On Mi, 11 iul 12, 00:08:18, David Kalnischkies wrote:
>
> Then please tell me what this code does:
> http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/apt/debian-sid/annotate/head:/apt-pkg/depcache.cc#L1103
>
> (and yes, minus refactoring and bugfixing, this code is older than the
> switch to enable installa
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> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
[…]
> It is a feature (which each user is free to avoid by not using it!)
> for Debian to include a meta-package that pulls in that vil n-m,
> not a bug.
… And what exactly this “feature” gives to the user?
[…]
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:38:59, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
>> On 2012-07-10 22:21, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>
>> > but maybe package managers should gain a
>> > "Install-New-Recommends" option defaulting to true?
> ^
>
>> Recommen
Le 10/07/2012 21:45, Tomasz Rybak a écrit :
> Thanks for extensive summary. I have one dimension to add to
> this table though: supported OpenCL versions.
> Currently Debian contains opencl-headers in version 1.2.
> Many programs when they encounter headers in particular
> version assume that they
Hi,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> No, I do not find it right for Debian to mandate meta-packages to only
> recommend when some users need only a subset of the offerings of said
> meta-package: There will _always_ be some users needing only a subset of
> things, rendering all dependencies "wrong" b
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:38:59, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> On 2012-07-10 22:21, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > but maybe package managers should gain a
> > "Install-New-Recommends" option defaulting to true?
^
> Recommends are installed by default for quite a time already.
Sure, but
On 12-07-10 at 10:07pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> On 2012-07-10 20:15, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > On 12-07-10 at 07:35pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> > > On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > > The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain
> > > > set of packag
On 12-07-10 at 08:16pm, Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
> > "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes:
> [...]
> >
> > Well, in case of GNOME, upstream considers n-m to be part of the
> > core system, to the best of my knowledge. If upstream does so, so
> > should we.
>
> No. That's why we have our own distr
Dnia 2012-07-01, nie o godzinie 00:44 +0200, Vincent Danjean pisze:
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> * at least, here is a summary of problems/warning for different combinaison of
> ICD *Loaders* used at compile-time (CT) and at run-time (RT)
> (problems with ICD compatibility themselves are not taken into account he
Nikolaus Rath writes:
> Gergely Nagy writes:
>> For the cases where one wants to have most of the stuff installed that
>> the meta-package would pull in, but not all, solutions already exist.
>
> What solutions do you mean?
Installing the pieces one wants by hand, for one. Automating that with
Nikolaus Rath writes:
> Gergely Nagy writes:
>> But, to cut the story short, attached to this mail is a script you can
>> use to take any metapackage, and remove (or demote) any of its
>> dependencies. It echoes a control-file thingy, combining it with equivs
>> is left as an excercise to the re
On 2012-07-10 22:21, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:07:10, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> >
> > ... And I disagree with that. No solution can override policy's "all
> > Depends must be satisfied". If one choose to support the "exclude from
> > metapackage" one either has to change the
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 22:07:10, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
>
> ... And I disagree with that. No solution can override policy's "all
> Depends must be satisfied". If one choose to support the "exclude from
> metapackage" one either has to change the policy, remove packages from
> Depends or use non-sto
> "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes:
[...]
>
> Well, in case of GNOME, upstream considers n-m to be part of the core
> system, to the best of my knowledge. If upstream does so, so should we.
No. That's why we have our own distribution instead of just a collection of
unpatched packages compiled from
> "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes:
[...]
> "Recommends
>
> This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency.
>
> The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together
> with this one in all but unusual installations."
...packages that would be found together with this one i
On Ma, 10 iul 12, 18:43:03, Gergely Nagy wrote:
>
> During the past ~14 years I've been using Debian with that setting
> turned off, nothing ever broke on my systems because of this setting. If
> it does, then I'll consider that a bug and report it appropriately.
Depending on how you do the packa
On 2012-07-10 20:15, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On 12-07-10 at 07:35pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> > On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set
> > > of packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only
> >
On 12-07-10 at 07:35pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set
> > of packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only
> > most) users of that package need all its dependencies
Gergely Nagy writes:
> For the cases where one wants to have most of the stuff installed that
> the meta-package would pull in, but not all, solutions already exist.
What solutions do you mean?
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Gergely Nagy writes:
> But, to cut the story short, attached to this mail is a script you can
> use to take any metapackage, and remove (or demote) any of its
> dependencies. It echoes a control-file thingy, combining it with equivs
> is left as an excercise to the reader.
If I'm not mistaken, th
On 12-07-10 at 06:34pm, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 18:10 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set
> > of packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only
> > most) users of that package need all its d
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 03:32:43PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
> > What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
> > match the "makes life easier for > XXX>" scenario you describe.
>
> Recommends is wrong for
Sune Vuorela writes:
> On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy wrote:
>> No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
>> guaranteed.
>
> There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
> recommends is one of them.
During the past ~14 years I've been using Debian with
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"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes:
> On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set of
>> packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only most)
>> users of that package need all its dependencies satisfied
>
> My defi
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:39:10PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> > No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
> > guaranteed.
>
> There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
> recommends is one of them.
Quite.
> T
Hello everybody,
perhaps people interested in discussing metapackages and Recommends can have a
look to the rejected DEP 6 and the associated thread.
http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep6/
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/12/msg00550.html
Have a nice day,
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On 2012-07-10, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> No. Only if installing recommends is turned on, which cannot be
> guaranteed.
There is many ways to break your system. turning off installation of
recommends is one of them.
That said, recommends is not to be used for metapackages. with
metapackages you want
"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes:
> On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
>> But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends does
>> that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not appropriate for
>> the task.
>
> Surely Recommends does pull stuff in.
No. Only if installin
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 18:10 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On 12-07-10 at 06:14pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> > On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> > > But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends
> > > does that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not
>
On 2012-07-10 18:10, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> The very purpose of a meta-package is to _ensure_ that a certain set of
> packages is installed, not just recommend them: All (not only most)
> users of that package need all its dependencies satisfied
My definition of meta-package is less strict th
On 12-07-10 at 06:14pm, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> > But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends
> > does that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not
> > appropriate for the task.
>
> Surely Recommends does pull stuff i
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On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 09:47 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:13:16PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > and also, as Philipp Kern noticed before, things that use N-M to
> > distinguish between online and offline modes will think they're offline
> > after uninstalling N-M until t
On 2012-07-10 16:18, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> But the purpose of the meta-package is to pull stuff in. Depends does
> that, Recommends does not, therefore Recommends is not appropriate for
> the task.
Surely Recommends does pull stuff in. It's clearly reflected in Debian
policy and supported by most
"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes:
> On 2012-07-10 15:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
>> > What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
>> > match the "makes life easier for > > XXX>" scenario you describe.
>>
>> Reco
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On 2012-07-10 15:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
> > What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
> > match the "makes life easier for > XXX>" scenario you describe.
>
> Recommends is wro
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 à 17:38 +0900, Miles Bader a écrit :
> What's wrong with Recommends: in that case? It seems to perfectly
> match the "makes life easier for XXX>" scenario you describe.
Recommends is wrong for metapackages because it gets upgrades very
wrong. This is why it is used very
Le mardi 10 juillet 2012 13:08:57, Russell Coker a écrit :
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, "Thomas Preud'homme" wrote:
> > When the flaws was exploited, then the attacker had sufficient access to
> > change e.g. EFI and could thus have done whatever nasty things he wanted
> > on the system. And as long as
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, "Thomas Preud'homme" wrote:
> When the flaws was exploited, then the attacker had sufficient access to
> change e.g. EFI and could thus have done whatever nasty things he wanted
> on the system. And as long as the system is not rebooted, nothing can
> prevent it to do so.
htt
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Le lundi 2 juillet 2012 18:42:13, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> Hey folks,
>
> As you might have seen from recent discussions about the Fedora and
> Ubuntu strategies for how to deal with EFI and Secure Boot, there are
> potentially major issues in the area. In Debian we don't (yet) have a
> plan, so
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:13:16PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> and also, as Philipp Kern noticed before, things that use N-M to
> distinguish between online and offline modes will think they're offline
> after uninstalling N-M until they are restarted.
You get this even with n-m installed, if n-
Félix Arreola Rodríguez writes:
> But, ignoring the "a desktop works fine without n-m" thing, n-m makes
> more, much more easy connecting to wifi networks, espeacially for
> laptops. I suggest make Laptop task depend on n-m, in this way, n-m
> don't get installed on desktop systems, just on laptop
Le 01/07/2012 00:44, Vincent Danjean a écrit :
> [Intel OpenCL SDK]: no public Debian packages (software not redistributable)
> * ICD Loader (support OpenCL 1.2): can be installed in Multi-Arch paths
> install libOpenCL.so
> shared library
> soname libOpenCL.so
> symbols n
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 07:33:59PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> OK, I misunderstood the problem. I thought the difficulty was to fire
> the screensaver on the behalf of the active user. Isn't the information
> about running a power management software available through DBus?
Hmm, that's actually
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