Hi,
On Wed, 02 May 2012, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> Not adding to the noise is reducing the noise. And especially telling
> people that you do not care about their arguments because you they are
> not insiders, which this is from some point of view, is the noise that
> makes an discussion in my eye
Hi all,
I think that we are asking the impossible, to be universal, cover a large
number of fields, and fit all of this in a single name space witout conflicts.
With our current approach, to rename at least one of the program names, we make
Debian systems incompatible with outside documentation a
On Thu, 3 May 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > All MTA bounce messages are just plain unreadable crap for the average
> > human on Earth, I'm afraid. For some of them, it's even worse than
> > Vogon poetry.
>
> IME this is true even after you translate it to the local language and dum
On Thursday, May 03, 2012 02:45:06 AM Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2012-05-02 20:23:41 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > >On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
> > >>
> > >> Jon Dowland wrote:
Holger Levsen (02/05/2012):
> *grin*
>
> btw, is the concept of numbers smaller than zero but not negative known/used
> anywhere outside of debian/dpkg?
Something like that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signed_zero
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Hi,
On Montag, 30. April 2012, Ralf Treinen wrote:
> Conflicts: foo (>= 0), foo (<< 0)
> to be exact, since versions smaller than 0 are possible.
*grin*
btw, is the concept of numbers smaller than zero but not negative known/used
anywhere outside of debian/dpkg?
cheers,
Holger
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Hi,
On Sonntag, 29. April 2012, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 07:03:11PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > The 500 packages that would have to change their Depends from "exim4 |
> > mta" to something else.
> The brokenness of having to have a default package hardcoded in
> every virt
On 05/03/12 02:16, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 02.05.2012 19:05, Martin Wuertele wrote:
>> I don't think this is a better example. Actually I think this is an
>> example where udev/mdev could launch/stop bluetoothd.
> Long running daemons should *not* be started by udev. udev is *not* a
> service man
On 2012-05-02 20:23:41 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> >On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
> >> Jon Dowland wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> >> >
Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
>> Jon Dowland wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
>> > > No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off!
>>
>> > If ex
On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
> Jon Dowland wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > > No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off!
>
> > If exim receives an 8 bit mail, even if it
On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 04:37:31, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Is this the right time to do it?
FWIW, de-selecting "standard system" tasksel option (at least when using the
netinstall .iso) results in an installation with no MTA.
On Wed, 02 May 2012, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> (slightly off-topic)
> Quoting Russell Coker (russ...@coker.com.au):
> > No, bouncing mail when it can't be properly delivered is much better than
> > violating RFCs.
> >
> > Mail that is bounced with a human readable message describing the real
>
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 06:43:04PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
>
> There's also http://packages.debian.org/#search_contents which can
> search for files listed within packages.
>
That's where I check.
Pat
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On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:22:05PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> Maybe we should short-circuit this part of the conversation, since it
> doesn't sound like you're horribly interested in agreeing to change the
> name of node in the existing package. :)
>
Actually, despite my vigorous defense of
Patrick Ouellette writes:
> I'm more than a bit disappointed that this will be the second time a ham
> radio tool in Debian is forced to use a name the wider Linux ham
> community does not use. No one seems to be considering the issues or
> complications caused to the ham users. I've heard the
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 05:53:54PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> Just a quick question - is there an easy way to do this? I worry
> sometimes that I might be creating a binary name that is already used
> somewhere, and thus a potential clash, but it is not obvious to me how
> to check. Strictly this appli
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 17:53 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Patrick Ouellette [2012-05-01 23:12 -0400]:
> > Of course the #! line is not the issue. The issue is two upstream
> > maintainers
> > separated by years and miles selected the same generic name for their binary
> > file. Compounding the issu
]] Wookey
> Just a quick question - is there an easy way to do this?
Given most names don't explain particularly well what the command does,
just use something inspired by pwgen.
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On 02.05.2012 19:05, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> I don't think this is a better example. Actually I think this is an
> example where udev/mdev could launch/stop bluetoothd.
Long running daemons should *not* be started by udev. udev is *not* a
service manager.
What udev should do is signal the init sy
(slightly off-topic)
Quoting Russell Coker (russ...@coker.com.au):
> No, bouncing mail when it can't be properly delivered is much better than
> violating RFCs.
>
> Mail that is bounced with a human readable message describing the real cause
> of the problem can then be re-sent once the proble
On Wed, 2 May 2012 17:53:54 +0100
Wookey wrote:
> +++ Patrick Ouellette [2012-05-01 23:12 -0400]:
> > file. Compounding the issue, some Debian Maintainer seeking to better the
> > project by packaging additional software for the project failed to perform
> > "due diligence" in researching if any
Wookey writes:
> Just a quick question - is there an easy way to do this? I worry
> sometimes that I might be creating a binary name that is already used
> somewhere, and thus a potential clash, but it is not obvious to me how
> to check. Strictly this applies to every file in a package, although
Russell Coker wrote:
[...]
> When you send 8 bit mail to a host that only supports 7 bit then it will be
> corrupted, usually without any notification of what happened - definitely
> silent corruption.
[...]
Have you really seen this happening in this century? Are there really
MTAs active in t
+++ Patrick Ouellette [2012-05-01 23:12 -0400]:
> Of course the #! line is not the issue. The issue is two upstream maintainers
> separated by years and miles selected the same generic name for their binary
> file. Compounding the issue, some Debian Maintainer seeking to better the
> project by p
* Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez [2012-05-01 23:07]:
> On 27/04/12 19:33, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > ]] Martin Wuertele
> >
> >> * Josselin Mouette [2012-04-27 09:53]:
> >>
> >>> Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 22:29 +0200, Svante Signell a écrit :
> > Yes of course, because event-driven init system
* Russ Allbery [120502 18:06]:
> I don't want technical decisions in this project to
> only be discussed by people who enjoy the noise.
That's why it is cruical to get the noise reduced. If in any discussion
there is a DD escalating the flames then there won't be any people with
technical argumen
"Bernhard R. Link" writes:
> * Russ Allbery [120501 18:18]:
>> David Bremner writes:
>>> "Bernhard R. Link" writes:
My suggestion to everyone feeling the need to tell anyone on a public
mailing list that they should shut up because they are no contributors
is thus: Please refrai
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
wrote:
> On Wed, 02 May 2012, Aron Xu wrote:
>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
>> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> >> Is this the right time to do it?
>> > No. Cron needs some
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On 2012-05-02, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> I'm also not seeing GNOME applications as file type handlers in
> Akregator (KDE application). So I'm not sure this is even 'just' a
> problem for text-mode applications.
I just tried to install 'gedit' to test it, and I can nicely now set
gedit as a handler
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 15:30 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just would like to warm up this thread a bit because I wonder if a
> solution would be found in time for Wheezy release. It seems nobody
> really seems to care about those suggested scripts and we are breaking a
> certain amount
> "PR" == Petter Reinholdtsen writes:
PR> You do not have to edit the init.d files themselves to override
PR> their dependencies, and risk them going away during upgrades. I
PR> created the possibility for the system administrator to insert
PR> overrides in /etc/insserv/overrides/ for just t
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 19:23 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Jon Dowland wrote:
> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > > Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
> >
> > Can you expand on "silently corrupted", here? Is that when you re-
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On 2012-05-02 14:49:09 +0200 (+0200), Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> On the other hand, if renaming both of them is the only possible
> outcome if both parties cannot agree, it makes it more likely both
> sides will actually be willing to discuss the matter, instead of
> just issuing demands, hoping the
Hi,
Ok, might we proceed with the console-tools removal for wheezy?
Bugs have been filed against the following packages:
#645937 goto-fai
#671079 hotkey-setup
#671081 hibernate
#671082 gcpegg
to move to kbd rather than console-tools.
regards
Alastair
On 2011-10-19 16:37, Sven Joachim wrote:
>
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Is this the right time to do it?
Wasn't this just recently discussed? Just replay the thread:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/10/msg00227.html
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Hi,
I just would like to warm up this thread a bit because I wonder if a
solution would be found in time for Wheezy release. It seems nobody
really seems to care about those suggested scripts and we are breaking a
certain amount of programs if mailcap entries are dropped without any
replacement.
On 02/05/2012 14:49, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Russ Allbery [120501 19:28]:
>> I have to admit that I'm tempted to change Policy from "if there's no
>> consensus, rename both of them" to "if there's no consensus, try harder to
>> reach a consensus, and the technical committee decides in last res
Hello,
On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off!
> If exim receives an 8 bit mail, even if it hadn't announced 8BITMIME
> in the EHLO response, it will relay that
* Russ Allbery [120501 18:18]:
> David Bremner writes:
> > "Bernhard R. Link" writes:
>
> >> My suggestion to everyone feeling the need to tell anyone on a public
> >> mailing list that they should shut up because they are no contributors
> >> is thus: Please refrain from any more posts to this
* Russ Allbery [120501 19:28]:
> I have to admit that I'm tempted to change Policy from "if there's no
> consensus, rename both of them" to "if there's no consensus, try harder to
> reach a consensus, and the technical committee decides in last resort."
>
> Most of the time, renaming both of them
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > It would be possible for a DKIM verification program to re-encode 7bit
> > messages to 8bit for a second attempt at verification. But if a DKIM
> > milter author was going to do tricky things then a better first option
> > would be to try removing an
On Wed, 02 May 2012, Aron Xu wrote:
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >> Is this the right time to do it?
> > No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
> > failures, etc,
On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 07:23:13 PM Russell Coker wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Jon Dowland wrote:
> > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > > Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
> >
> > Can you expand on "silently corrupted", here? Is that when you
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On Wed, 2 May 2012, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
>
> Can you expand on "silently corrupted", here? Is that when you re-encode
> the mail and send it on as 7-bit, or when you leave it al
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Is this the right time to do it?
>
> No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
> failures, etc, etc.
>
> On the other hand, going from a fu
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Is this the right time to do it?
>
> No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
> failures, etc, etc.
Indeed, some form of tight
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
Can you expand on "silently corrupted", here? Is that when you re-encode the
mail and send it on as 7-bit, or when you leave it alone and send it as 8 bit
to a host that doesn't ad
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off!
If exim receives an 8 bit mail, even if it hadn't announced 8BITMIME in
the EHLO response, it will relay that message verbatim to other hosts.
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On Wed, 2 May 2012, Riku Voipio wrote:
> It would be a RFC violation to just pass 8bit mails to servers not
> advertizing 8bitmime. It would be rfc compatible to the sending server
> to bounce instead of qp-converting 8bit mails, but that would arguably
> be even worse.
No, bouncing mail when it
Le dimanche 29 avril 2012 à 18:45 +0100, Roger Leigh a écrit :
> As a
> trivial example: systemd creates user session information in
> /run/user/$user . I brought up with lennart the fact that this would
> only permit one session per user. He rejected out of hand the fact
> that more than one se
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:18:07PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
> So just stop Postfix doing the conversion?
It's not just postfix, it's at least courier and sendmail and various
propiertary MTA's do conversions when encountering default configured
exims.
It would be a RFC violation to just pass 8b
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On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Is this the right time to do it?
No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
failures, etc, etc.
On the other hand, going from a full blown MTA like exim to something like
ssmtp or dma¹ would be a
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Is this the right time to do it?
>
Not sure whether it's the right time, but I'm sure it's something I've
been waiting for quite some time. :-)
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