Bug#344626: ITP: svn2cl -- Convert Subversion logs to GNU-style ChangeLogs

2005-12-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: svn2cl Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Arthur de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/svn2cl/ * License : BSD (3-clause) Description : Convert

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-23 Thread Russell Coker
On Saturday 24 December 2005 11:35, Goswin von Brederlow > > Also as for sym-links, there's no reason why /var/run couldn't be used > > all along. Imagine we have a system where /var is mounted from an LVM > > volume (or something else that can't be mounted early on). So we start > > with a /var

Bug#344616: ITP: ttf-cjk-compact -- Shrinked CJK TrueType fonts for GUI d-i

2005-12-23 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: ttf-cjk-compact Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Kenshi Muto * URL : deb http://kmuto.jp/debian/mtu unstable main deb-src http://kmuto.jp/debian/mtu unstab

Re: Experiment: poll on "switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?"

2005-12-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 09:59:18AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 12:40:40PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > I don't like downgrading the vim -> vim-runtime dependency since IMO if > > > a user apt-get-installs vim he expect a fully working vim installation > > > (incl

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The ffmpeg library in debian is a problem case and probably should not >> be in there. That issue hasn't been decided yet and till then anything >> using it stays stuck. > > Really? Excellent then. I would expect that gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, > recently up

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Andrew Suffield wrote: > As a general rule, UK bandwidth prices are roughly five to ten times > those of equivalent service in other EU countries. Not that you can > get equivalent service. Ouch. I pay less than that for a T1 to my house, and far far far less for bandwidth at a colo. I suggest th

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On a vm-based fs, you always use *address space* for data in it, and it is > linearly coupled to the amount of filesystem used (or even to the full size, > for extremely dumb filesystems). > > Not that address space shortage is something I'

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Monday 19 December 2005 11:49, Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> > If /run is tmpfs, it means everything stored there eats virtual memory. >> > So a musch metter strategy would be to move everyt

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > #include > * Goswin von Brederlow [Wed, Dec 21 2005, 04:19:56PM]: > >> > Actual maintainer of dpkg is evaluating the possibility to use 7zip. >> > Even if the decision of using 7zip by default is far from being taken, it >> > looks >> > likely that dpkg

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 16:12 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: > [snip] >> The transition itself would go completly unadminister

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Who need PARALELISM and who has a bandwidth of more then 8 MBit? >> >> I have 10240kBit downstream and get way less from security.debian.org. >> Especialy when there is a security rele

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-23 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Anthony Towns wrote: > Yeah; vi not behaving like vi by default seems like a showstopper. I don't understand why. Debian is a GNU/Linux system, not a UNIX system. Even such simple things as our "echo" command do not behave exactly as POSIX dictates and classic UNIX does; we've generally, I think,

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Andrew Suffield wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 02:31:19PM -0500, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian developer, who would be the "buck stops

Re: Experiment: poll on "switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?"

2005-12-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
Joey Hess wrote: > >[1] It's hard to say for sure since the i386 netinst CD is already too >big for some installation methods and we haven't figured out if >we're going to trim it back down, or drop it. Ouch. I'd hope that the netinst should still work. As/when/if we can drop 2.4 kernels t

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 02:31:19PM -0500, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > > >On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring > >that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian > >developer, who would be the "buck stops here" guy for that > >

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Will that work for sockets? or mmaped files? (however not sure if there are any on early boot). Like /var/run/samba/*.tdb Greetings Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-23 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 02:02:28PM +, Paul Hedderly wrote: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:56:42PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > > > I'm one of the people who prefers nvi over vim. I do so quite strongly, > > because I find that nvi obeys my fingers and vim does not. The > > Sounds like you s

Bug#344560: ITP: polymer -- a port of KDE style Plastik without KDE libraries

2005-12-23 Thread Emfox Zhou
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: polymer Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Adam Jakubek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL or Web page : http://static.int.pl/~mig21/dev/releases/polymer/ * License : GPL Description : a pure QT3 theme engine without requiring KD

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-23 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Eric Dorland wrote: but this change is the sort of thing that will help the change perception of Debian for people who think we're a bunch of crazies. Wait...is that an arguement for or against? ;-) Benjamin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-23 Thread Joey Hess
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > Well, it appears there's MS_MOVE support in 2.4 too, since 2.4.19. mount --move doesn't work here (2.4.27) > Well actually, perhaps we should not even use mount --move. Just > copying the files is enough: Will that work for sockets? -- see shy jo signature.asc

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Andrew Suffield wrote: On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian developer, who would be the "buck stops here" guy for that package. Not an applicant, not a mailing list, and not a group of people. I believe

Re: Experiment: poll on "switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?"

2005-12-23 Thread Joey Hess
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > But still, people have complained in this thread about a size increase > of about 370 Kb (nvi vs vim-tiny + vim-common), moving towards vim + > vim-common would mean an *additional* 340 Kb size increase. Is this > still considered a fair increase by the installer/cd team

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#343662: fsck errors halting boot after upgrade]

2005-12-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 01:59:55PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 19-Dec-05, 09:21 (CST), Theodore Ts'o <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Specifically, what I would propose is /etc/localtime.conf contain > > something like "US/Eastern", and let /etc/zoneinfo be a copy of the > > file /usr/share/z

Re: New experimental sysvinit

2005-12-23 Thread Linas Zvirblis
Thomas Hood wrote: And that is probably not what I would expect. What about doing something like this... NOLOGIN=boot nologin exists during boot NOLOGIN=always nologin always exists NOLOGIN=never nologin never exists That would be fine if we were adding a new feature, but I am trying to m

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-23 Thread Paul Hedderly
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:37:59PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Yeah; vi not behaving like vi by default seems like a showstopper. But that is not the case. vi by default not acting like a very old and (imho) broken version of vi... is not a showstopper. I love vi - and I love the progress vi

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-23 Thread Paul Hedderly
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:56:42PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > I'm one of the people who prefers nvi over vim. I do so quite strongly, > because I find that nvi obeys my fingers and vim does not. The Sounds like you should file a bug against your fingers then. > differences are minute, of c

Re: New experimental sysvinit

2005-12-23 Thread Thomas Hood
> And that is probably not what I would expect. What about doing something > like this... > > NOLOGIN=boot nologin exists during boot > NOLOGIN=alwaysnologin always exists > NOLOGIN=never nologin never exists That would be fine if we were adding a new feature, but I am trying to modify

Bug#344520: ITP: comixcursors -- X11 mouse theme with a comics feeling

2005-12-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sune Vuorela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: comixcursors Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Jens Luetkens * URL : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32627 * License : GPL Description : X11 mouse theme

Re: {SPAM} Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Sex, 2005-12-23 às 00:46 +0100, Raphael Hertzog escreveu: > On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Daniel Ruoso wrote: > > So, the nicest way is to create yet another subsystem that would manage > > this type of information, and once many people starts putting > > information there, the PTS will include it also..

Re: New experimental sysvinit

2005-12-23 Thread Linas Zvirblis
Anyone see any problems with this scheme? Any better ideas? This might be a silly question, but what would happen if DELAYLOGIN=yes and /var/lib/initscripts/nologin does not exist? I surmise that it's created somewhere in runmefirst. After all, the usual state of a running system is tha

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 08:40:22AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > The other side, and we've seen some people say this in this thread already, > is that even if a maintainer asks for help, he may not get any - IIRC nis > was one such package, and I claim that its still used by quite a few, so

Re: New experimental sysvinit

2005-12-23 Thread Thomas Hood
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > How well that works with /var in a separate partition? It should work fine because S55bootmisc.sh runs after S45mountnfs.sh. -- Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Early-writeable partition (aka. "/run x /var/run")

2005-12-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Here's a small sinopsys: 1. There is a need for a directory that is writeable *very* early in the boot process. The alternative is complex and probably far more undesireable (running daemon that implements a very simplified filesystem-like interface and keeps all data in memory. Also

Re: New experimental sysvinit

2005-12-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Thomas Hood wrote: > 2. One thing I would like to do in this release is to remove the > dynamically created/deleted /etc/nologin file from the root filesystem. > It is proposed that initscripts create and delete the nologin flag file > in /var/lib/initscripts/ and that /etc/nol

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:43:34AM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 08:38 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring > > that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian > > developer, who would be the "bu

Re: buildd administration -- TeX related FTBFS

2005-12-23 Thread Frank Küster
Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > >> Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> > I think one to ease tension is to make tetex packages to coexist in >> > archive just like many gcc. [...] > I should have been clear. I wish them to coexist only in "archive" but > they can conflic

ITP: projectmanager.app -- Simple IDE for GNUstep

2005-12-23 Thread Gürkan Sengün
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: projectmanager.app Version : 0.1.2 Upstream Author : Sašo Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://pmanager.sf.net/ * License : GNU GPL v2 Description : Simple IDE for GNUstep ProjectManager is an integr

Re: Experiment: poll on "switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?"

2005-12-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 12:40:40PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > I don't like downgrading the vim -> vim-runtime dependency since IMO if > > a user apt-get-installs vim he expect a fully working vim installation > > (including help and syntax highlighting). > Right; but having vim Depends: vim-ba

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
I fully support your campaign Lars. I've ever been willing to write automatic tests for a lot of packages of mine. And even a large subset of them (all OCaml related ones for example) can benefit of the very same test applied to them. I never added the test simply because there is no infrastructure

Re: New make is breaking several packages

2005-12-23 Thread Robert Luberda
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Daniel Schepler wrote: Hi, > Yes, a Makefile with > all: > echo 'foo'\ > 'bar' > > will pass to the shell: > (old make) echo 'foo''bar' > (new make) echo 'foo'\ > 'bar' > > And both will echo a single word. Unfortunatelly that's not true: the sarge version of m