On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Noel Torres wrote:
> Exactly. Who they are? The people who chose Debian, are they laptop users?
> desktop users? sysadmins? The question is important.
All of the people you mention choose Debian.
It is impossible to know who they are though, except for people who
Josh Triplett writes:
> gnome Depends: gnome-core, which Depends: gnome-user-share, which
> Depends: apache2-bin (or apache2.2-bin in stable, which is a
> transitional package depending on apache2-bin in unstable).
Also, just in general, popcon is not going to be particularly helpful in
getting
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Every Desktop-user who has a printer also needs a webserver since CUPS
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Am 27.11.2014 um 02:18 schrieb Josh Triplett:
> gnome Depends: gnome-core, which Depends: gnome-user-share, which
> Depends: apache2-bin (or apache2.2-bin in stable, which is a
> transitional pa
Russ Allbery's response already refuted the general approach of
attempting to create artificial divisiveness between Debian users, but
in addition to that, I'd like to refute a specific bit of misinformation
from this mail:
Noel Torres wrote:
> But we can have estimates. popcon gives us 98681 inst
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:05:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Noel Torres writes:
>
> > It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by
> > others, (with better and worse words) that Debian server admins will not
> > be pleased with an init system which is bigger and does not
Le mercredi 26 novembre 2014 à 16:05 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> And many of us who actually *are* Debian server administrators have said
> repeatedly that your gut is wrong, in the innumerable versions of this
> conversation that have happened over the past two years. This idea that
> systemd
Noel Torres writes:
> It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by
> others, (with better and worse words) that Debian server admins will not
> be pleased with an init system which is bigger and does not use shell
> scripts to start system services.
And many of us who actua
Hi,
Noel Torres writes:
> It is a gut feeling, one that I share with systemd proponents, that Debian's
> desktop experience will be better for our users with systemd.
>
> It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by others,
> (with better and worse words) that Debian serve
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On Wednesday, 26 de November de 2014 02:23:20 Paul Wise escribió:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Noel Torres wrote:
> > Who our users are?
>
> Debian's users are the set of people and organisations who use Debian.
Exactly. Who they are? The people who chose Debian, are they laptop users?
des
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Quoting Mike Gabriel (2014-11-26 16:57:26)
> I agree with you that we should not do such interim hacks, now that it
> is clear that this issue is merely a backporting issue.
You may consider caring particularly for backporting.
With long-form dh_* (and therefore also with CDBS) you can have pack
Hi Colin,
On Mi 26 Nov 2014 11:31:24 CET, Colin Watson wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:11:02AM +, Mike Gabriel wrote:
At the moment all gir1.2-* packages in Debian must have multi-arch paths for
the .typelibs files that provide information for gobject introspection.
In Ubuntu and possi
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:23:19PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 14:46 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from
> > > wheezy/etc to jessi
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 14:46 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from
> > wheezy/etc to jessie will give you systemd as init system and inform
> > about the apt pinning
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Hi,
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from
> wheezy/etc to jessie will give you systemd as init system and inform
> about the apt pinning solution.
>
> 3) Heavily advertise (again in release notes?) that y
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:35:08AM +0100, Stefano Karapetsas wrote:
> On 2014-11-26 11:11, Mike Gabriel wrote:
> >My proposal for the interim phase (however long that might be) is to
> >provide symlinks in gir1.2-* packages that provide correct
> >functionalities in Debian and downstream distros (s
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On 2014-11-26 11:11, Mike Gabriel wrote:
My proposal for the interim phase (however long that might be) is to
provide symlinks in gir1.2-* packages that provide correct
functionalities in Debian and downstream distros (such as described
above), as well.
/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/Caja-2.0.typelib
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:11:02AM +, Mike Gabriel wrote:
> Hi all,
> […]
> My proposal for the interim phase (however long that might be) is to provide
> symlinks in gir1.2-* packages that provide correct functionalities in Debian
> and downstream distros (such as described above), as well.
>
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:11:02AM +, Mike Gabriel wrote:
> At the moment all gir1.2-* packages in Debian must have multi-arch paths for
> the .typelibs files that provide information for gobject introspection.
>
> In Ubuntu and possibly other derivatives, this step has not been taken yet,
> .
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:11:02AM +, Mike Gabriel wrote:
> My proposal for the interim phase (however long that might be)
> is to provide symlinks in gir1.2-* packages that provide correct
> functionalities in Debian and downstream distros (such as described
> above), as well.
>
> /usr/lib/g
Hi all,
I have a short question, asking for opinion and feedback.
At the moment all gir1.2-* packages in Debian must have multi-arch
paths for the .typelibs files that provide information for gobject
introspection.
In Ubuntu and possibly other derivatives, this step has not been taken
ye
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
> Does that work,
> anyway (i.e. does installing systemd and immediately
> reverting to sysvinit leave the system net unchanged,
> modulo the dependencies it pulls in (see planet post))?
I've i
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
> > 2) In case you missed doing the above, you get a debconf prompt when
>
> No, no, no, no, no, no, no!
>
> Again: aborting the dist-upgrade in the debconf of one
> package may leave the syste
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
> (another partial? solution is to change order of the (pre-)depends of
> the init package, as proposed in
No, that breaks due to the bug in debootstrap’s dependency “resolver”
(see #557322, #668001, #768062) and the unwillingness of KiBi to fix
that. Th
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