Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 09:03:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > polyxmass-doc That's the documentation for binaries that _are_ in sid; it was a few days late for sarge. I find this to be quite sucky, that Debian ships the program, but not the documentation. (Let's note that I'm not the maintainer,

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Ed Cogburn
On Sunday 08 May 2005 4:23pm, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ed Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sunday 08 May 2005 09:27, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> On 10283 March 1977, Ed Tomlinson wrote: > >> >> Whats going on == someone needs to check it. Thats it. > >> > > >> > That was the point ma

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 12:34:57AM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote: Stop acting like such a spoiled child. You want non-free for amd64? Host it yourself until it gets moved officially. Don't like it? You've qualified for a full refund on your purchase. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Ed Cogburn
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 3:22pm, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10285 March 1977, Ed Cogburn wrote: > >> Will you pay us for the work and cover legal fees if any should arise? > > > > Sure. Because any rational person knows it won't happen. > > Laywers arent rationale. > > > Give us one reasonable exampl

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 11 May 2005 05:47, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > / on LVM allows for snapshot backups which are the most convenient method > > of backup. > > Except that the kernel freezes the device because the DM lock and > device node updating deadlock. > > Might work with ud

Re: pine license

2005-05-10 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/10/05, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the past, UW has (in my opinion) played deliberate word games to > retroactively revoke the Freeness of a prior Pine license, and this license > is clearly non-free *without* any such stretching or contriving. I don't think the issue at tha

Re: pine license

2005-05-10 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:49:01PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Tue, 10 May 2005, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Just establish the non-free section and move everything over. If anyone > > > complains then just drop the package they're complaining about. Of > > > course, > > > NO ONE is

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. Q: are they used by a default? A: La

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:03:01PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: > These are two

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. Q: are they used by a >>> default? A: Last time I installed Debian (15 days ago), it asked me if >

Re: cogito_0.10-2 available, and request for Sponsor

2005-05-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Anibal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 08:57:56PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: ] >The package is GPLed, but depends on OpenSSL, whose license is not ] >GPL-compatible. Please ask upstream for a linking exception, or use ] >some other SHA-1 implementation. Ah

Re: cogito_0.10-2 available, and request for Sponsor

2005-05-10 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:02:44PM -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: >What license issue do you mean? The fact that it's "GPLv2 exactly, >unless Linus wants a later GPL"? I'm not lawyerly enough to see why >that's a problem. On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 08:57:56PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >The pa

Re: cogito_0.10-2 available, and request for Sponsor

2005-05-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Anibal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:22:17AM -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: ] >I'm looking for a Debian Sponsor to upload this package to the archive. ] ] I'll upload it. However, we'll have to wait until the license issue ] raised by Florian Weimer is

Re: pine license

2005-05-10 Thread Miles Bader
"Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We don't distribute it because we follow the letter of their > license which unfortunately doesn't match their intentions and even more > unfortunately they are not in a hurry to fix. But the authors of Pine > don't mind at all. They even have a pag

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Miles Bader
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only reason we don't have it is because of petty bickering and > politics between the FHS folks (several years ago). That seems a good description of the FHS in general... -Miles -- In New York, most people don't have cars, so if you want to kill a p

Re: cogito_0.10-2 available, and request for Sponsor

2005-05-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Anibal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:22:17AM -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: ] >I'm also looking to have my GPG key signed (I live in Colorado, USA), ] >and for an Advocate. ] ] What city in Colorado. Maybe there is a DD in the same city as yours. ] You

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Ext2 direntry is 8bytes plus filename (or onlined symlinks, which you have > a lot on /usr/lib). In my case 54bytes per entry. Me bad - the symlinks are inlined in the inodes of course. Gruss Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:03:01PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: These are two questions: Q: What filesystems... ? A: Every one of them

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. Q: are they used by a >> default? A: Last time I installed Debian (15 days ago), it asked me if >> I wanted my partition ext3, xfs, or reiserfs IIRC; I ch

Re: mrtg package problems

2005-05-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Adam Majer dijo [Tue, May 10, 2005 at 12:23:10PM -0500]: > Currently there are two packages that he maintains, > > http://qa.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *libnet**-easytcp-perl > **mrtg > > I would like to maintain mrtg since I do use it. As to the other > package, it probably should be orph

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > How many directory entries do you think fit in a block? If I see this right I habe 80blocks for 756 entries: # ls -a | wc -l 756 # ls -lsd 80 drwxr-xr-x 122 root root 57344 May 10 06:34 ./ Most likely in dache. Still a lot to traverse. Ext2 direntry

Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Vincent . McIntyre
> > Proposal: allow 1.3.7 into sarge, on the following basis - > > * woody has 1.3.0, ie it's used by current users of stable > > This doesn't deal with questions of possible bit rot (which your tests > address to some extent, but not completely). It also doesn't provide a > smooth upgrade path f

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Bushnell BSG dijo [Mon, May 09, 2005 at 03:08:57PM -0700]: > >> If there is a reason to separate /usr from / (which so many people > >> think there is, though I don't understand why, since it has no > >> semantic significance at all), why separate /lib from /etc? > > > > I don't see a semant

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> No lvm backup data available in case of superblock corruption. Bad >> idea. No booting with init=/bin/sh to patch things back together as / >> can't be mounted. Bad idea again. > > You can store the backup w

Re: Questions about apt-get upgrade/install semantic

2005-05-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel J. Axtens dijo [Fri, May 06, 2005 at 01:36:06PM +0800]: > > and not > > "apt-get upgrade " > > Possibly because apt-get upgrade is used to upgrade the whole system, > not just one package. My guess is that the developers didn't want to > overload the upgrade command. It is not only that -

Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Vince, On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 08:22:28AM +1000, Vincent McIntyre wrote: > apt-proxy comes in two flavours - the old shell-based one and a new shiny > python one. The most recent shell-based one is apt-proxy-1.3.7, in t-p-u. > The most recent python-based one is apt-proxy-1.9.28, in unstable.

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> Still, nobody has said. What filesystems available on Debian have a >> better than linear search time for open, and are they used by a >> default Debian install? > > /etc/ld.so.cache Um, no. ld.so.cache g

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:03:01PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: >>> These are two questions: Q: What filesystems... ? A: Every one of them >>> with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. >> >>

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. Q: are they used by a > default? A: Last time I installed Debian (15 days ago), it asked me if > I wanted my partition ext3, xfs, or reiserfs IIRC; I chose reiserfs, > and I am pretty sure finding a file in

re: packages missing from sarge (apt-proxy)

2005-05-10 Thread Vincent McIntyre
sorry to followup my own post, but... I did a few apt-proxy-import tests by removing a random set of .debs out of the cache tree and importing again. This worked correctly. Cheers Vince -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTE

Re: adduser: what is the difference between --disabled-password and--disabled-login

2005-05-10 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:14:27PM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Marc Haber said: > > On Mon, 09 May 2005 15:34:06 +0300, Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >adduser(8) states that > > > > > >With the --disabled-login option, the account will be created but >

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Brian May
> "Thomas" == Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Thomas> You've missed the point. Split / and /boot, that makes Thomas> sense if it's necessary. Splitting / and /usr does not Thomas> make sense. Bad example. A better example might be if you want to mount /usr via N

re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Vincent McIntyre
Hi I'd like to raise the question of apt-proxy. I discussed offlist with JoeyH and he wasn't keen, but now I've done a few tests and have more confidence that this is worth raising. apt-proxy comes in two flavours - the old shell-based one and a new shiny python one. The most recent shell-based

Re: cogito_0.10-2 available, and request for Sponsor

2005-05-10 Thread Adeodato =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sim=F3?=
* Sebastian Kuzminsky [Tue, 10 May 2005 11:22:17 -0600]: > I'm also looking to have my GPG key signed (I live in Colorado, USA), http://nm.debian.org/gpg.php -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new

Re: dependency on base package adduser ?

2005-05-10 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 11:19 +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > libc6 is not and may not be marked Essential, as the NM process taught me. > > So its a bad example. > > Even if it is marked as essential, you have a versioned dependency, anyway. But the po

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Why would it be desirable to have arch-os directories under libexec? For sharing the /usr tree among multiple machines with different architectures (I guess). Gruss Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > No lvm backup data available in case of superblock corruption. Bad > idea. No booting with init=/bin/sh to patch things back together as / > can't be mounted. Bad idea again. You can store the backup wherever you like, and an emergency boot via usb stick

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Still, nobody has said. What filesystems available on Debian have a > better than linear search time for open, and are they used by a > default Debian install? /etc/ld.so.cache Gruss Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 08:12:38AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > We do not have that bug, so it's not important to us. > > Still, nobody has said. What filesystems available on Debian have a > better than linear search time for open, and ar

Re: cogito_0.10-2 available, and request for Sponsor

2005-05-10 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:22:17AM -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: >I'm a wanna-be new maintainer starting out the New Maintainer process. Please refer to http://nm.debian.org/. >I'm looking for a Debian Sponsor to upload this package to the archive. I'll upload it. However, we'll have to wait

Re: Bug#308533: ITP: gstat -- A program for multivariable geostatistical modelling, prediction and simulation

2005-05-10 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Howdy, Francesco Paolo Lovergine debian.org> writes: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: "Francesco P. Lovergine" debian.org> > > * Package name: gstat > Version : 2.4.4 > Upstream Author : Edzer J. Pebesma geog.uu.nl> et al. > * URL : http://www.gstat.or

Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:42:43PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 10 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Speaking as somebody who is quite unrelated to release issues (except > that I keep my packages bug free) I have some questions: > > >were at the correct severity and tagged correctly, you

Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 10 May 2005, Adrian Bunk wrote: Speaking as somebody who is quite unrelated to release issues (except that I keep my packages bug free) I have some questions: were at the correct severity and tagged correctly, your release management is based on an assumption that isn't true. Interesting st

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Waitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hoi :) > > On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 03:45:32PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: >> Should we change some of these to /usr/libexec? > > well, it would be against the FHS, I think. > > The BSDs use libexec but I don'

Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 04:02:58PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Adrian Bunk] > > The entry "packages:" was a bug in my quick&dirty scripting... > > Thanks for making a nice summary of the relevant packages. :) > > Feel free to include the script to generate the list when you generate > dy

Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 03:54:46AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Yes, it's called "garbage in, garbage out". If people aren't going to file > bugs at the proper severity, and if package maintainers aren't going to > treat release-critical bugs with the appropriate urgency when they *are* > fil

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 10 mai 2005 à 21:37 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Le mardi 10 mai 2005 à 17:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > >> > Almost all the schemas were already moved out to /usr/share. We plan to > >> > move the defaults directo

Bug#308533: ITP: gstat -- A program for multivariable geostatistical modelling, prediction and simulation

2005-05-10 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Francesco P. Lovergine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gstat Version : 2.4.4 Upstream Author : Edzer J. Pebesma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> et al. * URL : http://www.gstat.org/ * License : GPL Description : A program f

Re: mrtg package problems

2005-05-10 Thread Laszlo Boszormenyi
Hi, On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 12:23 -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > Currently there are two packages that he maintains, Yup. > I would like to maintain mrtg since I do use it. As to the other > package, it probably should be orphaned. OK, please check the bugs, review patches etc. for mrtg. I may even s

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 11 May 2005 01:28, Goswin von Brederlow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Why would it be desirable to have arch-os directories under libexec? > > On fedora-devel Bill Nottingham suggested having /usr/lib vs /usr/lib64 for > programs that

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 11 May 2005 01:39, Goswin von Brederlow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> / on lvm is a major pain in case of error and if you already need a >> seperate / partition adding another for /boot is a bit stupid. > > / on LVM allows for snapshot b

Re: pine license

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [was Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move] > > On Tue, 10 May 2005, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> > Just establish the non-free section and move everything over. If anyone >> > complains then just drop the package they're complaining about. Of course,

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:03:01PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: >> These are two questions: Q: What filesystems... ? A: Every one of them >> with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. > > ext2 doesn't. Convert it to utilize directory hashing. Th

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le mardi 10 mai 2005 à 17:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : >> > Almost all the schemas were already moved out to /usr/share. We plan to >> > move the defaults directory structure to /var/lib/gconf after the >> > release - at least, the default

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
GOMBAS Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:16:54AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > >> the bootloader does not need to access the root filesystem. It only loads >> the kernel and the initrd from /boot. > > (I assume that /boot is on /. If not, the following still applies

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10285 March 1977, Ed Cogburn wrote: >> Will you pay us for the work and cover legal fees if any should arise? > Sure. Because any rational person knows it won't happen. Laywers arent rationale. > Give us one reasonable example of why some one would waste time and > money to sue the amd64.de

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:07:30PM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote: > On Tuesday 10 May 2005 11:19am, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Seriously, get some patience and don't inflame the situation > > please. Things like "most of that" is of zero help in deciding what > > can go in and what not. We know most

Re: packages missing from sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Sat, 7 May 2005, Joey Hess wrote: > So here is a list (from update-excuses) of all 491 packages that is > being held out of sarge[1]. If you've already done all you can on the RC > bugs on packages in sarge, take a look over it and if you spot anything > important or generally worth fixing, poi

Bug#308521: ITP: mousepad -- simple Xfce oriented text editor

2005-05-10 Thread Emanuele Rocca
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Debian Xfce Maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: mousepad Version : 0.2.2 Upstream Author : Erik Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.xfce.org/~benny/apps.html * License : GPL Description : sim

Re: mrtg package problems

2005-05-10 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 06:07:44PM +0200, Laszlo Boszormenyi wrote: > Hi, > > The mrtg and related packages seems to be orphaned. Shiju p. Nair is > last done an upload at 2004 April the 6th. Since then, there are only > NMUs, like it was NMUed constantly since 2002. The package is a bit > bad sha

pine license

2005-05-10 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
[was Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move] On Tue, 10 May 2005, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Just establish the non-free section and move everything over. If anyone > > complains then just drop the package they're complaining about. Of course, > > NO ONE is going to complain since they know we will

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:07:30PM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote: > On Tuesday 10 May 2005 11:19am, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sunday 08 May 2005 9:27am, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > In fact, looking through the non-free docs section, most of that can go

Re: Test of upgrade from Woody -> Sarge

2005-05-10 Thread Benjamin Mesing
> Manual edit of /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update ; apt-get > dist-upgrade. [NOTE: I'm fairly sure the archive layout changed for > non-US/main between Woody -> Sarge and I had problems here. Could be a > show stopper as not immediately obvious what to change] As far as I've read the list r

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Ed Cogburn
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 11:19am, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sunday 08 May 2005 9:27am, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > In fact, looking through the non-free docs section, most of that can go > > in right now because they don't require anyone's permission to

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:21:50PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: > >ext2 doesn't. > > > With dir_index, yes it does. If you want to forward port a three year old patch full of bugs and incompatible to the dir_index used in ext3 - all luck to you. All debian kernel-image packages don't have it for

Re: mrtg package problems

2005-05-10 Thread Adam Majer
Laszlo Boszormenyi wrote: >Hi, > >The mrtg and related packages seems to be orphaned. Shiju p. Nair is >last done an upload at 2004 April the 6th. Since then, there are only >NMUs, like it was NMUed constantly since 2002. The package is a bit >bad shape, would be good if someone look into them; th

cogito_0.10-2 available, and request for Sponsor

2005-05-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
cogito_0.10-2 is up, it now puts the internal scripts and the shell library in /usr/share/cogito instead of /usr/lib/cogito. Thanks to Ben Finney and Peter Samuelson for cluing me in. You can get the package here: http://highlab.com/~seb/debian The only problem I know of with the package

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Humberto Massa
Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:03:01PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: These are two questions: Q: What filesystems... ? A: Every one of them with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. ext2 doesn't. With dir_index, yes it does. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [E

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:03:01PM -0300, Humberto Massa wrote: > These are two questions: Q: What filesystems... ? A: Every one of them > with the possible exception of FAT and Minix. ext2 doesn't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Still, nobody has said. What filesystems available on Debian have a > better than linear search time for open, reiserfs, ext2/3 (with dir_index), and probably others. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Humberto Massa
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: You've missed the point. Split / and /boot, that makes sense if it's necessary. Splitting / and /usr does not make sense. Sure it does. Especially if you want / to be in a Flash disk and /usr to be somewhere else in the network. HTH Massa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 11 May 2005 01:28, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why would it be desirable to have arch-os directories under libexec? On fedora-devel Bill Nottingham suggested having /usr/lib vs /usr/lib64 for programs that care about such things and /usr/libexec for programs

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Humberto Massa
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: We do not have that bug, so it's not important to us. Still, nobody has said. What filesystems available on Debian have a better than linear search time for open, and are they used by a default Debian install? These

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 11 May 2005 01:39, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tuesday 10 May 2005 10:36, Goswin von Brederlow > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> - / can't be on lvm, raid0, raid5, reiserfs, xfs without causing > >> problems

Bug#308495: general: pmud does not turn off display

2005-05-10 Thread Jeffrey B. Green
Package: general Severity: grave When I close the lid on my iBook (clamshell, c.2000), pmud creates a screen with text on it, e.g. black screen with white text, but does not turn the screen off. It is definitely noticeable if the machine is sitting in a dark room. The green power light does go int

mrtg package problems

2005-05-10 Thread Laszlo Boszormenyi
Hi, The mrtg and related packages seems to be orphaned. Shiju p. Nair is last done an upload at 2004 April the 6th. Since then, there are only NMUs, like it was NMUed constantly since 2002. The package is a bit bad shape, would be good if someone look into them; there are even seven years old bugs

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 10 mai 2005 à 17:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > > Almost all the schemas were already moved out to /usr/share. We plan to > > move the defaults directory structure to /var/lib/gconf after the > > release - at least, the defaults brought by package; we have to keep a > > default

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Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 10 May 2005 10:36, Goswin von Brederlow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - / can't be on lvm, raid0, raid5, reiserfs, xfs without causing >> problems for /boot. > > I believe that there are LILO patches for /boot on LVM. There's no reason >

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 10 May 2005 02:18, Goswin von Brederlow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > It seems to me that /usr/libexec is a better name for such things, and >> > having the same directory names used across dis

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le mardi 10 mai 2005 à 10:21 +0200, GOMBAS Gabor a écrit : >> On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 05:42:31AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: >> >> > > - / can't be on lvm, raid0, raid5, reiserfs, xfs without causing >> > > problems for /boot. >> > >> > Why is tha

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lvm has its backup data in /etc by default. If you ever need it you > are screwed with / on lvm. Also snapshots and pvmove don't work > (deadlock). > > raid0/5 don't have support in the bootloaders. > > reiserfs/xfs miss support in bootloaders or

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> - / can't be on lvm, raid0, raid5, reiserfs, xfs without causing >> problems for /boot. > > Why is that? Lvm has its backup data in /etc by default. If you ever need it you are screwed with / on lvm. Also s

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sunday 08 May 2005 9:27am, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> On 10283 March 1977, Ed Tomlinson wrote: >> >> Whats going on == someone needs to check it. Thats it. >> > >> > That was the point made by Ed Cogburn. Its already been checked in the >> > other arch! I

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
GOMBAS Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:16:54AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > >> the bootloader does not need to access the root filesystem. It only loads >> the kernel and the initrd from /boot. > > (I assume that /boot is on /. If not, the following still applies

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 11 May 2005 00:55, GOMBAS Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:16:54AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > the bootloader does not need to access the root filesystem. It only loads > > the kernel and the initrd from /boot. > > (I assume that /boot is on /. If not

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What do you think are the original reasons "/" needed to be small? I know what they are. PDP-11 boot loaders couldn't access long block addresses. This was copied into 32V on the Vax, where it entered 4BSD. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [E

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We do not have that bug, so it's not important to us. Still, nobody has said. What filesystems available on Debian have a better than linear search time for open, and are they used by a default Debian install? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL P

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > NO ONE IS GOING TO CARE ABOUT OUR NON-FREE! You're entirely right. After having to read that lot, I'd be impressed if anyone cared about making sure amd64 shipped with non-free. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:16:54AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > the bootloader does not need to access the root filesystem. It only loads > the kernel and the initrd from /boot. (I assume that /boot is on /. If not, the following still applies to /boot.) Well, grub _does_ access the filesyste

Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

2005-05-10 Thread Ed Cogburn
On Sunday 08 May 2005 9:27am, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10283 March 1977, Ed Tomlinson wrote: > >> Whats going on == someone needs to check it. Thats it. > > > > That was the point made by Ed Cogburn. Its already been checked in the > > other arch! If this is not the case please explain why. Wit

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Re: dependency on base package adduser ?

2005-05-10 Thread John Hasler
Russ Allbery writes: > So far as I know, a base package (section base) has no particular special > meaning from a dependency perspective, although I believe that section > may be reserved for required packages (but am not sure). There are optional packages in base. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSC

Re: cogito_0.10-1 available

2005-05-10 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] It could be better described, yes. My understanding of /usr/share as ] "architecture-independent" (and read-only, as the description ] continues) is that /usr/share/can potentially be mounted read-only ] for multiple machines of different architectures. Ok,

Re: GPL and linking

2005-05-10 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/10/05, Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raul Miller wrote: > >That's another re-statement of what "a work based on the Program" > >means. > > > The GPL just equated the two, before the colon! It states, clearly, that > the "a work based on the program" is "a derivative work under co

really experimental sunbird calendar package available

2005-05-10 Thread Alexander Sack
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Just uploaded a sunbird package to my experimental p.d.o. archive. It is still not in a shape suitable for debian, but since upstream is quite a big step away from a releasable state too, I have no problems with releasing this snapshot today in su

removing packages unexpected behaviour

2005-05-10 Thread Matthijs Mohlmann
Hi, When i try to remove pdns-server while one of the backends is installed i got the following behaviour: monster:/usr/src# apt-get remove --purge pdns-server Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: pdns-backend-mysql* pdns-server*

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 10:36, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - / can't be on lvm, raid0, raid5, reiserfs, xfs without causing > problems for /boot. I believe that there are LILO patches for /boot on LVM. There's no reason why GRUB and other boot loaders couldn't be updated in

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 02:18, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It seems to me that /usr/libexec is a better name for such things, and > > having the same directory names used across distributions provides real > > benefits (copying con

Re: /usr/lib vs /usr/libexec

2005-05-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 10 mai 2005 à 10:21 +0200, GOMBAS Gabor a écrit : > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 05:42:31AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > > > > - / can't be on lvm, raid0, raid5, reiserfs, xfs without causing > > > problems for /boot. > > > > Why is that? > > Missing bootloader support. Which bootloader

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