In article <200812241947.08458.danc...@spnet.net> you wrote:
> Hm, Nix seems to be born in academia, and based on by someone's PhD thesis,
> so
> there might be some good ideas to consider out of it, but the whole story
> smells like the promoter is trying to sell mercedeses to Daimler (i.e.
>
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Johan Henriksson
* Package name: libjinput-java
Version : 0.0.20081224
Upstream Author : Jeff Kesselman et al
* URL : https://jinput.dev.java.net/
* License : BSD3
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Description : portable
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Julian Andres Klode
* Package name: hardlink
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* License : MIT
* Programming Lang: Python (>= 2.5)
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Hi there. As I'm sure everyone knows, I'm not exactly unbiased here
since I've done a lot of work on the apt system (although nix looks more
like a replacement for dpkg).
This is the same package manager that was posted on lambda-the-ultimate
a while back, right? Since you didn't provide a l
On 12/24/08 10:55, Drake Wilson wrote:
Quoth Artyom Shalkhakov , on 2008-12-24 17:17:28
+0600:
It looks like you completely misunderstood the idea, so lurk before
you post. Thanks.
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On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:55:20 Steve Kemp wrote:
> > > Yes, you are probably right: I don't understand how Nix may be useful
> > > for Debian (and for GNU/Linux also).
> >
> > That's too bad for you. Shallow thinking doesn't get you anywhere.
>
> As promoter/recommender surely the onus is
> > Yes, you are probably right: I don't understand how Nix may be useful for
> > Debian (and for GNU/Linux also).
>
> That's too bad for you. Shallow thinking doesn't get you anywhere.
As promoter/recommender surely the onus is upon you to demonstrate:
1. Nix is good.
2. Nix is better
Hi.
2008/12/24 Artyom Shalkhakov :
>> Well, as I see, it uses it's own package format, which is
>> wrapper-description around everything - source, deb or rpm. Does it
>> really have any sense?
>
> "Every problem in computer science can be solved by adding
> a layer of indirection", as the saying g
Quoth Artyom Shalkhakov , on 2008-12-24 17:17:28
+0600:
> It looks like you completely misunderstood the idea, so lurk before
> you post. Thanks.
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Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
> 2008/12/24 Eugene V. Lyubimkin :
>> Which means that "find all dependencies with no exceptions" is not true.
>
> This is how Nix developers put it:
>
>> Runtime dependencies are found by scanning binaries for the hash parts
>> of Nix store paths (such as r8vvq9kq…). Thi
Sorry, I forgot about the debian-devel for the second time. :(
-- Forwarded message --
From: Artyom Shalkhakov
Date: 2008/12/24
Subject: Re: Adoption of Nix?
To: Всеволод Величко
Hi Vsevolod,
2008/12/24 Всеволод Величко :
> Well, as I see, it uses it's own package format, wh
Sorry, I forgot to forward this to debian-devel.
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From: Artyom Shalkhakov
Date: 2008/12/24
Subject: Re: Adoption of Nix?
To: "Eugene V. Lyubimkin"
2008/12/24 Eugene V. Lyubimkin :
> Which means that "find all dependencies with no exceptions" is not true.
Hi,
On Sat, 15.11.2008 at 08:49:12 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> On some systems like OpenBSD, all those users are starting with
> underscore to avoid collision with real users. On Debian, I have never
> seen this, even for packages that comes from OpenBSD (like openntpd
> which
Hello.
While I was writing, Josselin Mouette said almost all I wanted to say,
but I'll add a little :)
2008/12/24 Artyom Shalkhakov :
>>> The claims that I think are valuable are:
>>> - *all* dependencies of a package are automatically found by Nix,
>>> no exceptions,
>> Hmm... Nix probably use
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> If you want to do something useful, I suggest that you grab the
> interesting ideas from nix (like binary deltas) and propose patches for
> APT to implement them.
Debian already has binary deltas (debdelta), but it isn't well
integrated
Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
>> Hmm... Nix probably use libastral, doesn't it? Even for C/C++ programs there
>> is no way to 100% automatically determine entire list of runtime
>> libraries/tools needed for some particular program (consider runtime library
>> opening and all non-library dependencies).
Am Mittwoch, 24. Dezember 2008 schrieb Michael Tautschnig:
Good morning
> [...]
>
> > - New features:
>
> [...]
>
> > support for realtime mount options
>
> I think this^ was meant to be "relatime", and it is a single mount
> option.
Yes. Sorry it's my fault. I thought it was a typo and c
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 17:17 +0600, Artyom Shalkhakov a écrit :
> > It has nothing to do with our apt infrastructure, it doesn't
> > understand it and invented its own wheel. I think no way for Nix in Debian.
> > We
> > have excellent dpkg, we have not-so-excellent, but rather good apt, an
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 05:17:28PM +0600, Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
> It looks like you completely misunderstood the idea, so lurk before
> you post. Thanks.
You can't post a two-sentence summary of a new package manager to
debian-devel, say "discuss" and then shoot down replies by claiming the
per
Hi Eugene,
2008/12/24 Eugene V. Lyubimkin :
>> The claims that I think are valuable are:
>> - *all* dependencies of a package are automatically found by Nix,
>> no exceptions,
> Hmm... Nix probably use libastral, doesn't it? Even for C/C++ programs there
> is no way to 100% automatically determi
Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
> Hello,
Hello,
>> Nix is a purely functional package manager. It allows multiple
>> versions of a package to be installed side-by-side, ensures that
>> dependency specifications are complete, supports atomic
>> upgrades and rollbacks, allows non-root users to install soft
Am Dienstag, den 23.12.2008, 17:37 +0100 schrieb Michelle Konzack:
> Am 2008-12-22 14:37:58, schrieb Paul Wise:
> > I note that Ubuntu has more than an order of magnitude more popcon
> > submitters:
>
> Because it is installed and activated by default...
> (At least on the Machine I have installed
[...]
> - New features:
[...]
> support for realtime mount options
I think this^ was meant to be "relatime", and it is a single mount option.
[...]
Thanks for the great work,
Michael
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Hello,
Cite from the homepage:
> Nix is a purely functional package manager. It allows multiple
> versions of a package to be installed side-by-side, ensures that
> dependency specifications are complete, supports atomic
> upgrades and rollbacks, allows non-root users to install software,
> and
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