edits to the wiki itself like that? If not, I could make
> one by downloading the revision histories for all pages on the wiki and
> then parsing them, but
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> So, please go educate yourself on what libsystemd0 actually does,
i know what it does, and what it does - technically - is *not* the
issue that i am concerned about.
> and if
> for some reason you still consider it a problem after doing
It's not the fact that you wrote such a long email that is necessarily
the problem; it's that you've shown no signs of either reading or
comprehending most of what people have actually said to you. Instead,
you launched into a new set of diatribes that show very little sign of
having actually lear
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 01:54:35AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> you have the right to choose whether the situation that you are
> complicit in is something that you find acceptable or whether you do
> not. i leave it entirely to you to decide.
As a matter of fact we have already d
On 17 Feb 17:44, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> thanks for pointing that out, claude - it helps that it was someone
> else who pointed out that being uncivil by asking a *person* to go
> away doesn't make the *problem* go away.
>
> andrew: i will go away only when i am satisified that the
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Le lundi, 16 février 2015, 13.38:01 Adam Borowski a écrit :
> Second, all but one (upower) of affected packages can be recompiled to
> drop the dependency. If you bothered to read lists you're subscribed
> to, you would probably know of my set of deinfected packages at:
> deb http://angband.p
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> which should help answer the question you asked: your work - fantastic
> as it is - was *impossible to find*. it doesn't even remotely come up
> on the radar of queries. *nobody knows what you've achieved* and
> that's somet
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to apologise for my mail I sent about two hours ago. I have
> overreacted mainly because of the length of the email, CAPS INSIDE and
> also because it's a topic which is being discussed for more than a year
> and which ma
Hello,
I'd like to apologise for my mail I sent about two hours ago. I have
overreacted mainly because of the length of the email, CAPS INSIDE and
also because it's a topic which is being discussed for more than a year
and which many of people here are already tired of.
I however still think that
On 02/17/2015 11:49 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
You only harm your case by misusing and confusing terminology in that
way.
>russ writes:
>
>>Alas, the resulting distribution is still hopelessly compromised by
>>the NSA, who might be even worse than Lennart Poettering. To see
>>how deep the tendri
2015-02-17 19:29 GMT+01:00 Nathan Schulte :
> Hi Andrew,
>
> On 02/17/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
> > total. Extremely rude.
>
> I for one am grateful Luke took the time to write the email he did. I
> understand it wa
Hi Andrew,
On 02/17/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
> total. Extremely rude.
I for one am grateful Luke took the time to write the email he did. I
understand it was long and I believe that most won't even take the
time to
adam, i apologise for not being in a position to reply in-thread: as
mentioned previously i tried (via gmane) but the entire discussion is
completely missing, and i forgot to ask people in the original post to
cc me if they would like an ongoing threaded reply.
i also notice that you removed debia
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 17 February 2015 at 18:20, claude juif wrote:
>> Really rude answer. Really bad.
>
> I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
> total. Extremely rude.
i did apologise in advance, and explained why i to
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:31:19 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
>As usual, the systemd critics are just misinformed. This comforts me.
>because it means that their views can be easily ignored.
And as usual, you don't make any effort to change the misinformation.
Otoh, most systemd documen
Hi,
On 17 February 2015 at 18:20, claude juif wrote:
> Really rude answer. Really bad.
I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
total. Extremely rude.
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On Feb 17 2015, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> On 17/02/2015 10:55, Vincent Bernat wrote:
>> ❦ 17 février 2015 10:18 GMT, Alastair McKinstry
>> :
>>
> The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
> separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repa
On 02/17/2015 at 11:28 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> so, marco, you wrote:
>
>> Again, you clearly do not understand well how systemd works.
>
> marco: understanding or otherwise how systemd works is not the
> point: the point is that there has been a unilateral decision across
> vi
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:20 PM, claude juif wrote:
>
>
> 2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura :
>>
>> Hi Luke,
>>
>> On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
>> wrote:
>> > <265 lines of text and counting snipped>
>>
>> In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things
2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura :
> Hi Luke,
>
> On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> wrote:
> > <265 lines of text and counting snipped>
>
> In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
> on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this
Hallo,
* Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [Tue, Feb 17 2015, 04:28:04PM]:
> so to summarise:
>
> * the use of libselinux1 is dormant (i.e. whilst you can't remove it
> without inconvenience, its use is entirely optional, right from the
> kernel level)
> * its development and documentation is rational
Hi Luke,
On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> <265 lines of text and counting snipped>
In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this any longer regardless
of their position on systemd.
Thanks
ok, so there's been quite a discussion, both on slashdot, where
amazingly the comments that filtered to the top were insightful and
respectful, and also here on debian-devel and debian-users. as i
normally use gmane to reply (and maintain and respect threads) but
this discussion is not *on* gmane,
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❦ 17 février 2015 12:57 GMT, Alastair McKinstry :
> The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
> separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing
systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition
was part
2015-02-17 13:57 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry :
> [...]
>
> Examination after the fact showed that if I'd had the correct packages
> installed, it would have worked.
> So from a Debian perspective this was 'notabug'.
> (modules that were not needed day-to-day had been deleted by hand to
> make spac
On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 12:57 +, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> On 17/02/2015 10:55, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > ❦ 17 février 2015 10:18 GMT, Alastair McKinstry
> > :
> >
> The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
> separate partition) has left a sour taste.
On 17/02/2015 10:55, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 17 février 2015 10:18 GMT, Alastair McKinstry
> :
>
The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing
>>> systemd introduces no such breakage. Al
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❦ 17 février 2015 10:18 GMT, Alastair McKinstry :
>>> The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
>>> separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing
>> systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition
>> was partially br
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On 16/02/2015 21:31, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Feb 16, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
>
>> The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
>> separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing
> systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate pa
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:30:44 +0100
Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> Am 13.02.2015 um 21:15 schrieb Riley Baird:
> > On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:16:39 +0100
> > Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> >> Am 12.02.2015 um 20:59 schrieb Riley Baird:
> >>
> >>> Bug #388141 [RC] refers to the relicensing of the debian www pages.
>
> > But dictatorially coming in and demanding that volunteers join you in
> > riding your hobby horse? Please leave.
>
> I did not see any dictatorial demands in his message, he gave the story
> on how to get rid of systemd _within_ Debian, nothing else.
True, but it was bait for another systemd
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:10:52 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
>
> > Debian for Drones(TM)
>
> Are there any that could run Debian?
>
> It might be interesting to use them to ferry microphones at DebConf :)
Eg. this one does http://linux.conf.
On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 23:45 +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler
> > wrote:
> >> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
> >>>
> >>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debia
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