Hi, Noel Torres <env...@rolamasao.org> writes: > It is a gut feeling, one that I share with systemd proponents, that Debian's > desktop experience will be better for our users with systemd. > > It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by others, > (with better and worse words) that Debian server admins will not be pleased > with an init system which is bigger and does not use shell scripts to start > system services. Inconveniences have been stated about binary logs (which has > been expressed that it is not true), big binary, tightly related set of > binaries, security relying in developers and packagers and not sysadmins, > encompassing of not-init-related services, and more.
Once again, I am asking for numbers. I refuse to believe this narrative, that systemd is somehow (widely viewed as) taylored to the needs of the desktop on the cost of the needs of a server, no matter how often it is repeated, unless someone offers some at least rough data on this (for example the results of a survey, trying to correlate "I administrate mainly/a lot of servers vs. I administrate mainly laptops" with "I think systemd is bad for the desktop/server usecase"). Because there has been a lot of testaments towards the benefit of systemd for servers too and that totally fits my own impressions. I couldn't care less for it's use in a DE, I don't use a DE. What I *do* care about is it's use in servers, which I view as the *main* beneficiaries of systemd. So please, before we keep rehashing this narrative and letting it become widely believed (and thus self-fulfilling): Show me some data. Anything (Okay, not anything. Quoting for example number of mailing-list posts or reddit/SO-answers is *not* good data). The question about what use-cases our users care about only matters, if we accept this underlying assumption, that systemd is good for one but actively bad for the other. Oh and of course: meh. systemd-flamewar. *Exactly* what we need… Best, Axel Wagner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/878uix1psg.fsf@rincewind.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me
