Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:53:25PM +1100, Steffen Joeris wrote: > Why not just logging in to merkel and using "mia-todo needs-wat" ? > As far as I can see right now there are plenty of people listed > there with no packages and they can be the targets for the first > run. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/org/

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun, 2007-02-12 at 08:05 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > The difference between a DD and a non-DD is mainly about voting, so if > a > DD doesn't have interest in politics, he could just do like a lot of > non-DD people: have a sponsor. When dealing with a large set of packages (read "Xfce"), it's

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 07:47:48AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yeah, you're perfectly right. That's the best advice one could give to >> not so active DD who doesn't want to lose much time («"lose" the time to >> vote so you don't "lose" the t

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 07:47:48AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, you're perfectly right. That's the best advice one could give to > not so active DD who doesn't want to lose much time («"lose" the time to > vote so you don't "lose" the time in NM»). But as someone sai

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:59 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > More than difficulty, I think *time* is the problem. > > Agreed, but anyone who cannot take the time to vote once an year > really > should be asking for his account to be locked for a while (i.e. a > vacation) > until he ha

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi mates > This is the part I'm unsure about. I think, as che recently > mentioned, he has been missing for years. His packages were > properly orphaned, but the account cleanup never happened. > > I am given the impression that the primary focus of the MIA > process is taking c

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 03:35:27PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > ... I mean, getting ones > status reverted is an inconvenience, but surely an active DD should > not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer? IIUC if A is the number of people expelled from Debian and if B

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10928 March 1977, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, it does. They need to fix their packages, or they get orphaned. > When no packages are left, we talk to DAM. No. You(Mia) didnt (in the past). >> How many other MIA people are undiscovered by our current process? > I'm sure there are plenty.

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:43:27 +0100, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I think the difference is that the MIA process is too conservative, > It starts off being polite, indeed. And patient. You never know the > reason why a person is not so active anymore. Tbm gave a t

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On dim, 2007-02-11 at 15:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > an active DD should > > not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer? > > On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:49 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > A probable reason is that the NM pro

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: > A probable reason is that the NM process is getting tougher and/or that > some developpers didn't even pass an NM process... Then we are better off without them. I can understandy anyone trying to avoid NM in the grounds that it is a hassle (as in they'd

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:37:33 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On dim, 2007-02-11 at 17:18 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> A reduced NM process should be less time consuming than the full >> one, no? > Well, it depends on the steps which are removed from the NM process, > an

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Amaya
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I think the difference is that the MIA process is too > conservative, It starts off being polite, indeed. And patient. You never know the reason why a person is not so active anymore. Tbm gave a talk about how it is done and why it is done like that in Oslo, 2003

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim, 2007-02-11 at 17:18 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > A reduced NM process should be less time consuming than the > full one, no? Well, it depends on the steps which are removed from the NM process, and how this "reduced" process is made. I guess it should be less time consuming, but I ca

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:39:46 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On dim, 2007-02-11 at 15:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> an active DD should not be afraid of passing something we ask of >> every new developer? > On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:49 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: A proba

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:33:40 +0100, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, there > Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> To reduce the security risk an unused open account has, and also to >> get the number of Developers to reflect the reality, we, the Debian >> Account Managers, decided to do regular "WaT"[2]

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Mark Purcell
On Sunday 11 February 2007 14:22, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > I don't think using the single criteria such as DPL voting is a good, > > approach. > > Now, explain where the problem in my approach is? The worst case that > can happen to someone who does not vote is that he replies to one > mail. Its no

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim, 2007-02-11 at 15:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > an active DD should > not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer? On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:49 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: A probable reason is that the NM process is getting tougher and/or that > some developpers did

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Amaya
Hi, there Joerg Jaspert wrote: > To reduce the security risk an unused open account has, and also to > get the number of Developers to reflect the reality, we, the Debian > Account Managers, decided to do regular "WaT"[2] runs. Are you familiar with the MIA Team work? How is this work insufficien

Re: Key expiry breaks most D-I Etch RC1 images

2007-02-11 Thread Joey Hess
Jason D. Clinton wrote: > Also, by default, CPU frequency scaling is disabled for desktop > installs. This should be turned on; we are trying to save the world > after all, aren't we? 130,000+ Debian users with CPU Frequency scaling > enabled would save a lot of energy with no noticible impact to d

Re: Key expiry breaks most D-I Etch RC1 images

2007-02-11 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > "so please file installation reports!" (The follow is also filed in an installation report.) RAID+LVM /boot doesn't work as of yesterday's build. It seems fixable; a manual invocation of "update-initramfs -k all -u" in the /target with /target

Re: Handling of /usr/share/locale for package name changes

2007-02-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 11 février 2007 à 12:50 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit : > Well, the translations really should not be part of the ABI of the library; > libraries shouldn't be engaging in direct interaction with the user, so the > use case for localization of libraries is really limited to interfaces su

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 03:35:27PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:42:47 -0500, Joe Smith > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I would hope that there would be a grace period after deactivation, > > I suggest you read the original mail before pa

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:42:47 -0500, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I would hope that there would be a grace period after deactivation, I suggest you read the original mail before participating in the discussion. > where a person who misses the WaT mail, and then later has his/h

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:12:54 -0700, Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 03:57, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> - miss the WaT mail. Even if you are on vacation for a long time, I >> guess it wont be 3 weeks (vote) plus one or two months (WaT mail >> timeout), and dont

Re: Handling of /usr/share/locale for package name changes

2007-02-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 08:23:29PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > Some shared libraries have gettext translations below /usr/share/locale > with the source package name as textdomain. When such a shared lib > changes SONAME, how are you handling it? > 1) check all strings to see whether there ar

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Smith
"Joerg Jaspert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10927 March 1977, Mark Purcell wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way that we avoid sending out such mails to active pe

Re: Bug#410502: ITP: libcm -- Support code for compositing managers

2007-02-11 Thread David Weinehall
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 01:50:39PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/11/07 12:58, =?//TRANSLIT?Q?Lo=EFc?= Minier wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > * URL : http://www.example.org/ > >>> No upstream website I k

Re: Bug#410502: ITP: libcm -- Support code for compositing managers

2007-02-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 12:58, =?//TRANSLIT?Q?Lo=EFc?= Minier wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: * URL : http://www.example.org/ >>> No upstream website I know of. >> FTP site? >> Where do you get the source from? > > ftp.gnome.o

Re: RFC: use readable $(cmd) syntax instead of unreadable `cmd`

2007-02-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "John H. Robinson, IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The only problem I see with $() is that older /bin/sh (SunOS) does not >> support $(), but it does support ``. >> >> When I make a /bin/sh, I want it able to be run on a /bin/sh, even if >> that /bi

Handling of /usr/share/locale for package name changes

2007-02-11 Thread Loïc Minier
Hi there, Some shared libraries have gettext translations below /usr/share/locale with the source package name as textdomain. When such a shared lib changes SONAME, how are you handling it? 1) check all strings to see whether there are only additions and no incompatible changes, and

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Sunday 11 February 2007 03:57, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > - miss the WaT mail. Even if you are on vacation for a long time, I > guess it wont be 3 weeks (vote) plus one or two months (WaT mail > timeout), and dont you read your backlog when you come back? What about if the WaT mail is rej

Re: RFC: use readable $(cmd) syntax instead of unreadable `cmd`

2007-02-11 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Friday 09 February 2007 11:11, Jari Aalto wrote: > I have reported bugs against backtick and suggested to change to use > the more readable alternative. The result was surprising. To quote > one message (bug closed reasoning): > > "If your development environment cannot display ` differentl

Bug#410556: ITP: openmsx-debugger -- graphical debugger for openMSX

2007-02-11 Thread Joost Yervante Damad
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joost Yervante Damad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: openmsx-debugger Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Edwin Velds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://openmsx.org/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description

Re: RFC: use readable $(cmd) syntax instead of unreadable `cmd`

2007-02-11 Thread Steve Greenland
On 09-Feb-07, 15:13 (CST), "John H. Robinson, IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only problem I see with $() is that older /bin/sh (SunOS) does not > support $(), but it does support ``. > > When I make a /bin/sh, I want it able to be run on a /bin/sh, even if > that /bin/sh is on SunOS. Then

Re: Bug#410502: ITP: libcm -- Support code for compositing managers

2007-02-11 Thread Lo?c Minier
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> * URL : http://www.example.org/ > > No upstream website I know of. > FTP site? > Where do you get the source from? ftp.gnome.org, but not worth mentionning in the package description; it's mentionned in the copyright of course. I imagin

Re: UDP code

2007-02-11 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Sonntag 11 Februar 2007 19:11 schrieb J HU: > I'm working on a communication using UDP sockets and I would like to get > the source code to know exactly what it does and make some proves. UDP is not defined by some source code but by its RFC documents. > Can anyone tell me where o how I can ge

Re: UDP code

2007-02-11 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:11:40PM +, J HU wrote: > Hi! > > I'm working on a communication using UDP sockets and I would like to get > the source code to know exactly what it does and make some proves. > > Can anyone tell me where o how I can get the sorce code of the UDP?... now > I just i

UDP code

2007-02-11 Thread J HU
Hi! I'm working on a communication using UDP sockets and I would like to get the source code to know exactly what it does and make some proves. Can anyone tell me where o how I can get the sorce code of the UDP?... now I just include the but I like to see the functions. Thanks in advance

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10927 March 1977, Mark Purcell wrote: > On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way >> that we avoid sending out such mails to active people. As a good start >> we will take the upcoming DPL vote as an input so

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:19:34PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I totally agree. If I were forced to reduce my involvement in Debian, I > would probably start by losing interest in "politics", since I could > easily trust other, better-informed DD, to make better choices than I > would do. That w

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Jon Marler wrote: > I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer status if I > miss the vote? A more relevant case are probably people, who don't care about the annual time-drain aka DPL election. Cheers, Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject o

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:19:34PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 11/02/07 at 10:29 +, Mark Purcell wrote: > > Whilst you might be able to vote without expressing an opinion, > > we already have a documented MIA process. > > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkgin

Bug#410510: ITP: et131x -- Source for et131x Ethernet Controller driver from Agere Systems

2007-02-11 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miguel Gea Milvaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: et131x Version : 1.2.2 Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/et131x/ * License : BSD liki Programming Lang: C Description

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/02/07 at 10:29 +, Mark Purcell wrote: > Whilst you might be able to vote without expressing an opinion, > we already have a documented MIA process. > > http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-mia-qa > > I don't think using the single criteria such as DP

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10927 March 1977, Bart Martens wrote: >> Three week vacation periods are not uncommon. > Of course, and I'm sure everyone knows that. When I read the > announcement again, then I see no reason to panic. :) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg8.html > An example, how

Re: Bug#410502: ITP: libcm -- Support code for compositing managers

2007-02-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 03:39, Loïc Minier wrote: [snip] >> * URL : http://www.example.org/ > > No upstream website I know of. FTP site? Where do you get the source from? >> * License : LGPL, GPL, BSD > > (This is correct.) It's tri-lic

Re: update on binary upload restrictions

2007-02-11 Thread Bill Allombert
Dear developers, [My post involve only technical issues which are orthogonal to the current GR which addresses the non-technical issues.] On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 01:23:35AM +, James Troup wrote: >Why restrictions on binary uploads? >

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Mark Purcell
On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way > that we avoid sending out such mails to active people. As a good start > we will take the upcoming DPL vote as an input source, everyone who doesn't > vote this year wil

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 09:22 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:40:31PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:56 -0600, Jon Marler > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer sta

Re: Bug#410502: ITP: libcm -- Support code for compositing managers

2007-02-11 Thread Loïc Minier
Hmm, sorry for these: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007, Loïc Minier wrote: > Version : x.y.z 0.1.1 > Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mostly Søren Sandmann for Red Hat. > * URL : http://www.example.org/ No upstream website I know of. > * License : LGPL, GPL,

Bug#410502: ITP: libcm -- Support code for compositing managers

2007-02-11 Thread Loïc Minier
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Loic Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I intend to package libcm: * Package name: libcm Version : x.y.z Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : LGPL, GPL, BSD Progra

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Re: Who would be the right person or committe to talk to at Debian about

2007-02-11 Thread Christian Perrier
> > Who would be the right person or committe to talk to at Debian about > > making fonts for Debian and or other Linux distros? I think that joining the pkg-fonts-devel team mailing list is the first step to go, certainly. We are about a dozen of people who mostly maintain a few font packages. T

Re: Handling of (inactive) Debian Accounts

2007-02-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:40:31PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:56 -0600, Jon Marler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer status if I > > miss the vote? Is there a website I can log in to "r