On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Teemu Likonen wrote:
> * 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
>
> > stable = release
> > testing = current
> > unstable = development
>
> I like these. They describe the three distributions well and "current"
> might encourage more users than "testing". Advertising "co
> > 2) store output in a file, read it, then copy/paste on my MUA : you call
> > that user friendly ? ;)
>
> No, but it's a viable solution (and I heard several people are already
> doing similar stuff).
you could improve this and have it call sensible-browser
mailto:u...@example.com?subject=bug\
On 26 July 2010 03:32, Will wrote:
> Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
> Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
> they first install, so allowing to use some kind of HTTP interface
> would be very nice indeed.
I would really like to
Le 26/07/2010 01:01, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:49, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
then set the right permission on the config file and use smtppasswd
(man reportbug.conf for more info). You can also save the output from
reportbug on a file and send the report from anoth
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:49, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
>> then set the right permission on the config file and use smtppasswd
>> (man reportbug.conf for more info). You can also save the output from
>> reportbug on a file and send the report from another machine.
>>
>
> 1) store smtppasswd in
Le 26/07/2010 00:36, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:12, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
Le 26/07/2010 00:07, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Willwrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:22, Will wrote:
> 5, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will wrote:
>>> Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
>>
>> are you (and all the others asking for this) willing to help developing
5, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will wrote:
>> Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
>
> are you (and all the others asking for this) willing to help developing one?
>
>> Many new users find it difficult or unnecessar
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:12, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
> Le 26/07/2010 00:07, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
>>>
>>
>> are you (and all the others asking for thi
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:52:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:02:52 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum
> wrote:
> >On 22/07/10 at 14:22 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> >> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >> > > That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come
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Le 26/07/2010 00:07, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
are you (and all the others asking for this) willing to help developing one?
As a "PHP developper", I can help if nee
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will wrote:
> Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
are you (and all the others asking for this) willing to help developing one?
> Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
> they first install,
Coul
Russ Allbery writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow writes:
>
>> But you are right, if your suggestion is to undo this in prerm then
>> there will be a long delay between undoing and redoing. But if you fully
>> undo things then programs will still start, they just won't be able to
>> use hardware accel
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 06:54:45PM -0300, Maximiliano Curia wrote:
> Hola Christoph Anton Mitterer!
>
> El 22/07/2010 a las 23:13 escribiste:
> > Should we then perhaps do the same with nfs4-acl-tools?
>
> Isn't nfs4-acl-tools a set of transition tools to deal with nfsacl until the
> linux nfs cl
Hi Julien,
Am 25.07.2010 01:00, schrieb Julien Cristau:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 23:50:36 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 15:06 -0400, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> [...]
>>> and b.) IMHO reportbug-ng should be installed by the default
>>> desktop task.
>>
>> Yes, if it support
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Hi (again), here is another wishlist bug inspired by the current thread
on debian-devel.
As several people noticed, it is not at all obvious that reportbug
actually works very well without a local MTA or a smartho
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:11:46 -0700
Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:03:08AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Don Armstrong writes:
> > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> > >> You assume that users know that we're willing to take bug
> > >> reports.
>
> > > If you can
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:06:14AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
> > You assume that users know that we're willing to take bug reports.
>
> If you can come up with a good way to inform users of that without
> annoying users who already know that, by all means
* 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
> stable = release
> testing = current
> unstable = development
I like these. They describe the three distributions well and "current"
might encourage more users than "testing". Advertising "constantly
usable" and trendy "rolling release" would surely
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:03:08AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Don Armstrong writes:
> > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
> >> You assume that users know that we're willing to take bug reports.
> > If you can come up with a good way to inform users of that without
> > annoying users who a
Don Armstrong writes:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
>> You assume that users know that we're willing to take bug reports.
> If you can come up with a good way to inform users of that without
> annoying users who already know that, by all means do so. Otherwise,
> while I grant your po
Goswin von Brederlow writes:
> But you are right, if your suggestion is to undo this in prerm then
> there will be a long delay between undoing and redoing. But if you fully
> undo things then programs will still start, they just won't be able to
> use hardware accelerated GL and fallback to soft
Ian Jackson writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow writes:
>> Russ Allbery writes:
>>> Oh, huh, I hadn't thought of that. But wouldn't this cause the
>>> library to temporarily disappear, which would be contrary to the last
>>> paragraph of Policy 8.1? Am I being too conservative about that?
> Maybe.
> stable = release
> testing = current
> unstable = development
>
> (kind of copied from FreeBSD).
This.
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first install, so allowing to use some kind of HTT
Ian Jackson writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow writes ("Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] Moving diversions
> between packages"):
>> Russ Allbery writes:
>> > Ian Jackson writes:
>> > > Why not have the new package ship libGL.so.1 to a more specific filename
>> > > and create a symlink named libGL.so.1 by ha
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Using libproxy could help here.
(Sorry for top post android)
Bastien
Le 25 juil. 2010 14:11, "Don Armstrong" a écrit :
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
> From where does reportbug obtain that information? How does it cope
> with corporate installations...
Let's not make perfect the enem
Le 25/07/2010 15:19, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:09:48 +0200, Olivier Bonvalet
wrote:
I would like have an alternative and independent protocol (thought HTTP
for example), when we can't easily use MTA/SMTP.
Agreed, but HTTP is not the ultimative help. See corporate n
clone 590214 -1
reassign -1 debbugs
retitle -1 create a web-based submission for use with reportbug and possibly
everything
severity -1 wishlist
block -1 by 590214
thanks
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> That's why I've reported #590214. Would you like a similar
> (actually, block
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:19:15 +0200, "Hans-J. Ullrich"
wrote:
>Well, although I for myself like reportbug, IMO for new and unexperienced
>users it is too difficult. I am helping often unexperienced users with debian,
>and get a lot of feedback. As a better way for those users I think, the kind
>
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:06:14 -0700, Don Armstrong
wrote:
>Otherwise,
>while I grant your point, I don't see what I can or should do about
>it.
If I had a better idea, I would have written it down in the first
article.
Greetings
Marc
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:09:48 +0200, Olivier Bonvalet
wrote:
>I would like have an alternative and independent protocol (thought HTTP
>for example), when we can't easily use MTA/SMTP.
Agreed, but HTTP is not the ultimative help. See corporate networks
with a non-transparent proxy which is configu
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 14:20, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:10:37AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
>> > From where does reportbug obtain that information? How does it cope
>> > with corporate installations where the only means o
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:10:37AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
> > From where does reportbug obtain that information? How does it cope
> > with corporate installations where the only means of submitting mail
> > from a regular workstation is Notes or MAPI?
>
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
> From where does reportbug obtain that information? How does it cope
> with corporate installations where the only means of submitting mail
> from a regular workstation is Notes or MAPI?
Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good; there are all kinds of
se
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:29:20 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >What would probably be useful is if people like your friend who
> >didn't know about reportbug first were asked what steps they'd take
> >(or actually did take) to try to report bugs in the first p
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 05:39:19PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 22.07.2010, 23:14 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise:
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi
> > wrote:
> Debian contributors don't have to be Debian users at the beginning. They
> can come from Debian-de
Hi all!
Well, although I for myself like reportbug, IMO for new and unexperienced
users it is too difficult. I am helping often unexperienced users with debian,
and get a lot of feedback. As a better way for those users I think, the kind
of webinterface, which is kde using is the better and fr
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:03:04 -0500, Ron Johnson
wrote:
>On 07/24/2010 02:06 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> And then there is the (nowadays perceived) problem that reportbug needs a
>> working MTA setup or at least outgoing traffic on port 25/587. Both ports are
>> blocked on almost all my machines, s
Le 25/07/2010 11:53, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:08:28 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES
wrote:
For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user,
What's so hard about typing reportbug?
Greetings
Marc
It's dependent of a (good) local MTA configurat
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:26:47 +1000, Brian May
wrote:
>(curiously port 587 is blocked on some networks at work - might see if
>I can get that changed)
A lot of companies don't want their employees to send out mail without
going through their corporate mail servers for policy reasons. Some of
these
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:55:03 -0700, Don Armstrong
wrote:
>All reportbug requires is that you can connect to bugs.debian.org:587.
>You don't need anything else to be working at all.
For a lot of bigger installation, even this is expected too much.
You'll get that connection via a SoHo NAT router,
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:29:20 -0700, Don Armstrong
wrote:
>Perhaps not, but it's literally the very first thing listed on
>
>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
>
>which is linked from http://www.debian.org and the first result for
>reporting bugs in debian, and the second for debian bug.
>
>What
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:46:22 +0200, "Hans-J. Ullrich"
wrote:
>I suggest for this, to thinlk about other names, for example
>
>- stable = server
>
>- testing = desktop
>
>- unstable = super_modern
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
(kind of copied from FreeBSD).
Greetings
Goswin von Brederlow writes ("Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] Moving diversions between
packages"):
> Russ Allbery writes:
> > Ian Jackson writes:
> > > Why not have the new package ship libGL.so.1 to a more specific filename
> > > and create a symlink named libGL.so.1 by hand in its postinst ? That
> >
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:37:41 +0100, "Fuentes, Adolfo"
wrote:
>Well, then the problem I think is that people don't get to know what we all
>already know: That Debian is perhaps the best distro (in general terms). As
>Paul Wise commented, we need more promotion and more people creating
>screensho
Twas brillig at 11:53:28 25.07.2010 UTC+02 when mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de
did gyre and gimble:
>>For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe simpler
>>user,
MH> What's so hard about typing reportbug?
Lack of distributed global hypnoeducation which pre-fills users' minds wit
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:08:28 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES
wrote:
>For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
>simpler user,
What's so hard about typing reportbug?
Greetings
Marc
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:02:52 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum
wrote:
>On 22/07/10 at 14:22 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> > > That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come from?
>> >
>> > This idea is likely to get so much people against it
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:59:34 +0200
Sandro Tosi wrote:
> > SMTP send failure: (550, 'No valid sender found in the From:,
> > Sender: and Reply-to: headers'). Do you want to retry (or else save
> > the report and exit)??
>
> it seems highly unlikely, given the GTK+ UI it's just a graphical
> layer
Hi all,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:53, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:30:06 +0100
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
>> reportbug does have a GUI (Gtk-based) and a desktop file, but the GUI
>> requires python-gtk2 and python-vte which the reportbug package only
>> suggests. Maybe the GUI c
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:30:06 +0100
Ben Hutchings wrote:
> reportbug does have a GUI (Gtk-based) and a desktop file, but the GUI
> requires python-gtk2 and python-vte which the reportbug package only
> suggests. Maybe the GUI code and desktop file should be moved to a new
> package, reportbug-gtk
[Tim Clewlow]
> Winning a popularity contest just isn't one of my motivations.
>
> Cheers, Tim.
>
> PS - If you want to record how many people are using different
> things, then perhaps if the update servers record IP addresses and
> requested updates then this could give you more data as it does
On Du, 25 iul 10, 13:08:22, Tim Clewlow wrote:
>
> PS - If you want to record how many people are using different
> things, then perhaps if the update servers record IP addresses and
> requested updates then this could give you more data as it does not
> require a system has specifically installed
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On Sb, 24 iul 10, 18:03:04, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 07/24/2010 02:06 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >And then there is the (nowadays perceived) problem that reportbug needs a
> >working MTA setup or at least
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