Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-27 Thread Simon Josefsson
Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> With Gnus+Mailcrypt, I was unable to vote with a signed but not >> encrypted ballot. The voting daemon claimed that there was some >> kind of quoted-printable problem. This surprised me: Gnus and >> Mailcrypt ha

Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-27 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With Gnus+Mailcrypt, I was unable to vote with a signed but not > encrypted ballot. The voting daemon claimed that there was some > kind of quoted-printable problem. This surprised me: Gnus and > Mailcrypt have not caused problems for me with any previous >

Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Ben Pfaff wrote: However, this is the only ballot I recall containing non-ASCII characters, which could be the cause. Ahhh, this is a typical cause of problems. So we have three chances: 1) fix software that interprets incoming mails 2) issue an alternate ballot wher

Re: many rejects (Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007)

2007-03-27 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:56:23 +0200 Bart Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 07:43 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > The relation between Rejects and Voters is currently the highest we > > ever had. I'm just asking whether we need some technical improvement > > here becaus

Re: Poll: Anybody using debpool?

2007-03-27 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 01:42, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2007, 23:41 +0100 schrieb Magnus Holmgren: > > DebPool is a Debian package archiver written in Perl by Joel Aelwyn > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Like mini-dinstall it's a lightweight replacement > > for "the real deal" that

Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-27 Thread Ben Pfaff
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The relation between Rejects and Voters is currently the highest we > ever had. I'm just asking whether we need some technical improvement > here because I personally add a count of three to the rejects and > have no idea how to vote successfully. With

Re: Poll: Anybody using debpool?

2007-03-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Just a suggestion: Ask him to create a project on alioth and add you to > the project. The last time I heard of him, he didn't want to let debpool > die, but lacked time. Did you try to contact him directly? > > > I could of course fork it (except that

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 06:43:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: > > >> The maintainer is not MIA, but does not actively develop anymore. > > > Packages like this should have a message to the current maintaine

Re: many rejects (Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007)

2007-03-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Bart Martens wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 07:43 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: The relation between Rejects and Voters is currently the highest we ever had. I'm just asking whether we need some technical improvement here because I personally add a count of three to the reject

many rejects (Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007)

2007-03-27 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 07:43 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > The relation between Rejects and Voters is currently the highest we > ever had. I'm just asking whether we need some technical improvement > here because I personally add a count of three to the rejects and > have no idea how to vote succes

Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Debian Project Secretary wrote: === |||Total # of| |Valid|Unique|Rejects|| Multiple || ||Year|Developers|Quorum|Votes|Voters| |% Voting| of Quorum|| ---

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: >> The maintainer is not MIA, but does not actively develop anymore. > Packages like this should have a message to the current maintainer with > a proposal to co-maintain or orphan+adopt followed by an ITH (int

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: > The maintainer is not MIA, but does not actively develop anymore. Packages like this should have a message to the current maintainer with a proposal to co-maintain or orphan+adopt followed by an ITH (intent to hijack) if there is no response within a re

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Charles Plessy
d Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 02:19:45PM -0400, Matthias Julius a écrit : > "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Automatically orphaning such packages has problems as Russel pointed out, > >but a "needs co-maintainers"/"needs hijacking" list of packages where > >DD's

Re: Poll: Anybody using debpool?

2007-03-27 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2007, 23:41 +0100 schrieb Magnus Holmgren: > DebPool is a Debian package archiver written in Perl by Joel Aelwyn > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Like mini-dinstall it's a lightweight replacement > for "the real deal" that manages Debian's package archive, but unlike > mini-dinstal

Poll: Anybody using debpool?

2007-03-27 Thread Magnus Holmgren
DebPool is a Debian package archiver written in Perl by Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Like mini-dinstall it's a lightweight replacement for "the real deal" that manages Debian's package archive, but unlike mini-dinstall it uses a full pool layout. The current version is 0.2.3 and it's in the

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This proposal strikes me as being similar to some of the push for team > maintained packages - we need to be careful to avoid focusing so much on > the metrics we're using to measure quality of maintenance that we end up > optimising them without getting an

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But then what happens in the case (that was already pointed out) where a > bug languishes without attention for a year or more, someone NMUs to fix > the bug and the mainainer immediately uploads to revert the NMU? It > seems that there needs to be

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 03:06:17PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > But then what happens in the case (that was already pointed out) where a > bug languishes without attention for a year or more, someone NMUs to fix > the bug and the mainainer immediately uploads to revert the NMU? It > seems t

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 02:19:45PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Automatically orphaning such packages has problems as Russel pointed out, > >but a "needs co-maintainers"/"needs hijacking" list of packages where > >DD's ca

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Matthias Julius may or may not have written... > Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> And almost every laptop comes with wired and wireless interfaces. > I almost wrote that myself, but they have different names and dont > compete for numbers. It depends on which driver is

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Warren Turkal
On Tuesday 27 March 2007 11:55, Matthias Julius wrote: > I almost wrote that myself, but they have different names and dont > compete for numbers. That's not necessarily true. My IPW2200 has eth2 on my laptop. wt -- Warren Turkal, Research Associate III/Systems Administrator Colorado State Unive

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Matthias Julius
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Automatically orphaning such packages has problems as Russel pointed out, >but a "needs co-maintainers"/"needs hijacking" list of packages where >DD's can be more aggressive in jumping/taking over in seems a good idea >IMO.

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And almost every laptop comes with wired and wireless interfaces. I almost wrote that myself, but they have different names and dont compete for numbers. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble

Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007

2007-03-27 Thread Roland Marcus Rutschmann
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > e0acebd2-71f1-4df8-ae4d-50355ad7aa81 > [ 2 ] Choice 1: Wouter Verhelst > [ 9 ] Choice 2: Aigars Mahinovs > [ 6 ] Choice 3: Gustavo Franco > [ 3 ] Choice 4: Sam Hocevar > [ 3 ] Choice 5: Steve McIntyre > [ 1 ] Choice

Bug#416397: ITP: haproxy -- fast and reliable load balancing reverse proxy

2007-03-27 Thread Arnaud Cornet
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Arnaud Cornet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: haproxy Version : 1.2.17 Upstream Author : Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://haproxy.1wt.eu/ * License : GPL Description : fast and reliable load balan

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Warren Turkal
On Monday 26 March 2007 16:00, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > you could mount them by UUID instead of the device name. Don't forget having to use a static fsid parameter in /etc/exports for the affected mounts. Otherwise, the device major/minor numbers for the mounted devices still affect what machines

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts (was Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs)

2007-03-27 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:47:38AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2007-03-27, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In fact, yes. More so, even. The higher the bug count the *greater* > > the reward for triaging everything properly. It helps to prevent > > getting mired in a sea of

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Mark Brown wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 01:27:55PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > *what's* in it. Just because it has a patch tag doesn't mean it's > > > necessarily any higher-quality of a bug unless

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Gabor Gombas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:11:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > >>configuration, it will no longer bring up the network on boot because >>the device name changed. If the box is using NFS, NIS, or LDAP, >>people may even have trouble logging i

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 08:32 -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:06:09AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Specifically because: > >> * Most machines have only one interface (If Debian is running on more

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:06:09AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Specifically because: >> * Most machines have only one interface (If Debian is running on more >> routers >> than workstations, obviously this would be wrong, but

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 01:27:55PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: > > *what's* in it. Just because it has a patch tag doesn't mean it's > > necessarily any higher-quality of a bug unless it's been triaged. > It may not be higher quality,

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:19PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I'm willing to support being more aggressive than we currently are about > changing maintainers when someone else steps up and is willing to do the > work, but I'm not willing to support any proposal that automatically > orphans packa

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts

2007-03-27 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: > > If so, what action do you think should be taken in the case where those > > bug reports are not addressed by the package maintainer? > > Someone should triage the bug and remove the tag if the patch isn't > adequate. An untriaged bug is an untriage

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts (was Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs)

2007-03-27 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-03-27, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In fact, yes. More so, even. The higher the bug count the *greater* > the reward for triaging everything properly. It helps to prevent > getting mired in a sea of bugs. We still miss around 600 bugs in our backlog: http://users.alio

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts (was Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs)

2007-03-27 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 08:12:07AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:38:24PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > People should be given assistance and encouragement in > > > doing it. I actually like doing it, but I have unfortunately relatively > > >

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 27, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Most machines have only one interface (If Debian is running on more routers > than workstations, obviously this would be wrong, but I doubt that's the > case.) Every laptop with wifi has more than one interface, and so does every system

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 26, Julien Cristau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the problem is that you can't know in advance whether the device > still exists or not, and whether it will be plugged in later (because > everything runs asynchronously). Or if it does not exist because it has been phisically removed

Re: Ethernet interface numbering in etch

2007-03-27 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:06:09AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I would guess the second, or more specifically I would guess that in any > given > month, > - (the total number of instances of admins swapping out network hardware and > needing to reuse the same interface names) > is gre

Re: Attempted summary and thoughts (was Re: On maintainers not responding to bugs)

2007-03-27 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: > > I like doing bug triage as well. I guess it is because I am a neat > > freak and anal about organization. > > Would you still like it if the bug count for one package would number in > hundreds ? It's easy to have a huge backlog. I believe a more