Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Ben Finney
Mike Bird writes: > Those of us who actually administer Linux systems realize that the > proponents of this change are (a) way out of their depth so that (b) > they cannot forsee the consequences of their actions yet (c) they have > the power to carry their actions through and (d) they haven't li

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Mike Bird] > Those of us who actually administer Linux systems realize that the > proponents of this change are (a) way out of their depth so that (b) > they cannot forsee the consequences of their actions yet (c) they > have the power to carry their actions through and (d) they haven't > listene

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Mike Bird
On Thu May 20 2010 07:24:16 Michael Banck wrote: > The problem is that most of your mails started with "OMG Debian will > compromise security, you all suck" or a paraphrasing thereof, so most > people didn't bother to read your mails in full and never actually read > a reasonable argument why the d

Re: Who owns /var/log/lighttpd?

2010-05-20 Thread Paul Wise
Probably the solution to that bug is to read the user from the lighttpd configuration instead of hard-coding it. lighttpd -p can probably help here. Not sure how you would parse the output though. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@li

Bug#582473: ITP: haskell-vector -- Efficient Arrays for Haskell

2010-05-20 Thread Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva" * Package name: haskell-vector Version : 0.6.0.1 Upstream Author : Roman Leshchinskiy * URL : http://code.haskell.org/vector * License : BSD Programming Lang: Haskell Description : E

Re: Parallellizing the boot in Debian Squeeze - ready for wider testing

2010-05-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Monday 10 May 2010 09:24:59 Steve Langasek wrote: > And you don't have to use an initramfs; the same result could be achieved > with a shim init on the root filesystem that does nothing but set up the > SELinux context correctly and then exec upstart. That's what I did years ago when we first s

Re: Parallellizing the boot in Debian Squeeze - ready for wider testing

2010-05-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Sunday 16 May 2010 03:35:09 Steve Langasek wrote: > Given the difference in how kernels vs. init daemons are usually > administered as part of a system, I think the runtime impact of supporting > multiple LSMs in init is much more significant than supporting multiple > LSMs in the kernel. I don

Work-needing packages report for May 21, 2010

2010-05-20 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 598 (new: 1) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 122 (new: 2) Total number of packages request

Bug#582470: ITP: haskell-primitive -- Wrappers for primitive operations

2010-05-20 Thread Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva" * Package name: haskell-primitive Version : 0.3 Upstream Author : Roman Leshchinskiy * URL : http://code.haskell.org/primitive * License : BSD Programming Lang: Haskell Description :

Re: Open then gates

2010-05-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Saturday 15 May 2010 22:07:44 Robert Klotzner wrote: > There is a reason why things like selinux are developed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discretionary_Access_Control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_access_control Yes. The design of Unix permissions is based on the DAC principle, al

Re: APT do not work with Squid as a proxy because of pipelining default

2010-05-20 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 03:28:00PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Pierre Habouzit writes: > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:42:55AM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > > >> 2) http proxy servers cannot always process pipelined requests due to > >>the complexity this adds (complexity is always bad for securi

Re: Bug#580814: Parallellizing the boot in Debian Squeeze - ready for wider testing

2010-05-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Friday 14 May 2010 23:25:37 Scott James Remnant wrote: > > Or just have per-user cgroups that a process is moved into when > > logging in, see libpam-cgroup for something that does this. > > > > > > Then getty would respawn the second you login, stealing the controlling > terminal from bash.

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Roger Lynn
On 19/05/10 22:20, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > btw: What happened to the idea of movin umask completely away from > /etc/profile? > I mean regardless of the discussion about UPGs and which value is the > "best" default for umask, I found it to be a good idea to drop it there. This is a good

Sus Eventos Especiales en La Casona del Pollo

2010-05-20 Thread La Casona del Pollo
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Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Roger Leigh writes: > On 20/05/2010 18:30, Russ Allbery wrote: >> You can't move the static reserved space: it contains statically >> assigned UIDs. :) That's the whole point of it. We could change >> where we're assigning future static UIDs and GIDs from, but I'm not >> sure it's worth the ef

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On 20/05/2010 20:43, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 08:31:36PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: Do we have any actual users of this space? I didn't see anything in Policy. Is there a central database listing the assignments? If so, where may it be found? /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/R

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On 20/05/2010 20:44, Bastien ROUCARIÈS wrote: "Roger Leigh" a écrit : The main justification I would have for this change is that keeping the old 16-bit-constrained assignments fragments the 32-bit range space unnecessarily. For checks such as being discussed, having a contiguous user range

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Bastien ROUCARIÈS
"Roger Leigh" a écrit : >On 20/05/2010 18:30, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Roger Leigh writes: >> >>> If all current Debian systems support a 32-bit UID and GID range, then >>> it would be great if we could amend Policy to move the reserved ranges >>> to the end of the 32-bit range rather than bein

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 08:31:36PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > Do we have any actual users of this space? I didn't see anything in > Policy. Is there a central database listing the assignments? If > so, where may it be found? /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/README > The main justification I would h

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On 20/05/2010 18:30, Russ Allbery wrote: Roger Leigh writes: If all current Debian systems support a 32-bit UID and GID range, then it would be great if we could amend Policy to move the reserved ranges to the end of the 32-bit range rather than being at the end of the 16-bit range. This woul

Who owns /var/log/lighttpd?

2010-05-20 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi, Please CC me, I'm not on the list. Who owns /var/log/lighttpd? Lighttpd (running as www-data) expects to be able to create files in this dir, so the dir is owned by www-data. What is the recommended way to chown this? Chown manually in postinst? In the init script? Is there any support for th

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Roger Leigh writes: > If all current Debian systems support a 32-bit UID and GID range, then > it would be great if we could amend Policy to move the reserved ranges > to the end of the 32-bit range rather than being at the end of the > 16-bit range. This would give a vast contiguous user range

Bug#582420: ITP: libpod-elemental-perlmunger-perl -- Perl module that rewrites Perl documentation

2010-05-20 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ansgar Burchardt Owner: Ansgar Burchardt * Package name: libpod-elemental-perlmunger-perl Version : 0.093330 Upstream Author : Ricardo SIGNES * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Pod-Elemental-PerlMunger/ * License : Art

Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining

2010-05-20 Thread Ryan Oram
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Fabian Greffrath wrote: > I don't see what you mean by "iffy" tabbed browsing, what's wrong with > tabbed browsing in Epiphany? And regarding Javascript, I have never > experienced the issues you describe. Are you sure you are using the latest > packages (i.e. brow

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 02:34:30PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Thu, 20 May 2010, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, 20 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > So I agree that the sane thing to do here is, at least, to use the > > > same default range as /etc/adduser.conf (which in

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 09:48:41PM +, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:22:04 -0600, Aaron Toponce > > wrote: > > You've only mentioned that SSH won't operate if the write bit is set on > > the keys or anything under the ~/.ssh/ directory. Can you explain how an > > ssh

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 02:34:30PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > But for now, current policy says UIDs over 3 are "reserved", which means > they might or might not be "ordinary user accounts". > > Those who do not use "adduser" because "they know that they are doing" > will surely be able to c

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Harald Braumann wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 03:40:06PM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Harald Braumann wrote: >> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:08:17AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: >> >> On 2010-05-18, Christoph Anton Mitterer

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Marvin Renich
* Bastien ROUCARIES [100520 08:30]: > reopen 315089 > thanks > > Closed by maintener and reopened, if we use libpam for umask it could > be even raised to RC critical, so please correct this behavior, report > upstream. I agree that it could be misleading for other distro in this > case, please a

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/20/2010 07:34 AM, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/19/2010 05:36 PM, jaromil wrote: * Package name : dirsum Description: Dirsum is a command line tool to assist sorting out which directories in a filesystem contain the most bytes. It will sort all of

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 20 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote: > > So I agree that the sane thing to do here is, at least, to use the > > same default range as /etc/adduser.conf (which in turn is the range > > defined by policy). > > > > I've just modified base-f

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/19/2010 05:36 PM, jaromil wrote: >> * Package name : dirsum >> Description: Dirsum is a command line tool to assist sorting out which >> directories in a filesystem contain the most bytes. It will sort >> all of the subdirectories of a selected path

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On 20/05/2010 13:41, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > Why not? What speaks against using: > > du -h | sort -h > > I think its suitable for that purpose. Wow, thanks, I didn't know that. It doesn't exist in lenny coreutils, so I guess it's not so old. You made my day :) Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis --

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
reopen 315089 thanks On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Marvin Renich wrote: > * Aaron Toponce [100517 13:05]: >> On 05/17/2010 10:49 AM, Harald Braumann wrote: >> > from pam_umask's description of the usergroups option: >> > >> > If the user is not root, and the user ID is equal to the group ID,

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > So I agree that the sane thing to do here is, at least, to use the > > same default range as /etc/adduser.conf (which in turn is the range > > defined by policy). > > > > I've just modified base-files accordingly to use the UID range 1000-2. >

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/20/2010 06:42 AM, Mika Pflüger wrote: Hi, Am Thu, 20 May 2010 12:05:50 +0200 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez: On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: hat does this do that existing tools don't? $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur not sure dirsum can

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Michal Politowski
On Thu, 20 May 2010 06:07:20 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/20/2010 05:05 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > >On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>hat does this do that existing tools don't? > >> > >>$ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 > >>131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur > > > >not s

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
On Thursday 20 May 2010 13:07:20 Ron Johnson wrote: > Eh? > > Filters and do-one-thing-well utilities are The Unix Way. Fully agree on that! If one wants a do-everything-software can always use windows. -- Salvo Tomaselli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 20 May 2010 00:22:02 +0200 (CEST), Santiago Vila wrote: > If an admin which runs out of UIDs in his system modifies > /etc/adduser.conf, will he remember to modify the upper bound in > /etc/profile as well? If these changes are going to be permanent and the discussion about them has been a

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Mika Pflüger
Hi, Am Thu, 20 May 2010 12:05:50 +0200 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez : > On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: > > hat does this do that existing tools don't? > > > > $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 > > 131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur > > not sure dirsum can do that either, but it's

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:05:50PM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: > > hat does this do that existing tools don't? > > > > $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 > > 131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur > > not sure dirsum can do that either, but it's pa

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/20/2010 05:05 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: hat does this do that existing tools don't? $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur not sure dirsum can do that either, but it's painful that du itself can't sort, sin

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 20 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote: > So I agree that the sane thing to do here is, at least, to use the > same default range as /etc/adduser.conf (which in turn is the range > defined by policy). > > I've just modified base-files accordingly to use the UID range 1000-2. I'm not su

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: > hat does this do that existing tools don't? > > $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 > 131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur not sure dirsum can do that either, but it's painful that du itself can't sort, since you can't use du -h before piping to sort.

Bug#582370: ITP: netexplorer -- Gnome/Gtk Network animation tool

2010-05-20 Thread syq
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: syq * Package name: netexplorer Version : 1.1a Upstream Author : Andrey Churin * URL : http://code.google.com/p/ns-3-shop/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C++ Description : Gnome/Gtk Network animation tool

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 19/05/2010 23:22, Santiago Vila wrote: > > On Wed, 19 May 2010, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > > On 19/05/10 18:25, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > For the record: I've changed the umask setting in /etc/profile to this: > > > > > > > > if [ "`id -u`" -ge 100

Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining

2010-05-20 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Am 18.05.2010 18:02, schrieb Ryan Oram: Epiphany has iffy tabbed browsing support and the Javascript engine is incomplete (I can't edit posts on many forums for example). It's a great browser and should be worked on, but we should take as many avenues as possible. I don't see what you mean by "

Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary

2010-05-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/19/2010 05:36 PM, jaromil wrote: Package: itp Severity: wishlist Version: 0.4; * Package name : dirsum Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Dirk Bartley * URL: http://code.dyne.org/?r=dirsum * License: GNU GPL Description: Dirsum is a command line tool to assist sorting out which directories i

Bug#582359: ITP: histwi -- Histwi is a program for Twitter account management

2010-05-20 Thread Bilal Akhtar
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bilal Akhtar * Package name: histwi Version : 0.5.3 Upstream Author : Nikolay Blohin * URL : https://launchpad.net/histwi * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: Python Description : Histwi is a program for Twitter a

Bug#582357: ITP: ocs -- Open Conference Systems: scholary conference management system

2010-05-20 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thijs Kinkhorst * Package name: ocs Version : 2.1.2-1 Upstream Author : Public Knowledge Project * URL : http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ocs * License : GPL2 or later Programming Lang: PHP Description : Open Conference Syste