Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Philipp Kern: > Discussions should move to the appropriate venues (like bugs and focussed > lists for subprojects, maintainance lists) instead of providing a soapbox of > anger. > Hmm. We already have a bunch of focused lists for subprojects. The problem with splitting it all up and disbandi

Bug#769063: ITP: apertium-apy -- Apertium APY service

2014-11-10 Thread Kartik Mistry
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kartik Mistry * Package name: apertium-apy Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Universidad de Alicante / Prompsit Language Engineering S.L. * URL : http://apertium.org/ * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: Python Descript

Bug#769062: ITP: puppet-module-puppetlabs-vcsrepo -- Puppet module to deploy content from a version control system

2014-11-10 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jordan Metzmeier * Package name: puppet-module-puppetlabs-vcsrepo Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Bruce Williams * URL : https://forge.puppetlabs.com/puppetlabs/vcsrepo * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: Ruby Des

Re: Bug#768936: ITP: nufft -- Library implementing the Non-Uniform Fast Fourier Transform

2014-11-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:21:33AM +, Ghislain Antony Vaillant wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Ghislain Antony Vaillant > > * Package name: nufft > Version : 1.3.3 > Upstream Author : Leslie Greengard > * URL : http://www.cims.nyu.edu/cmcl/nuf

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Nov11:0036+0100, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2014-11-10 18:20, David L. Craig wrote: > > > >But weaker by becoming more non-public? At what point > >is the Social Contract undermined? What about transforming > >those lists into readable by all but open only to > >certain responsible posters in

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2014-11-10 18:20, David L. Craig wrote: On 14Nov10:2325+0900, Charles Plessy wrote: With most of the work done on topic mailing lists, trolls lose the lever effect they have when feasting on debian-devel or debian-vote. Let's make our project stronger by reducing thr attack surface for tr

Removing duplication: Word lists of common words in languages (was: Bug#768772: ITP: xkcdpass …)

2014-11-10 Thread Ben Finney
On 10-Nov-2014, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Crypt::XkcdPassword by default uses "the most commonly used words in > film scripts and television shows", and documents examples of > adaptations at . Thank you, it's good to know these exist. I do

Re: Bug#768772: ITP: xkcdpass -- secure passphrase generator inspired by XKCD 936

2014-11-10 Thread Ben Finney
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > [adding bugreport as recipient] Thanks. I need to be more careful in accessing Debian discussion forums; I usually do so via via NNTP. > curious questions for your xkcdpass tool: > > * Does it handle alternate dictionaries (e.g. danish)? > * Does it handle massagi

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: > You certainly heard about "debianfork" (http://debianfork.org/) and from a > user point of > view this is a tragedy. Not really. Forking is good, and should be encouraged. In fact, Debian is one of the most forked projects, ever, a

Re: A plea to worry about what matters, and not take ourselves too seriously

2014-11-10 Thread John Goerzen
On 11/10/2014 02:13 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Sun, 09 Nov 2014, John Goerzen wrote: >> Debian is a making-the-world-better project, a caring for people >> project, a freedom-spreading project. Free Software is our tool. > [...] >> My plea is that we each may get angry at what matters, and l

Re: Release Team Sprint Results

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On 2014-11-10 22:01, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:33:07PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: [re-adding -devel@] On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 21:20 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 13:08 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at

Re: Release Team Sprint Results

2014-11-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org) [141110 23:06]: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:33:07PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > > [re-adding -devel@] > > > On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 21:20 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > > > On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 13:08 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > Hi Jonathan, > > >

Re: Release Team Sprint Results

2014-11-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:33:07PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > [re-adding -devel@] > On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 21:20 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > > On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 13:08 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Hi Jonathan, > > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:52:31AM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wro

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, November 10, 2014 04:55:20 PM David L. Craig wrote: > On 14Nov10:2154+0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: > > You do realize topic lists are public too, right? > > Yes, but most Debian users don't even know about > them nor do they need to since the traditional > lists have been doing their jobs

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Nov10:2154+0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: > You do realize topic lists are public too, right? Yes, but most Debian users don't even know about them nor do they need to since the traditional lists have been doing their jobs for quite a while. If you shut them down, I expect most of the public wil

Re: Release Team Sprint Results

2014-11-10 Thread Adam D. Barratt
[re-adding -devel@] On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 21:20 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Mon, 2014-11-10 at 13:08 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > > > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:52:31AM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > [...] > > >- i486 support dropped > > > > I'm rather certain

Re: Release Team Sprint Results

2014-11-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Jonathan, On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:52:31AM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > Release notes > = > We seek patches and editors for the release notes. We identified > the following topics as being particularly important: > >    - init system changes > - How to choose (before

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread Gergely Nagy
> "David" == David L Craig writes: David> On 14Nov10:2325+0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >> With most of the work done on topic mailing lists, trolls lose the lever effect >> they have when feasting on debian-devel or debian-vote. Let's make our project >> stronger by reducing

Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Neil McGovern: > Also, please see the footnote in my mail above. > Indeed. Some lies become truths if repeated often enough. This one, apparently, was not. Too bad, really. But no matter. Zurg's time will come. :-P -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ..

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:12:46PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Neil McGovern writes ("Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system > coupling"): > > Indeed, unfortunately so. Given the rather rushed nature though, it > > would be nice to try and work out a way of avoiding having to do this >

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:12:46PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Neil McGovern writes ("Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system > coupling"): > > Indeed, unfortunately so. Given the rather rushed nature though, it > > would be nice to try and work out a way of avoiding having to do this >

Re: A plea to worry about what matters, and not take ourselves too seriously

2014-11-10 Thread Jakub Wilk
* John Goerzen , 2014-11-09, 19:09: 14 years ago, I proposed what was, until now anyhow, one of the most controversial GRs in Debian history. For people who are curious but too lazy^H^H^H^Hbusy to comb through debian-vote archives: John is most likely referring to this: https://lists.debian.o

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:12:46PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I have a half-written series to make it cope with lettered, rather > than numbered, options. Would it be worth my while finishing that off > (in my CFT) ? The voting process is already complex enough. If it is going to be like this:

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Neil McGovern writes ("Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling"): > Indeed, unfortunately so. Given the rather rushed nature though, it > would be nice to try and work out a way of avoiding having to do this > manual action in future. I'm currently working from > http://anonscm.

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-10 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
I would assume the way to go forward would be to report a bug on this? I have a faint memory of there already being one, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Also, my last bug report got closed - and I'm not even sure what to report it against (base?). Perhaps someone else would be more competent at w

Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 10:23:01AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Osamu Aoki: > > I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release > > name. > > > > I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in > > November) in proper timing. Did I miss som

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 04:12:20PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 04:10:13PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 11:53:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > 57dd4

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-10 15:57:06) > Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-10): >> If we had the *option* of init system choice at install time (even if >> completely hidden from default UI only activated by a commandline >> option), I believe that would radically limit complaints. > > We already

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Nov10:2325+0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > With most of the work done on topic mailing lists, trolls lose the lever > effect > they have when feasting on debian-devel or debian-vote. Let's make our > project > stronger by reducing thr attack surface for troublemakers. But weaker by becoming

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/10/2014 at 08:34 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > The Wanderer: > >> Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely >> interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement >> directly... > > The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of "remove > s

Bug#769000: ITP: hsenv -- Haskell virtual environment tool

2014-11-10 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dmitry Bogatov * Package name: hsenv Version : 0.5 Upstream Author : Bartosz Ćwikłowski Taylor Hedberg * URL : https://github.com/tmhedberg/hsenv * License : BSD Programming Lang: Haskell Descript

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-11-10 14:34:33) > > The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of "remove > > systemd from Debian NOW" will not shut up the most vocal detractors. > > And "shut up the most vocal detractors" is only way to address or > discuss thi

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:34:33PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > The Wanderer: > > Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely > > interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement directly... > > The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of "remove sy

Re: inconsistent versions of M-A: same packages

2014-11-10 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 17:18:10 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: > Quoting Ralf Treinen (2014-11-09 15:58:15) > > Interesting, I did not know this. Is this documented somewhere? I just > > looked > > through apt-get(1) man page and couldn't find it there. > > it should definitely be documented

Re: Please more fish (was: so long and thanks for all the fish)

2014-11-10 Thread Amaya
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > So you still could (and perhaps should[0]) reconsider not to leave > Debian. > Guess you've read the lists and saw how many people were emotionally > hit and upset about this. Joey, I beg you too. Please reconsider. Still, if it's not fun anymore by all means run

Bug#768983: ITP: carbon-c-relay -- Carbon-compatible graphite line mode relay

2014-11-10 Thread Filippo Giunchedi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Filippo Giunchedi * Package name: carbon-c-relay Version : 0.36 Upstream Author : Fabian Groffen * URL : https://github.com/grobian/carbon-c-relay * License : Apache 2 Programming Lang: C Description : Carbon-comp

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:31:10AM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > If you have sufficiently specialized requirements that our recommended > default is unsuitable, that's a good time to look into the "expert" > installer mode, pre-seeding, or installing with the default > init/bootloader/etc. and swi

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Jonas Smedegaard (2014-11-10): > If we had the *option* of init system choice at install time (even if > completely hidden from default UI only activated by a commandline > option), I believe that would radically limit complaints. We already have, Simon mentioned one way to do it. You can also

Re: Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:25:35PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Hi all, > > after unsubscribing from debian-vote, I had a bit of a thought about > debian-devel, which is hard to follow now, and suddenly I saw something very > clear. This year's freeze seems of an excellent quality and promises

Bug#768979: ITP: geoipupdate -- MaxMind GeoIP/GeoIP2 database updates

2014-11-10 Thread Faidon Liambotis
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Faidon Liambotis * Package name: geoipupdate Version : 2.1.0 Upstream Author : MaxMind, Inc. * URL : https://github.com/maxmind/geoipupdate * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : MaxMind GeoIP/GeoIP2 da

Re: Two years later and still no netatalk3 in jessie?

2014-11-10 Thread Hideki Yamane
On Sun, 9 Nov 2014 17:20:42 +0100 Adrian Knoth wrote: > 2012/10/11 - Hideki started working on a 3.0.1 package using dh style > instead of cdbs, but it was declined because of Jonas' wish to stick > with cdbs I'm sorry, if I was familiar with cdbs, its result would be changed... ;) > But maybe

Let's abandon debian-devel.

2014-11-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi all, after unsubscribing from debian-vote, I had a bit of a thought about debian-devel, which is hard to follow now, and suddenly I saw something very clear. This year's freeze seems of an excellent quality and promises to be brief. Is that thanks to debian-devel ? Not much. Excellent work

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:51:50PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Jonas Smedegaard: > > If we had the *option* of init system choice at install time (even if > > completely hidden from default UI only activated by a commandline > > option), I believe that would radically limit complain

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-11-10 14:34:33) > The Wanderer: >> Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely >> interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement >> directly... > > The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of "remove > systemd from Deb

Re: Please more fish (was: so long and thanks for all the fish)

2014-11-10 Thread Anthony Towns
Hey Joey, On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 06:12:13PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Please take that message with a pound of salt. I was upset when I wrote > it, it's probably not accurate, and I've left[1] for reasons that are > much more broadly structural, and are certianly not the fault of the > technical

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread John Goerzen
On 11/10/2014 04:15 AM, Michael Ole Olsen wrote: > If there was a choice in the installer for Init system and boot loader there > would be nobody complaining. But here my point is to put it in perspective. Somebody isn't going to get their way on this, whether it be the system they prefer as defa

Bug#768968: ITP: pyuca -- Python implementation of the Unicode Collation Algorithm (UTS-10)

2014-11-10 Thread Daniel Stender
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniel Stender * Package name: pyuca Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : James Tauber * URL : https://github.com/jtauber/pyuca * License : Expat, Unicode-TOU Programming Lang: Python Description : Python implementati

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, The Wanderer: > Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, no one seems to be remotely > interested in trying to address or discuss that disagreement directly... The problem is that, apparently, any 'support' short of "remove systemd from Debian NOW" will not shut up the most vocal detractors. > T

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: But GNU/Linux is NOT uniformity. It is choice. It is alternatives. It is options. http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ Oh, the famous web site, crafted by the gnome dev Bassi, https://wiki.gnome.org/EmmanueleBassi, with which, BTW that IBM ad ( http://www.dailymotion.com/

Re: Release Team Sprint Results

2014-11-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/09/2014 07:52 PM, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > Our release managers chose the following codenames for future > releases: > >* Debian 9 "Stretch" >* Debian 10 "Buster" Thanks *A LOT* for choosing one more name in advance, so that we don't have to file unblocks during the freeze to jus

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/10/2014 at 04:37 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Dear Nathael, > > This is off-topic for -devel. Please consider debian-user or the > offtopic list. > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: >> Other distributions may have chosen the easy single init way, but >> De

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-11-10 12:51:50) > Jonas Smedegaard: >> If we had the *option* of init system choice at install time (even if >> completely hidden from default UI only activated by a commandline >> option), I believe that would radically limit complaints. >> > I doubt that, given t

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonas Smedegaard: > If we had the *option* of init system choice at install time (even if > completely hidden from default UI only activated by a commandline > option), I believe that would radically limit complaints. > I doubt that, given the history of this discussion. :-/ In any case, w

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Simon McVittie (2014-11-10 12:31:10) > On 10/11/14 10:15, Michael Ole Olsen wrote: >> If there was a choice in the installer for Init system and boot >> loader there would be nobody complaining. > > If I had to choose an init system and a boot loader during the normal > installation flow,

Re: Bug#768956: ITP: python-fabric -- tool for remote execution and deployment over SSH

2014-11-10 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 2014-11-10 11:40, Thomas Goirand wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-fabric Version : 1.10.0 Upstream Author : Jeff Forcier * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Fabric * License : BSD-2-clause Programming

Bug#768956: ITP: python-fabric -- tool for remote execution and deployment over SSH

2014-11-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-fabric Version : 1.10.0 Upstream Author : Jeff Forcier * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Fabric * License : BSD-2-clause Programming Lang: Python Description : tool for re

Bug#768955: ITP: python-invocations -- reusable invoke tasks

2014-11-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-invocations Version : 0.6.2 Upstream Author : Jeff Forcier * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/invocations * License : BSD-2-clause Programming Lang: Python Description : re

Re: free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On 10/11/14 10:15, Michael Ole Olsen wrote: > If there was a choice in the installer for Init system > and boot loader there would be nobody complaining. If I had to choose an init system and a boot loader during the normal installation flow, I'd complain. Options have a cost, forcing a user to an

Bug#768952: ITP: python-invoke -- Pythonic task execution

2014-11-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-invoke Version : 0.9.0 Upstream Author : Jeff Forcier * URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/invoke/0.9.0 * License : BSD-2-clause Programming Lang: Python Description : Python

Re: What is the policy on audio group? and, proposal of a new group for the jack audio server

2014-11-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On 10/11/14 02:59, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: > I vaguely remember PolicyKit being involved in the daemon situation, > when mpd tries to talk to a pulseaudio server which magically gets > spawned PolicyKit is typically (only?) used when a less-privileged process, typically a user interface, com

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Nathael Pajani said: > You certainly heard about "debianfork" (http://debianfork.org/) and > from a user point of view this is a tragedy. Debian welcomes forks - we have had dozens in the past, and I hope we'll have many more in the future. Each one adds something to

Bug#768942: ITP: python-rudolf -- colour output plugin for the nose testing framework

2014-11-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand * Package name: python-rudolf Version : 0.3 Upstream Author : John J. Lee * URL : https://github.com/bitprophet/rudolf * License : ZPL-2.1 Programming Lang: Python Description : colour output plugi

Re: Bad weather in testing ?

2014-11-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On 09/11/14 08:38, Ralf Treinen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 06:11:45PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: >> On 07/11/14 16:15, Ralf Treinen wrote: >>> There is only one package in the "each" category, and this is a false >>> positive due to multiarch: lib32nss-mdns, which exists only on amd64 >>> (

Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 10. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Don't we all love people playing games with our mailing lists. no. > >> To: debian-vote > So it's not been formally posted to -vote AFAICT. On the other hand, we > desperately need some levity there, so … Jakub, please do. > FWIW: sec

Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Arno Töll: > On 10.11.2014 10:55, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > > i am disappoint. =( will second the motion on debian-vote to go for zurg. > > There is a ongoing GR proposal waiting for seconds, see > https://lists.debian.org/debian-curiosa/2014/11/msg3.html which I > fully support! > Do

Re: Bug#768772: ITP: xkcdpass -- secure passphrase generator inspired by XKCD 936

2014-11-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
[adding bugreport as recipient] Quoting Ben Finney (2014-11-10 00:33:52) > Simon McVittie writes: > > > Does [xkcdpass] have significant advantages over pwqgen, in the > > passwdqc package? > > Significant advantages: > > * ‘xkcdpass’ provides an implementation of a much-discussed scheme for >

Bug#768936: ITP: nufft -- Library implementing the Non-Uniform Fast Fourier Transform

2014-11-10 Thread Ghislain Antony Vaillant
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ghislain Antony Vaillant * Package name: nufft Version : 1.3.3 Upstream Author : Leslie Greengard * URL : http://www.cims.nyu.edu/cmcl/nufft/nufft.html * License : BSD Programming Lang: FORTRAN Description : Libr

free choice in installer?

2014-11-10 Thread Michael Ole Olsen
If there was a choice in the installer for Init system and boot loader there would be nobody complaining. People only complain when there isn't a choice and they are forced to use something new. I.e. forced to use ext4 instead of ext3 forced to use grub instead of lilo forced to use systemX i

Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Arno Töll
On 10.11.2014 10:55, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: > i am disappoint. =( will second the motion on debian-vote to go for zurg. There is a ongoing GR proposal waiting for seconds, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-curiosa/2014/11/msg3.html which I fully support! -- with kind regards, Arno Töl

Re: Jessie Freeze -> What is the next release name? (jessie+1)

2014-11-10 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 9 November 2014 18:36, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On 2014-11-09 9:23, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> >> See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. According to Neil >> McGovern, the code name shall be "zurg". >> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00905.html >> >> >> Whi

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: > You certainly heard about "debianfork" (http://debianfork.org/) and from a > user point of > view this is a tragedy. Don't worry, this is a joke. > When a (big ?) pool of users is not happy to the point of suggesting to fork There

Re: A plea to worry about what matters, and not take ourselves too seriously

2014-11-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Good morning, On Montag, 10. November 2014, John Goerzen wrote: > Good afternoon, [...] > May you each find that airplane to soar freely in the skies, to lift > your soul so that the joy of using Free Software to make the world a > better place may still be here, regardless of what /sbin/init is.

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Dear Nathael, This is off-topic for -devel. Please consider debian-user or the offtopic list. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:57:50AM +0100, Nathael Pajani wrote: > You certainly heard about "debianfork" (http://debianfork.org/) and from a > user point of view this is a tragedy. snip > When a (big ?)

A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Nathael Pajani
Hi all ! (Sorry for my English, I'm no native speaker, hope I'll not make too many mistakes and my message will be understandable) I did not know who to write to about this and how to contact as many of you as possible, so here it is. I hope it will not interfere too much with what this list is

some dev suggestions from oldtime user: /usr/src source packages, non-forced bootloader, even more simple base-install with no GUI installer seriously

2014-11-10 Thread Michael Ole Olsen
Just installed debian on an old amd32 platform, it booted in 4-5 seconds !:) debian + GNU base, love it debian is one of the last dists to create a no fuzz installer, only installer that is tolerable to me so I hope the baseinstall will be made even more non-gui in the future and perhaps apt-ge

Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

2014-11-10 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Faidon, On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 11:46:57AM +0200, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > > Extremely sad to read this, Joey. +1 I personally feel like loosing a friend. If I imagine myself to leave Debian I would leave a major part of my life and I guess its similar for Joey and that the decision was ha

Re: Bug#768772: ITP: xkcdpass -- secure passphrase generator inspired by XKCD 936

2014-11-10 Thread zlatan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Even if it ends as impractical for usage I do support that you package it. Its your joy to work on it and I think that at least many people would have fun and laugh when they cross it in our big archive (I know I would, I mean its xkcd afterall).

Re: A plea to worry about what matters, and not take ourselves too seriously

2014-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014, John Goerzen wrote: > Debian is a making-the-world-better project, a caring for people > project, a freedom-spreading project. Free Software is our tool. [...] > My plea is that we each may get angry at what matters, and let go of the > smaller frustrations in life; that we m