Re: Enabling uupdate to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-20 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Guillem, On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 03:37:58AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 20:50:31 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:39:34 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > > > Dpkg::Control::Hash - parse and manipulate a block of RFC822-like fields > > > > (libdpkg-p

Re: can we (fully) release-goal decommissioning of trolls

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/21/2012 06:47 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > For some pieces of the system, “down to > Windows level” would be quite an improvement. > Are you suggesting that we replace the start menu by a Sokoban game? Sorry, couldn't resist... :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ..

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 02:07 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Hey Ben. > > > On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 19:32 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > To allow users to connect to the NetworkManager daemon they have to be in > > the > > group "netdev". > Like Vincent already pointed out, CK allows it,

Re: Enabling uupdate to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-20 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 20:50:31 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:39:34 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > > Dpkg::Control::Hash - parse and manipulate a block of RFC822-like fields > > > (libdpkg-perl) > > How would you compare this to Jonas solution using > > use Parse::De

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 09:18 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > Or get it working properly with Python, make use of the simplicity > of interpreted languages until the design is actually proven to > work, and then rewrite it… Ah, I thought it was further along than that. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.d

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 20 août 2012 à 18:12 +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit : > I don't think we should expect other developers to spend any large > amount of time to help with our own pet projects, except in so far as > they benefit 'our users and the free software community', which I take > to mean collective in

Re: can we (fully) release-goal decommissioning of trolls

2012-08-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 20 août 2012 à 21:35 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit : > >These people are the disease. They are toxic to the community and tend > > Why, thank you. I think that these people are a disease who are always > trying to drag down Linux to Windows level Thanks for this excellent example of the

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Philipp Kern writes: > Of course, if GNOME is unused one could just remove it completely from > those ports, but I doubt that your approach of "it's just a minute of > work to RM it" is welcomed. (Well, the maintainers would probably like > it, as long as there won't be bugs claiming that you hav

Re: can we (fully) release-goal decommissioning of trolls

2012-08-20 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:38:07PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: It seems the "desired" scenario for NM is that /e/n/i is empty Yes. This is actually what happens on usual setups (one interface, DHCP without any special options) upon NM installation. Well, until some weeks ago I never had a d

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi Ondřej. On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 14:57 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-php/php.git;a=commit;h=72eef08994f65b227103509617652d7c0bf0587a - You mention in the README.Debian now, that no other webserver likely used /etc/mime.types. Wasn't there someone who meant li

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 02:19:19PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Stephan Seitz writes: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 01:08:53PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Never mind wireless lan where you've got a well defined kernel API. Try to configure a modern 3G/LTE modem using ifupdown, and you will see the Is thi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 20 août 2012 09:31 CEST, Thomas Goirand  : >> I believe differences like that are not important, compare how gcc >> generate different binaries each time depending on parameters etc. >> However, if a minified file is shipped that cannot be re-created at all > >> (due to no minifier) I don't thi

Re: Enabling uupdate to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-20 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:39:34 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > Dpkg::Control::Hash - parse and manipulate a block of RFC822-like fields > > (libdpkg-perl) > How would you compare this to Jonas solution using > use Parse::DebControl; > ? Not sure how "official" my use of Dpkg::Control::Hash is, so

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 14:06 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:58:42AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > > But if anyone would lobby that (release goal: default to CGI/FCGI), > > they'd have definitely my support :) > A bit late for wheezy, do you mean for +1? Yeah,... of

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 20 août 2012 09:33 CEST, Thomas Goirand  : >> Other minifiers (like yui-compressor) are considered not >> reliable enough. > Sorry that I asked you about this before reading this. > > So, could you tell in what way yui-compressor isn't considered > not reliable enough? Does it crash? Or does it

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 09:02 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Maybe that's because it's expected they would be PHP scripts emitting > JPEG files, not plain JPEG files? This seems like a feature to me, not a > bug. Why was support for that removed? I think that's really wrong style then... Content ge

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Have you all minded that there are several *different* use cases? * Laptop user going here and there, sometimes with Wireless, sometimes with cable, sometimes with USB stick * Desktop user with home ADSL * Server with several connections Each use case has its own needs, and its own best tools.

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:41:15PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 18 août 2012 à 17:40 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit : > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:50:43 +0200, Josselin Mouette > > wrote: > > >Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the sake > > >of toy ports? > > >

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Monday 20 August 2012, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Ah, I see; it gets executed when there is no know handler or > mime-type for second extension. > > E.g. index.php.jpeg works as expected (e.g. returning PHP source > code), index.php.blubb but gets executed. I don't think there's any > harm in disabli

Bug#685421: ITP: xul-ext-fullscreen -- Fullscreen theme for iceweasel

2012-08-20 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel * Package name: xul-ext-fullscreen Version : 1.0.4 Upstream Author : Lewis Vail * URL : https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/fullscreen/ * License : MPL-1.1 Programming Lang: Mozilla/XUL Extension/T

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 20, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > But some sites accept file uploads with arbitrary names, perhaps > > expected to be a JPEG image, but actually named bar.php.jpeg and > > containing malicious server-side PHP which they could execute from the > > browser. > Don't Do That Then(TM). I see that

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 04:21:18PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 02:51:27PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > What I mean is that this still happens: > > > > # ifup eth0 > > ... > > # ifconfig eth0 down > > # ifup eth0 > > ifup: interface eth0 already configured > > > > People

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/20/2012 01:54 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > Please take over the netconf project and start implementing that > design in C, that would be much more productive than any new thread > about the current and previous deficiencies of NetworkManager. Or just file bugs against ifupdown, the (new) upstream

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:44:32PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 11 août 2012 à 15:38 -0400, Chris Knadle a écrit : > > systemd may seem better in /most/ cases because it does have some nice > > features, but I don't think it's better in *all* cases. systemd doesn't > > allow > >

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 02:51:27PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > What I mean is that this still happens: > > # ifup eth0 > ... > # ifconfig eth0 down > # ifup eth0 > ifup: interface eth0 already configured > > People talk about how ifupdown works well with other configuration > tools, unlike Netw

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 20/08/12 14:35, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 01:10:57PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: >> Yes it's possible some people rely on that behaviour, e.g. serving JPEG >> data from PHP scripts named like foo.php.jpeg. Sorry, I was wrong. For extensions like .jpeg with a known M

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 00:04 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:32:03 +0100 > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > 3) ifupdown integration is really bad > > > ifupdown is really a good framework, it offers hooks and and is > > > properly integrated in many packages. > > > i

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: >> Charles, did you test that or you base that claim on Christoph's >> mails? I have just tested both php5-cgi in standard configuration as >> recommended in README.Debian and this claim doesn't seem to be true: >> >> $ wget -q -O - http://lo

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Wise [2012.08.20.0154 +0200]: > Please take over the netconf project and start implementing that > design in C, Or get it working properly with Python, make use of the simplicity of interpreted languages until the design is actually proven to work, and then rewrite it… -- .''`

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 01:10:57PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > On 20/08/12 08:02, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:17:26AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > >> - In Squeeze, using default configurations, files with ".php" in their > >> name > >>such as "foo.php.jpeg"

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 02:57:10PM +0200, Ondřej Surý a écrit : > > I have prepared new update for PHP based on comments from d-d. The > commit is here: > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-php/php.git;a=commit;h=72eef08994f65b227103509617652d7c0bf0587a Hi Ondřej, many thanks for this wo

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:58:42AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > But if anyone would lobby that (release goal: default to CGI/FCGI), > they'd have definitely my support :) A bit late for wheezy, do you mean for +1? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org wit

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi all, [multiple messages from d-d and d-r merged together] > I am also concerned that a *simple* solution to restore the old > behaviour in a secure way is not provided: maybe php5-cgi should install > a sensible default configuration in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ ? I have prepared new update for PH

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stephan Seitz writes: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 01:08:53PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: >>Never mind wireless lan where you've got a well defined kernel API. Try >>to configure a modern 3G/LTE modem using ifupdown, and you will see the > > Is this something different from an UMTS usbstick? No. > I

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Steven Chamberlain
On 20/08/12 08:02, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:17:26AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >> - In Squeeze, using default configurations, files with ".php" in their name >>such as "foo.php.jpeg" are executed as PHP scripts by the Apache web >> servers >>runing PHP scripts

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 20, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 01:08:53PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: > >Never mind wireless lan where you've got a well defined kernel API. Try > >to configure a modern 3G/LTE modem using ifupdown, and you will see the > Is this something different from an UMTS usbstick?

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 01:08:53PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: Never mind wireless lan where you've got a well defined kernel API. Try to configure a modern 3G/LTE modem using ifupdown, and you will see the Is this something different from an UMTS usbstick? I plug it in, get a /dev/ttypUSB0 and

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Bjørn Mork
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 19:41 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: >> NM, as a design goal, is not supposed to be able to manage every >> possible configuration. > Well but then it shouldn't be kind of a default package. No it shouldn't. And it isn't either. gnome-core i

Re: Enabling uupdate to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 07:03:58AM -0400, James McCoy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:39:34AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:10:19AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > > > Next guess: > > > > > > Dpkg::Control::Hash - parse and manipulate a block of RFC822-like fields

Re: Enabling uupdate to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-20 Thread James McCoy
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:39:34AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:10:19AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > > Next guess: > > > > Dpkg::Control::Hash - parse and manipulate a block of RFC822-like fields > > (libdpkg-perl) > > How would you compare this to Jonas solution us

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 11 août 2012 à 15:38 -0400, Chris Knadle a écrit : > systemd may seem better in /most/ cases because it does have some nice > features, but I don't think it's better in *all* cases. systemd doesn't > allow > shutdown/reboot from within KDE4 In the beginning, ConsoleKit didn’t allow

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 18 août 2012 à 17:40 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit : > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:50:43 +0200, Josselin Mouette > wrote: > >Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the sake > >of toy ports? > > Because Debian prides itself in being Universal regarding ports and > architec

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Chris Knadle
On Monday, August 20, 2012 03:29:05, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 07:59:00PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > >Related note: I likewise repeatedly have confusion over how to deal with > >testing Network Status from within shell scripts for doing operations that > >require network acce

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:32:07AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: > If neither upstream, nor porters care about a particular package, that > means there are very little use of having it on that port, and one > should consider changing the Architecture line to exclude the failing > port. > > That's abo

Re: can we (fully) release-goal decommissioning of trolls

2012-08-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 19 août 2012 à 19:26 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer a écrit : > 1) In parts it has some security issues. > - At least the default setting seems to be that any user can connect to > any network. This is untrue. Any *physically logged on* user can connect to any network. For a desktop

Re: Bug#685186: IA64 (Itanium) Wheezy, ELILO installation failed, patch proposal

2012-08-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
Julien Cristau wrote: >On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 17:07:00 +0200, Stephan Schreiber wrote: > >> The failed command is in debian/elilo.sh: >> >> fstype=vfat >> >> mount -t "$fstype" -o >> codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,rw,noexec,umask=077$loop "$boot" >> "$TMP/bootstrap.$$" >> what is perfect t

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-20 Thread Gergely Nagy
Charles Plessy writes: > Le Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:13:23PM +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit : >> Michael Biebl writes: >> >> > If those ports need a GR to silence any criticsm regarding those ports, >> > then something is going seriously wrong. >> >> I've yet to see said criticism. > > In the abse

Bug#685363: ITP: impressive-editor -- Editor for Impressive presentation tool

2012-08-20 Thread 魏銘廷
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Yao Wei (魏銘廷)" * Package name: impressive-editor Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : Yao Wei (魏銘廷) * URL : https://github.com/medicalwei/impressive-editor * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: Python Description : E

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 20, Thomas Goirand wrote: > If it's that hard to produce a minified version, then shouldn't > we use the "normal" version? How much speed-up do we really No. > get anyway (my wild guess: not much...)? Very important, anybody who deals with web scalability knows that javascript minificati

Re: Enabling uupdate to simply remove files from upstream source

2012-08-20 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:10:19AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > > > I use ~dfsg by default, ~dfsg1 and bumping numbers for multiple > > > repackagings, and only +dfsg when the repackaging happens after a > > > non-repackaged version was released into Debian. > > > > > > Reason for this i

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/20/2012 03:34 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Other minifiers (like yui-compressor) are considered not > reliable enough. Sorry that I asked you about this before reading this. So, could you tell in what way yui-compressor isn't considered not reliable enough? Does it crash? Or does it produce b

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/20/2012 03:23 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote: > I believe differences like that are not important, compare how gcc > generate different binaries each time depending on parameters etc. > However, if a minified file is shipped that cannot be re-created at all > (due to no minifier) I don't think shi

Re: Enabling uupdate to simply remove files from upstream source (Was: Minified javascript files)

2012-08-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:32:28AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Well, uscan makes some use of system so this could work - but I hoped > > for a more Perl-ish solution (similar to the rfc822 reader in > > python-debian). > > Is this Perl-ish enough for you?: :-) > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > use

Re: can we (fully) fix/integrate NetworkManager (preferred) or release-goal its decommissioning

2012-08-20 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 07:59:00PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: Related note: I likewise repeatedly have confusion over how to deal with testing Network Status from within shell scripts for doing operations that require network access. As a "for instance" a common suggestion for keeping GPG keys u

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/19/2012 09:49 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > As for > verification, having the source next to the minified version does not > guarantee anything about the minified version Right, which is why we should build "from source" (eg: minify ourselves the javascript libs). > all the more that we > don

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:17:26AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > - In Squeeze, using default configurations, files with ".php" in their name >such as "foo.php.jpeg" are executed as PHP scripts by the Apache web > servers >runing PHP scripts through php5-cgi. Maybe that's because it's ex