On mer., 2010-05-26 at 08:29 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > It is not about whether dash can handle it or not. The bashisms
> don't come
> > from autoconf, the come from what the author's added to
> configure.in{,.in}.
>
> I beg to differ, at least some of them don't come from configure.*.
On mar., 2010-05-25 at 19:35 -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> > ./configure is a *generated* script too, if dash cannot handle it, dash
> > has to be crippled to let the other packages continue working. Unless
> > autoconf itself has already been patched to fix all of these issues when
> > regenera
On 05/26/2010 08:05 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm still feeling uneasy about this whole bash->dash thing. We sacrified
> a lot of usability in the name of POSIX compliance (only a minority of
> users care) and a few seconds spared during boot (who cares? I only boot
> my laptop for kerne
On Tue, 25 May 2010, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> And more false positives:
>
> possible bashism in ./configure line 44 ($BASH_SOMETHING):
> if test -z "$BASH_VERSION$ZSH_VERSION" \
> && (test "X`print -r -- $as_echo`" = "X$as_echo") 2>/dev/null; then
> possible bashism in ./configure line 367 (sh
On 25/05/10 at 23:10 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:13:36 -0500
> Raphael Geissert wrote:
>
> A much more sane list is in the bug report:
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=45;filename=failed-dash.txt;att=1;bug=582952
>
> 124 source packages. Bad, but not
Hi,
I'm still feeling uneasy about this whole bash->dash thing. We sacrified
a lot of usability in the name of POSIX compliance (only a minority of
users care) and a few seconds spared during boot (who cares? I only boot
my laptop for kernel upgrades).
Was is really the right path to follow? Woul
On 05/26/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> That works for now; but if a package upgrade for extlinux is ever
> downloaded, I'm afraid that new versions of the hook scripts will
> be copied into these directories which are marked executable, and
> my hand-made configuration file will get wiped
On Wed, 26 May 2010 03:46:40 +0200
Guillem Jover wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 18:38:26 -0500, Chris Silva wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Owner: Chris Silva
> >
> >
> > * Package name: png2ico
> > Version : 12.08.02-1
> > Upstream Author : Matthia
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> ... I installed the mbr package ...
>
> The extlinux package itself also contains an mbr.bin, which you can use
> (it's strong point is probably EBIOS support).
So it does. Well, I've now installed extlinux
Hi!
On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 18:38:26 -0500, Chris Silva wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Chris Silva
>
>
> * Package name: png2ico
> Version : 12.08.02-1
> Upstream Author : Matthias S. Benkmann
> * URL : http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico
Hi,
Given the recent responses I'm providing some more info, updates, and hints.
Raphael Geissert wrote:
> This doesn't necessarily mean that we are drowned by bashisms, as some of
> those may already be fixed by Debian- provided packages or might affect
> unused code
s/packages/patches/
> (bef
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> It would also be good to build all the archive (or all the affected
> packages) with and without LINENO support in dash, and then debdiff'ing
> them and check if they are equal or not.
A full archive rebuild was already done by Lucas (see the br against dash
for de
Am Tue, 25 May 2010 23:30:49 +0100
schrieb Stephen Gran :
> adduser has had bugs filed in the past asking for uid to be equal to
> gid by default, and I have so far rejected them as not worth the
> complexity for the aesthetic pleasure of having numbers match. Is
> there some problem with usernam
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
>>
>> 1. If your name is on the list at [2] please check at [3] the .dsc file
>> that
>> corresponds to the source packages you co-/maintain, review and fix. The
>> .dsc files contain checkbashisms' output.
>
Darren Salt wrote:
> I demand that Kurt Roeckx may or may not have written...
>
>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
>>> 1. If your name is on the list at [2] please check at [3] the .dsc file
>>> that corresponds to the source packages you co-/maintain, review and
Am Tue, 25 May 2010 22:47:51 +0200
schrieb Harald Braumann :
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09:35PM +0200, C. Gatzemeier wrote:
>
> > The
> > path into your home directory is not restricted, just as the path
> > others can take to ring your bell at home is not restricted.
>
> Depends on adduser
Neil Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:13:36 -0500
> Raphael Geissert wrote:
>
>> dash recently added support for the magic variable $LINENO, which was the
>> last piece to make it POSIX compliant. However, this change made the
>> autoconf- generated configure scripts use dash to execute
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51:30PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
>> > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/582952
>> > [2] http://people.debian.org/~geissert/source-bashisms/dd-list.txt
>>
>> That is just a list of all pa
>
>
>
> Original Message
>From: zlinux...@wowway.com
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-u...@lists.debian.org,
>debian-b...@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: Re (2): lilo removal in squeeze (or, "please test
>grub2")
>Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
>
>>On Tue, 25 May 2010
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:30:49PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Michael Banck said:
> > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09:35PM +0200, C. Gatzemeier wrote:
> > > 3) UID==GID was questioned to be a requrement, probably because it was
> > >seen that it isn't be enforced, b
The umask used to be (and should be again now) settable
centrally. (/etc/login.defs or /etc/default/login LSB?)
Setting the umask in /etc/profile and multiple other rc
files (instead centrally in login.defs) was only necessary while
pam_umask was not available, and to be depreciated.
All the tim
[Kurt Roeckx]
> I get alot of them that have:
> possible bashism in ./configure line 22 ($BASH_SOMETHING):
> elif test -n "${BASH_VERSION+set}" && (set -o posix) >/dev/null 2>&1; then
> possible bashism in ./configure line 147 ($BASH_SOMETHING):
> $as_unset BASH_ENV || test "${BASH_EN
Software AlfaPOS (Point of Sales)
Software AlfaPOS sudah terbukti sukses diimplementasikan diberbagai jenis
bisnis retail sejak tahun 2006.
Bidang usaha yang wajib menggunakan AlfaPOS :
- Swalayan/Minimarket/Supermarket
- Toko Komputer/HP/Elektronik/Kelontong/ATK/Buku/Fotokopi
- Toko Bangunan/Ke
On 25/05/10 23:13, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> Normally I would process the results and file the bug reports myself but I
> don't have and won't have time to do it any time soon. I've already tried to
> find some time yesterday and today to work on checkbashisms to come up with
> bug
> fixes[4],
This one time, at band camp, Kurt Roeckx said:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> >
> > 1. If your name is on the list at [2] please check at [3] the .dsc file
> > that
> > corresponds to the source packages you co-/maintain, review and fix. The
> > .dsc
> >
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D
I demand that Kurt Roeckx may or may not have written...
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
>> 1. If your name is on the list at [2] please check at [3] the .dsc file
>> that corresponds to the source packages you co-/maintain, review and fix.
>> The .dsc files con
This one time, at band camp, Michael Banck said:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09:35PM +0200, C. Gatzemeier wrote:
> > 3) UID==GID was questioned to be a requrement, probably because it was
> >seen that it isn't be enforced, but it can be of great help if you
> >are looking at a filesystem (
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On 2010-05-25, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> On 5/12/2010 1:22 PM, Marcus Better wrote:
>> Recently I got the advice [1] to set vm.swappiness to 0, rather than
>> the default 60. This improved things dramatically. Apparently Eclipse
>> is no longer being swapped out preemptively all the time. The
>> diff
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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
>
> 1. If your name is on the list at [2] please check at [3] the .dsc file that
> corresponds to the source packages you co-/maintain, review and fix. The
> .dsc
> files contain checkbashisms' output.
Is there some kind of doc
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:10:10PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:13:36 -0500
> Raphael Geissert wrote:
>
> A much more sane list is in the bug report:
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=45;filename=failed-dash.txt;att=1;bug=582952
>
> 124 source packages
On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:13:36 -0500
Raphael Geissert wrote:
A much more sane list is in the bug report:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=45;filename=failed-dash.txt;att=1;bug=582952
124 source packages. Bad, but not as crazy as 1,540.
(I've heard of off-by-one errors but off-by-
On 25/05/10 23:45, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> What about reverting this change in dash until after Squeeze is
> released? Now seem like a bad time to make thousand of packages in
> Debian fail to build from source. :)
See bug #582952.
Emilio
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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> 1. If your name is on the list at [2] please check at [3] the .dsc file that
> corresponds to the source packages you co-/maintain, review and fix. The
> .dsc
> files contain checkbashisms' output.
I get alot of them that have
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:51:30PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/582952
> > [2] http://people.debian.org/~geissert/source-bashisms/dd-list.txt
>
> That is just a list of all packages per person? It's li
On Tue, 25 May 2010 16:13:36 -0500
Raphael Geissert wrote:
> dash recently added support for the magic variable $LINENO, which was the
> last
> piece to make it POSIX compliant. However, this change made the autoconf-
> generated configure scripts use dash to execute the script's code. Without
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 23:45:56 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> What about reverting this change in dash until after Squeeze is
> released? Now seem like a bad time to make thousand of packages in
> Debian fail to build from source. :)
>
That's the plan, see #582952.
Cheers,
Julien
signa
> dash recently added support for the magic variable $LINENO, which was
> the last piece to make it POSIX compliant. However, this change made the
> autoconf- generated configure scripts use dash to execute the script's
> code. Without support for LINENO, configure scripts exec to bash
> automatica
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:13:36PM -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/582952
> [2] http://people.debian.org/~geissert/source-bashisms/dd-list.txt
That is just a list of all packages per person? It's listing
packages that have no shell script in it at all, and also
don't h
[Raphael Geissert]
> Hi everyone,
>
> dash recently added support for the magic variable $LINENO, which
> was the last piece to make it POSIX compliant. However, this change
> made the autoconf- generated configure scripts use dash to execute
> the script's code. Without support for LINENO, configu
Over the last two weeks I have been testing upgrades of Ada packages
from Lenny to Sid and Squeeze in a chroot. The picture is not as pretty
as it should be. In a nutshell, when you change /etc/apt/sources.list
from lenny to squeeze (unstable, actually) and do "aptitude update", you
end up with a
Hi everyone,
dash recently added support for the magic variable $LINENO, which was the last
piece to make it POSIX compliant. However, this change made the autoconf-
generated configure scripts use dash to execute the script's code. Without
support for LINENO, configure scripts exec to bash auto
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09:35PM +0200, C. Gatzemeier wrote:
> 3) UID==GID was questioned to be a requrement, probably because it was
>seen that it isn't be enforced, but it can be of great help if you
>are looking at a filesystem (removable drive) without knowing the
>corresponding p
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09:35PM +0200, C. Gatzemeier wrote:
> The
> path into your home directory is not restricted, just as the path
> others can take to ring your bell at home is not restricted.
Depends on adduser settings. Both, world readable and private home
directories are common.
> Al
Harald Braumann wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010:
>
> On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
> stuff -- it works quite well.
This is enough to use grub2 for new installing of Debian.
> On other systems it often breaks miserably. Updates leave my system
> unbootable every
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Description :
Hi,
am glad UPGs and the default umask finally got some momentum.
Technical issues below.
For anybody who has any doubt about UPGs or thinks it's insecure, here
is a explanation snippet from [0]:
~
(This should be true, but still needs the fixes from bel
From: Stephen Powell
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:42:34 -0400 (EDT)
> The backup people are Windows people, and they'd love an
> excuse to complain to management about the backup requirements
> of my Linux servers.
Implies that you don't have responsibility for
backing the Linux systems. Too b
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Am Tue, 18 May 2010 22:36:56 +0200
schrieb Christoph Anton Mitterer :
> Hi.
>
> AFAIK, even Chrome has disabled most tracking stuff per default
> (except those things which FF/etc. do too).
You may be raising a good point.
As it is now: the first thing firefox seems to do when it's run, is to
c
I demand that Helge Kreutzmann may or may not have written...
> Speaking both with my translator and my Debian Maintainer hat on, I can
> state the following:
> a) There are lots of "drive by" translators. Systems like launchpad or
>DDTP even *encourage* this. In this case, it is most likely
On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT), Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>>
>> You're missing the point. The main selling point to management
>> is that Linux is free.
>
> No software is entirely without cost. Free Software is no exception. There
> are usually no up-fro
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:51:11 -0400 (EDT), Mark
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote:
>>> Stephen Powell wrote:
(3) The need for special backup requirements will be
used by the opponents of Linux at my p
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Le dimanche 23 mai 2010 à 09:01 +0100, Neil Williams a écrit :
> On Sun, 23 May 2010 07:53:14 +0200
> Julien Valroff wrote:
>
> > The sources contain gettext translations, the copyrights and licences
> > of which are sometimes unclearly stated, eg:
>
> Nearly all packages with translations have
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote:
> > Stephen Powell wrote:
> >> (3) The need for special backup requirements will be
> >> used by the opponents of Linux at my place of employment
> >> to oppose further deployme
On Mon, 24 May 2010 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT), Peter Easthope wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> (3) The need for special backup requirements will be
>> used by the opponents of Linux at my place of employment
>> to oppose further deployments of Linux, ...
>
> What about the carrot approach? Find an
[Artur R. Czechowski]
> BTW, I'm doing also other changes in the package. So, changing the tarball
> is not an only purpose of new package release.
>
> Pro:
> To verify if tarball content is the same as upstream ones, one need
> to fetch both tarballs, unpack them and verify the checksum of each
Stephen Powell writes:
> Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>
>> Stephen Powell writes:
>>>
>>> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
>>> the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
>>
>> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
>
> It doe
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:22:13AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
> Speaking of documentation, that seems to be its main weakness.
> Documentation is sketchy and spread out over a number of different files.
> I would have had a hard time configuring it if it weren't for
> correct guesses bas
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 06:59:45AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> On 5/12/2010 1:22 PM, Marcus Better wrote:
> > Recently I got the advice [1] to set vm.swappiness to 0, rather than
> > the default 60. This improved things dramatically. Apparently Eclipse
> > is no longer being swapped out preemptiv
On Tue, 25 May 2010 07:08:20 -0400 (EDT), Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> William Pitcock wrote:
>> This bug *can* be fixed, but not without a significant rewrite of the
>> way that lilo's stage2 loader code works. Given that there is no
>> active upstream and that the Debian lilo package carrie
"Artur R. Czechowski" writes:
> Upstream of imms stopped to ship tar.gz file and ships only tar.bz2.
> However, there is no new upstream release at the moment. The question
> is: Shall I prepare new release of Debian package using tar.bz2
> tarball?
> There was a short discussion on #debian-dev
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Artur R. Czechowski wrote:
> Upstream of imms stopped to ship tar.gz file and ships only tar.bz2.
So they deleted existing tarballs and added new tar.bz2 tarballs?
> However, there is no new upstream release at the moment. The question is:
> Shall I prepare new
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> Stephen Powell writes:
>>
>> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
>> the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
>
> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
Well, I tried extlinux last night, and I am
On 5/12/2010 1:22 PM, Marcus Better wrote:
> Recently I got the advice [1] to set vm.swappiness to 0, rather than
> the default 60. This improved things dramatically. Apparently Eclipse
> is no longer being swapped out preemptively all the time. The
> difference in perceived responsiveness is spect
Hello,
Upstream of imms stopped to ship tar.gz file and ships only tar.bz2.
However, there is no new upstream release at the moment. The question is:
Shall I prepare new release of Debian package using tar.bz2 tarball?
There was a short discussion on #debian-devel, but there was no conclusion.
Po
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Hello,
On 05/23/2010 03:44 PM, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Darren Salt wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> Working fine here on i386, whether booting a stock kernel (testing with
>> 2.6.33 from experimental) or a custom kernel. I've not checked a stock kernel
>> on amd64 for some time now, but I've seen no problem
Le mercredi 12 mai 2010 à 21:22 +0200, Marcus Better a écrit :
> Recently I got the advice [1] to set vm.swappiness to 0, rather than
> the default 60. This improved things dramatically. Apparently Eclipse
> is no longer being swapped out preemptively all the time. The
> difference in perceived res
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Dorian
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Lice
Personally I base my splitting on lintian's warning.
The package has a significant amount of architecture-independent data
(over 4MB, or over 2MB and more than 50% of the package) in /usr/share
but is an architecture-dependent package. This is wasteful of mirror
space and bandwidth since it m
On 25/05/2010 10:00, Harald Braumann wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
(4) Users need to test grub2 now.
I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
systems with mixed success.
[snip]
Because of this, coupled with the many ope
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org:
> reassign 582968 general
Bug #582968 [sound] running apps that have sound cause system to hang
Warning: Unknown package 'sound'
Bug reassigned from package 'sound' to 'general'.
> --
Stopping processing here.
Please contact me if you need assistan
Hi,
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> (4) Users need to test grub2 now.
I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
systems with mixed success.
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite wel
Le samedi 22 mai 2010 à 08:43 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
> | I don't see what you mean by "iffy" tabbed browsing, what's wrong with
> | tabbed browsing in Epiphany?
>
> For me, at least two things:
>
> - C-TAB/C-S-TAB doesn't work for switching tabs, I have to use
> C-PgUp/PgDn.
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