On 02/17/2015 07:36 PM, j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
> I'm all out of patience now, and I no longer have any hope that you
> actually care about being taken seriously. I have no plans to respond
> to any future mails from you.
Hey Josh,
Thanks for taking the time to write that up. I'm a user*, and I respect
Luke's premise. I think we all do, honestly.
It's not choice for choice's sake, it's choice for the user's sake;
there are users actively requesting (and using!) these features. I
don't know about libpam/etc. alternatives, but I imagine some of those
don't exist due to licensing reasons or lack of user request. I'm not
sure; I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually similar to the case here.
I agree with the arguments about libsystemd0 as well (that it's not a
valid concern). At some point we all have to stop debating and play
ball and get things done. That tends to mean that the doers are also
the sayers; that's just the way it works. Debian does a great job of
swaying that balance toward the user, and I expect and hope it will
continue to do so. I don't agree with the boycotts, the forks in that
vein tend to only detract. I guess the boycotters aren't also in favor
of choice? Some strange intersection of groups coming out on the
mailing lists these days...
Anyway, sorry for testing your patience, and thanks for your input. I
have some more reading to do it seems.
--
Nate
* a user that wishes he contributed more; I try to support the bugs I
create in the form of code, but usually the bugs I create involve
systems that are far too complex for the uninitiated to begin to help
with, especially if they can't sink in for the long haul.
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