Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Horms
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 04:59:01PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:01:10AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Aug 24, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > udev has also been the hotplug multiplexer for some time now. > > > Yeah. Horrible. Will udev become a

Re: curl 7.14.0-5: OpenSSL vs GnuTLS is still a problem

2005-08-24 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 03:54:38PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 12:07:09PM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 11:00:41AM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > >> with curl 7.14.0-5 currently in incoming, i added two new packages > >> libcurl3-gnut

Re: Unnecessary "Conflicts" with imap-server packages

2005-08-24 Thread Brian May
> "Gerrit" == Gerrit Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gerrit> bincimap-run package provides the virtual package Gerrit> ``imap-server'' and conflicts with other packages Gerrit> providing ``imap-server''. This ensures that bincimap is Gerrit> the only service that listens on

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Gabor Gombas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I have a different view: udev is a program to receive kernel > events and evaluate/execute different rules based on the event, and it > comes with a default ruleset to manage /dev nodes. So can we configure udev to stop managing /dev? This would rem

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Shaun Jackman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2005/8/24, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> * Shaun Jackman >> >> | What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? >> | >> | Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) >... > dh_shlibdeps > /usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2:

Re: Using buildds only

2005-08-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 8/23/05, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:42:18 +0200, Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >Something like this is in fact considered. Probably Ubuntu won't use >> >pbuilder itself since it is not the most e

Re: Will the amd64 port be rejected because of the 98% rule?

2005-08-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050823 22:24]: >> Doing a count yourself you can get >10% divergence from the buildd.d.o >> stats depending what you count exactly. >> >> So before any line should be drawn someone should define a correct >> c

Re: More pbuilder use!

2005-08-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The chroot is not really suitable for anything but exclusive use by > sbuild (otherwise you risk messing it up by installing random stuff > so that it's no better than the host environment...). > > You could always use a separate chroot for user access, bu

Re: Using buildds only

2005-08-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 09:54:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Then you'd have to keep the master chroot image up-to-date. If you don't >> > do that, after a while the master image will digress

Re: WebSVN of svn.debian.org uses wrong encoding

2005-08-24 Thread Bryan Donlan
On 8/23/05, W. Borgert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have checked in some files into svn.debian.org. The files are > in UTF-8 encoding[1], but the web front-end seems to believe in > ISO-8859-1. Did I do something wrong when checking in files, or > is WebSVN too plain in its assumptions

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Steinar H. Gunderson [Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:03:03 +0200]: > BTW, does the BTS understand that the package might "fork"? Specifically, if > I have a bug in a sarge package (say, 1.0) that is fixed in an upstream > version 1.2, but is backported to sarge (because it's an RC bug), can I say > that it

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:01:10AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 24, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > udev has also been the hotplug multiplexer for some time now. > > Yeah. Horrible. Will udev become an editor and MTA too, maybe after > > etch? > No. But since it had to deal

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Al Viro
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:09:14AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > When I asked the udev maintainer about this, he replied that he does not > believe that it will be an issue in the future. > We are not even at the step of requiring udev for everything, only for > less than ten packages which require

Re: Bug#324861: ITP: pptpproxy -- a small app that forwards PPTP VPN connections through a Linux firewall

2005-08-24 Thread Michel van der Klei
Hi, On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:45:52AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Michel van der Klei wrote: > > I will change it in: > > > > pptpproxy is a good old forwarder daemon. It's most probably not as > > elegant as a kernel+iptables based solutions, but it has the very > > sizeable advantage of W

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 24, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > udev has also been the hotplug multiplexer for some time now. > Yeah. Horrible. Will udev become an editor and MTA too, maybe after > etch? No. But since it had to deal with most events, applying the same process to the others was a natural

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 24, Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Two points: > > - I am tired of having to revamp the hotplugging framework every > other month; Not a great point. There has been exactly one other change in the hotplug API in the past, and it started long ago with a very long transition per

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:49:19AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: >> AFAICT there is no support for a "done" command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I meant "close": > > close 99 1.2 BTW, does the BTS understand that the package might "fork"? Specifically, if I have a bug in a sarge package (say,

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >In recent announce about changes in BTS (Subject: BTS version tracking >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:06:29 +0100) is described how to use new >versioning system. I'm not sure if sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is >now prefered way to closing

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.25.0038 +0200]: > > done 99 1.2 > > AFAICT there is no support for a "done" command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I meant "close": close 99 1.2 -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft

Re: Bug#324861: ITP: pptpproxy -- a small app that forwards PPTP VPN connections through a Linux firewall

2005-08-24 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi. Michel van der Klei wrote: > I will change it in: > > pptpproxy is a good old forwarder daemon. It's most probably not as > elegant as a kernel+iptables based solutions, but it has the very > sizeable advantage of Working For Me. It's a "timesaver" for those who > are getting tired of trying

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread Grzegorz Bizon
Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:25:08 +0200 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In recent announce about changes in BTS (Subject: BTS version > > tracking Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:06:29 +0100) is described how to > > use new versioning system. I'm not sure if sending mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 25 August 2005 00:25, martin f krafft wrote: > done 99 1.2 AFAICT there is no support for a "done" command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgps430gVp78z.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Qua, 2005-08-24 às 23:59 +0200, Grzegorz Bizon escreveu: > In recent announce about changes in BTS (Subject: BTS version tracking > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:06:29 +0100) is described how to use new > versioning system. I'm not sure if sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is > now prefered way to c

Re: Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Grzegorz Bizon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.2359 +0200]: > Maintainer uploads fixed package into unstable and closes bug in > Changelog, after few days corrected package enters testing, depending on > urgency. Granted that reported bug wasn't so important to justify > upload do stab

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Mauro Calderara
On Aug 24, 2005, at 6:43 PM, sean finney wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 05:22:32PM +0100, Andrew Porter wrote: /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults \ | tr " " "\n" \ | grep -- "--$1" \ | tail -n 1 \ | cut -d= -f2 is harder

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Mauro Calderara
On Aug 24, 2005, at 11:19 PM, sean finney wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 11:08:41PM +0200, Mauro Calderara wrote: Aren't the init-scripts supposed to be posix-compilant? Often when installing dash as /bin/sh this becomes a problem because even though dash is posix-compatible it tends to break

Closing bugs in BTS

2005-08-24 Thread Grzegorz Bizon
Hi there ! I was just wondering about few issues in BTS after recent changes - how to close bugs in apropriate way. Maintainer uploads fixed package into unstable and closes bug in Changelog, after few days corrected package enters testing, depending on urgency. Granted that reported bug wasn't

Bug#324930: ITP: gollem -- file manager component for horde framework

2005-08-24 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: gollem Version : x.y.z Upstream Author : Michael Slusarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.horde.org/gollem/ * License

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 11:08:41PM +0200, Mauro Calderara wrote: > Aren't the init-scripts supposed to be posix-compilant? Often when > installing dash as /bin/sh this becomes a problem because even though > dash is posix-compatible it tends to break init-scripts for me. Whether > this is dash's fa

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Marc Chantreux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > there are a lot of things in /etc/init.d/*, and {pre,post}inst scripts > that can be rewritten more efficiently ( i think ). > for example, in /etc/init.d/mysqld > mysqld_get_param() { > /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults \ > |

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Gabor Gombas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.2204 +0200]: > So IMHO udev is more generic than hotplug. This is Unix, not monolithic-land. Also, udev was set out to do nothing other than device node management. > > The other comment is that udev is not generally accepted. A lot > > of

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 06:23:37PM +0200, Julien BLACHE wrote: > To be honest, I installed a laptop the other day, and udev works well > on it (sarge with a 2.6.12 kernel); but I probably won't be able to > upgrade the kernel without running into problems with udev, which is a > total pain. I onl

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 05:36:43PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > I have two comments: udev is a device node manager, not a hook > system for generic actions to be taking when a device is plugged or > unplugged. RUN rules kinda make this possible, but udev is on the > right track of doing the wro

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-24 Thread Shaun Jackman
2005/8/24, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Shaun Jackman > > | What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? > | > | Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) > > Unless eagle is a toolchain package, you shouldn't build-dep on > ia32-libs-dev. ia32-libs-dev is a helper pa

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
** Peter Palfrader :: > > mysqld_get_param () { > > /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults | > > sed -ne "s/^.*--$1=\\([^ ]\\+\\).*\$/\\1/p" > > } > > And harder to read. Making scripts more complex and harder to > read for some dubious efficiency is not a good idea in my opinion. I respectfu

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 05:22:32PM +0100, Andrew Porter wrote: > > /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults \ > > | tr " " "\n" \ > > | grep -- "--$1" \ > > | tail -n 1 \ > > | cut -d= -f2 > > is harder to read than > > > /usr/

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread W. Borgert
Quoting Peter 'p2' De Schrijver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Most packages are not tested automatically at all. Unfortunately not. > Most cross compiled software also runs 24/7. I have yet to see problems > produced by cross compiling the code. ... > I don't think the risk is real considering the amoun

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Julien BLACHE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: [/etc/hotplug.d being deprecated in favour of udev RUN rules] > I'd like to know your opinion about speeding up the transition and > removing right now support for hotplug.d/ in your packages, making them > depend on udev. Two points: - I am tired of hav

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread sean finney
hi, On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 04:50:40PM +0200, Marc Chantreux wrote: > for example, in /etc/init.d/mysqld > > mysqld_get_param() { > /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults \ > | tr " " "\n" \ > | grep -- "--$1" \ > | tail -n 1 \ >

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Andrew Porter
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 17:44 +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: I could debate with you whether > /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults \ > | tr " " "\n" \ > | grep -- "--$1" \ > | tail -n 1 \ > | cut -d= -f2 is harder to read than >

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.1752 +0200]: > > I have two comments: udev is a device node manager, not a hook > > system for generic actions to be taking when a device is plugged > > or > udev has also been the hotplug multiplexer for some time now. Yeah. Horrible. Will

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > >for example, in /etc/init.d/mysqld > > > >mysqld_get_param() { > >/usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults \ > >| tr " " "\n" \ > >| grep -- "--$1" \ > >| tail -n 1 \ > >| cut -d=

Re: Bug#324861: ITP: pptpproxy -- a small app that forwards PPTP VPN connections through a Linux firewall

2005-08-24 Thread Michel van der Klei
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:47 -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: > X-Mitch IT-MailScanner: Found to be clean > X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 03:41:10PM +0200, Michel van der Klei wrote: > > * Package name: pptpproxy > > Version : 2.0 > > Upstream Author :

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 24, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have two comments: udev is a device node manager, not a hook > system for generic actions to be taking when a device is plugged or udev has also been the hotplug multiplexer for some time now. > The other comment is that udev is not genera

Re: WebSVN of svn.debian.org uses wrong encoding

2005-08-24 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Frans Pop wrote: > Who cares what default it sets or not sets? The point is that it has no > way to determine the correct encoding for files in the svn repo. That is not true. For file that have the svn:mime-type property, it might be possible. For example, if the mime-type indicates it is XML, t

Re: Bug#318590: curl 7.14.0-5: OpenSSL vs GnuTLS is still a problem

2005-08-24 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 04:23:19PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 24, Domenico Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > in the meanwhile new packages can be built using the gnutls variant of > > libcurl3. be aware that libcurl3 and libcurl3-gnutls currently cannot > > be installed at the sam

Re: removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.24.1727 +0200]: > I'd like to know your opinion about speeding up the transition and > removing right now support for hotplug.d/ in your packages, making > them depend on udev. I have two comments: udev is a device node manager, not a hook syst

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marc Chantreux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >there are a lot of things in /etc/init.d/*, and {pre,post}inst >scripts that can be rewritten more efficiently ( i think ). > >for example, in /etc/init.d/mysqld > >mysqld_get_param() { >/usr/sbin/mysqld --print-def

removing /etc/hotplug.d/ support

2005-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
Currently only a very small number of packages using the deprecated /etc/hotplug.d/ interface is left. Keeping hotplug.d/ support is both a waste of resources on every system (multiple programs needs to be run for every event, even if they are not needed) and makes the transition from hotplug to so

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Ondrej Sury
> that are not bugs so i wonder if package maintainers where pleased if i > reportbug those lines as wishlist. If you submit patch as wishlist, then it's ok (at least for me). O. -- Ondrej Sury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 04:50:40PM +0200, Marc Chantreux wrote: > that are not bugs so i wonder if package maintainers where pleased if i > reportbug those lines as wishlist. > Why not? a patch is a patch. -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

better init.d/* : who carres ?

2005-08-24 Thread Marc Chantreux
Hi all, there are a lot of things in /etc/init.d/*, and {pre,post}inst scripts that can be rewritten more efficiently ( i think ). for example, in /etc/init.d/mysqld mysqld_get_param() { /usr/sbin/mysqld --print-defaults \ | tr " " "\n" \ | grep -- "--$1"

Re: how to fully replace another package

2005-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 24, Ben Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is not strictly needed, but I cannot avoid it until udev will > > become mandatory to have hotplug support (is there a consensus on this?). > Could udev be modified to not run the hotplug.d handlers > if /sbin/hotplug is missing? (Or is

Re: Bug#324861: ITP: pptpproxy -- a small app that forwards PPTP VPN connections through a Linux firewall

2005-08-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 03:41:10PM +0200, Michel van der Klei wrote: > * Package name: pptpproxy > Version : 2.0 > Upstream Author : Emmanuel Mogenet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://www.mgix.com/pptpproxy > * License : Public Domain > Description : a s

Re: how to fully replace another package

2005-08-24 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 16:30 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On udev systems events are received by udevd, either using udevsend or > (when the kernel input subsystem will be fixed) a netlink socket. > /sbin/hotplug does not enter in the picture at all. > > Then the default udev configuration will run

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
> > > * By using a cross-compiler, by definition you use a compiler that is > > > not the same as the default compiler for your architecture. As such, > > > your architecture is no longer self-hosting. This may introduce bugs > > > when people do try to build software for your architecture n

Re: curl 7.14.0-5: OpenSSL vs GnuTLS is still a problem

2005-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 24, Domenico Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > in the meanwhile new packages can be built using the gnutls variant of > libcurl3. be aware that libcurl3 and libcurl3-gnutls currently cannot > be installed at the same time. What is the point then? They *will* be needed at the same time.

Re: how to fully replace another package

2005-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 24, Ben Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. kernel hotplug subsystem detects an event > 2. kernel dispatches the event handling using the program named > in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug (default is /sbin/hotplug) passing it any > necessary argument(s) to hotplug > 3. /sbin/hotplug dispatc

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Olaf van der Spek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050824 15:52]: > On 8/24/05, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | Wouldn't that at least catch the non-platform-specific bugs? > > > > They are usually caught fairly quickly. The problem here is what to > > do in the cases where nobody cares en

Re: arch, svn, cvs

2005-08-24 Thread Florian Weimer
* Francesco P. Lovergine: > Comparing svn and arch is like comparing apples and tomatos. They have > completely different purposes (i.e. centralized vs distributed). The purpose is the same (collaboration ona code base), only the means are quite different. The available implemnetations also invo

Re: curl 7.14.0-5: OpenSSL vs GnuTLS is still a problem

2005-08-24 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 12:07:09PM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 11:00:41AM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > > with curl 7.14.0-5 currently in incoming, i added two new packages > > libcurl3-gnutls and libcurl3-gnutls-dev. libcurl3 and libcurl3-gnutls > > conflict ea

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/24/05, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 02:13:50PM +0200, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: > Do you want to take the chance of finding out the hard way after having > built 10G (or more) worth of software? > > This is not a case of embedded software where you

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/24/05, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Wouldn't that at least catch the non-platform-specific bugs? > > They are usually caught fairly quickly. The problem here is what to > do in the cases where nobody cares enough about the port to fix > toolchain breakages which only affect

Bug#324861: ITP: pptpproxy -- a small app that forwards PPTP VPN connections through a Linux firewall

2005-08-24 Thread Michel van der Klei
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michel van der Klei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pptpproxy Version : 2.0 Upstream Author : Emmanuel Mogenet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.mgix.com/pptpproxy * License : Public Domain Description : a s

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Olaf van der Spek | On 8/24/05, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > * Olaf van der Spek | > | > | I understand most maintainers don't try the new toolchain themselves, | > | but wouldn't it be possible for someone else to build the entire | > | archive (or parts of it by multiple pe

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 02:13:50PM +0200, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: > > * Many packages don't support cross-compiling, and those that do may > > have bugs in their makefiles that make cross-compiling either harder > > or impossible. > > * You can't run the test suites of the software you'r

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 02:13:50PM +0200, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: > > * Many packages don't support cross-compiling, and those that do may > > have bugs in their makefiles that make cross-compiling either harder > > or impossible. > > * You can't run the test suites of the software you'r

Re: vancouver revisited

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:46:18AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > You know, the wording of the original vancouver document, as well as the > mood of the discussion that followed it seems to be pretty near such a madman > scenario, so ... You misunderstood. 'Madman scenario' as in the respective team

Re: how to fully replace another package

2005-08-24 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 10:00 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Right, it's not used but it's checked. > But then there is still /etc/hotplug.d/default/default.hotplug, which if > present will create all kinds of troubles. Let me get one more thing straight before we move on ... What's the sequence of c

Re: [PATCH] Simple parallellized boot sequence (and a plea for LSB complience)

2005-08-24 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:52:36AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > If you have an USB mouse, you need to have the driver for it loaded > before starting gdm (or the boot will fail), if it uses Xdmcp for > connecting to a terminal server, it will need networking to be up (and > so on). This is the

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
> * Many packages don't support cross-compiling, and those that do may > have bugs in their makefiles that make cross-compiling either harder > or impossible. > * You can't run the test suites of the software you're compiling, at > least not directly. > * There's a serious problem with automa

CURSO INTERATIVO HP12C

2005-08-24 Thread carlos santos
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Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 11:42:28AM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > And what about cross-compiling? Cross-compiling is no magic wand that can save us from the slow architectures. There are quite a number of problems with cross-compiling: * Many packages don't support cross-compiling, and those t

Re: vancouver revisited

2005-08-24 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
[Please do not CC me, I'm on the list] Em Qua, 2005-08-24 às 11:36 +0100, Alastair McKinstry escreveu: > Yes, there is: one of the more frequent uses of minority architectures > is diversity in internet-facing machines: I've run sparc, powerpc and > MIPs machines in this role, and am currently r

Re: Using buildds only

2005-08-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 09:23:59AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > Hi! > > Goswin von Brederlow [2005-08-23 21:54 +0200]: > > You have to keep the chroot up-to-date manualy anyway as sbuild does > > not upgrade unless a Build-Depends requires a newer version > > specificaly. > > That's not true for

Re: vancouver revisited

2005-08-24 Thread Alastair McKinstry
Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Em Seg, 2005-08-22 às 00:34 +0300, Riku Voipio escreveu: jffs2 image, which is then flashed to a pile of devices. Walking through d-i every time would be very clumsy, so there is no use for a working installer for those systems. There's no use for a full

Re: [PATCH] Simple parallellized boot sequence (and a plea for LSB complience)

2005-08-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:21:19 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:59:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> How about a recipe for doing so? > >Good idea. Here is a quick and dirty draft based on my current >understanding. http://wiki.debian.net/?LSBInitScri

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

2005-08-24 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:22:26PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:06:49 +0200, "Steinar H. Gunderson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'd love to see people migrating to Arch > > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > arch sucks badly. I tend to

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/24/05, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Olaf van der Spek > > | I understand most maintainers don't try the new toolchain themselves, > | but wouldn't it be possible for someone else to build the entire > | archive (or parts of it by multiple people) and (automatically) report >

Re: vancouver revisited

2005-08-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 10:55:11AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 10:16:53PM +0200, Peter 'p2' De Schrijver wrote: > > > - security team, DSA, and release team must not veto inclusion > > > > Arbitrary veto power. This requirement is unacceptable for me. Noone > > should b

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, * GOTO Masanori ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050824 10:38]: > At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 03:58:24 +0200, > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > - must be a developer-accessible debian.org machine for the > > architecture > > Does this part mean "developer-accessible machine is always usable for > all debian develop

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 05:04:40PM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: > At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 03:58:24 +0200, > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > - must be a developer-accessible debian.org machine for the > > architecture > > Does this part mean "developer-accessible machine is always usable for > all debian d

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Olaf van der Spek | I understand most maintainers don't try the new toolchain themselves, | but wouldn't it be possible for someone else to build the entire | archive (or parts of it by multiple people) and (automatically) report | bugs? With the toolchain, it won't help to just rebuild the ar

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Sun, 21 Aug 2005 03:58:24 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > - must be a developer-accessible debian.org machine for the > architecture Does this part mean "developer-accessible machine is always usable for all debian developers"? Does such machine have dchroot for old-stable/stable/unstable ?

Re: WebSVN of svn.debian.org uses wrong encoding

2005-08-24 Thread W. Borgert
Quoting Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Several translation teams (including mine) still use Latin-1 as their > default...but this is not a reason to still use Latin-1 as an overall > default...:-) Btw. I looked into the d-i manuals in SVN and some Western European languages, e.g. German,

Can't we at least agree on Anti-Virus for our mail

2005-08-24 Thread Richard A Nelson
Just today 250+ viruses, mostly - clamd found the Worm.Mydoom.AT virus These are coming from master/gluck, and being a good citizen, I'm just dropping them on the floor (instead of creating backscatter). I know there's been heated debate about which, if any RBLs and other anti-spam tools to emp

Re: WebSVN of svn.debian.org uses wrong encoding

2005-08-24 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting W. Borgert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I will do that, thanks for the hint! > (However, my original plea for using UTF-8 in WebSVN remains.) Which I support, BTW, even if I understand Frans arguments. Actually, I support UTF-8 over ISO-8859-1 encoding when only one encoding is possible, for b

Re: [PATCH] Simple parallellized boot sequence (and a plea for LSB complience)

2005-08-24 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Tollef Fog Heen] > This doesn't handle the case of dynamic dependencies: That is correct. So to handle those, one need to support override files loaded from somewhere else. This also make it possible to add dependency info for scripts currently missing it. I got a sketch package working as a r

Re: Using buildds only

2005-08-24 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Goswin von Brederlow [2005-08-23 21:54 +0200]: > You have to keep the chroot up-to-date manualy anyway as sbuild does > not upgrade unless a Build-Depends requires a newer version > specificaly. That's not true for Ubuntu's buildds, they are upgraded daily. I guess with the amount of new com

Re: Results of the meeting in Helsinki about the Vancouver proposal

2005-08-24 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 11:06:37PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > (I mean, how does my proposal to drop the 'has users' requirement in favor > > of 'do we have developers' ignore the resource usage. I certainly do not > > dispute that a port uses resources.) > Ok, then perhaps it doesn't ignor

Re: invalid-arch-string-in-source-relation amd64

2005-08-24 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Shaun Jackman | What's wrong with this Build-Depends line? | | Build-Depends: ia32-libs-dev [amd64], debhelper (>= 4.1.16) Unless eagle is a toolchain package, you shouldn't build-dep on ia32-libs-dev. ia32-libs-dev is a helper package to bootstrap biarch compilers, and not suitable for gene