Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-07 Thread Josh Triplett
Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jan 07, Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I'll assume for the moment you are only disagreeing with the >>driver->firmware dependencies, not the client->server dependencies, >>since the latter is standard Debian policy. > > No. What I'm saying is that if you stretc

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-07 Thread Chris Cheney
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:32:45PM +0100, xerces8 wrote: > Hi! > > ( sorry for not properly replying, I'm using a webmail ) > > Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? > How about the other MPEG stuff ? > I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. > > Regards, > David Balazic Its

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread William Ballard
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:29:20PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > I don't know. That was the impression I got from the OP's rantings. > It seemed that the old package worked without the -utils, but the > new package didn't. So when the new package was unpacked (but > couldn't be configured), it bro

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 02:55:55PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > As a workaround, the generated modules package could pre-depend on the > > utils package. That would stop dpkg from unpacking it and leaving a > > useless installation. > > Is the

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 08, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:51:58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > >On Jan 07, Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 3) Some wants to damage the ISP and sends faked mails. > >I have never seen a joe job resulting in a listing by

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:51:58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >On Jan 07, Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 3) Some wants to damage the ISP and sends faked mails. >I have never seen a joe job resulting in a listing by a reputable DNSBL. In that logic, Spamcop is not a reputa

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:50:04 -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yes, I don't think the release team has any intention of working itself >ragged to get a second release out 6 months after sarge. I also don't think >there's any consensus among developers (or users) that we *want* to re

MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-07 Thread xerces8
Hi! ( sorry for not properly replying, I'm using a webmail ) Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. Regards, David Balazic

Re: courier-maildrop vs maildrop

2005-01-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Better you file a message to BTS Am 2005-01-07 12:53:59, schrieb Clemens Schwaighofer: > Hi, > > I have a Debian/testing box, and I have a small issue with the maildrop > packages. > Later (~2 months afterwards), I decided to purge unused packages and > with them maildrop was removed _and_ the

Re: Bug#289043: ITP: perlprimer -- [Biology] Graphical design of primers for PCR

2005-01-07 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Ralf Treinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:03:08PM +0100, Steffen Moeller wrote: >> Package: wnpp >> Severity: wishlist >> >> >> * Package name: perlprimer >> Version : 1.1.5 >> Upstream Author : Owen Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> * URL :

Re: Bug#289062: ITP: kwin-deco-crystalgl -- KDE OpenGL-enabled 'Crystal' windeco

2005-01-07 Thread Christoffer Sawicki
> Would you have any problem with following the package naming proposal at > http://vemod.net/slask/policy.txt? It was posted to the debian-qt-kde > mailing list and the issues that were raised have been fixed. If not, I'd > at least like to have some input. kwin-deco-name is probably a better nam

avoid being built against libflac-dev 1.1.1-1, and upload soon

2005-01-07 Thread Adeodato Simó
Hi, you receive this mail because one of your packages depends of libflac4. See the list below. I've decided to send this mail after talking to the maintainer of one of these packages and learning that he wasn't aware of the issue. I hope you find this information useful. Recently, flac

Re: Bug#289062: ITP: kwin-deco-crystalgl -- KDE OpenGL-enabled 'Crystal' windeco

2005-01-07 Thread Christoffer Sawicki
> * Package name: kwin-deco-crystalgl Would you have any problem with following the package naming proposal at http://vemod.net/slask/policy.txt? It was posted to the debian-qt-kde mailing list and the issues that were raised have been fixed. If not, I'd at least like to have some input. T

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 07, Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll assume for the moment you are only disagreeing with the > driver->firmware dependencies, not the client->server dependencies, > since the latter is standard Debian policy. No. What I'm saying is that if you stretch the definition of "requi

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-07 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 01:08:49 -0500 || Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: km> Hi Folks, km> I have updated my diagram on the debian developement model. Any comments km> appreciated! IMHO have one wrong information on that. When the package go to experimental, it comes from DD .deb like when

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050107 19:46]: > Yes, a legend for the acronyms would be fine. Oh, I just saw, that your diagramm has a legend. I'm wondering, why I didn't noticed it the other day.. Yours sincerely, Alexander signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: updated debian development diagram -- comments?

2005-01-07 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi Kevin! * Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050106 05:52]: > > What is the target group of your diagramm? > I wanted to visualize the deb lifecycle for my understanding of 'the > debian way'. So I was the 'target'. I asked for comments here and there > to fill in missing bits. And once I did it

Re: Question about GFDL

2005-01-07 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just run over some problem I'd like to get discussed here, as it > might effect wheather some GFDL documents are distributeable at > all and thus wheather they could be included in the non-free > section or the sarge distribution. Please ask yo

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-07 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El vie, 07-01-2005 a las 20:34 +1000, Anthony Towns escribiÃ: > Someone should patch Thunderbird so it handles M-F-T:. Grump. > > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >>Packages qualify to be enter prestable after residing in testing for > >>ten days and having NO RC BUGS. The idea is to keep prestable in a >

Bug#289176: ITP: yacpi -- ncurses based acpi monitor for text mode

2005-01-07 Thread Nico Golde
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: yacpi Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.ngolde.de/yacpi/ * License : GPL Description : ncurses based acpi monitor for text mode yacpi (yet another configurat

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As a workaround, the generated modules package could pre-depend on the > utils package. That would stop dpkg from unpacking it and leaving a > useless installation. Is the installation really more useless with the modules unpackaged-but-not-configured

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-07 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El jue, 06-01-2005 a las 13:43 -0800, Will Lowe escribiÃ: > > Is that really true? I would love to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" every > > half a year. Currently it doesn't get me much. :) Now, for production > > systems, don't you do some testing *before* you upgrade the OS? > > Sure I do. But I

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005, Kees Leune wrote: > /usr/lib/appname/php Publicly loadable PHP pages > /usr/lib/appname/libIncluded PHP libraries (not reachable via httpd) > /var/lib/appname Persistant data > /etc/appname/appname.cfg Configuration > /etc/appname/apache.conf Apache c

Re: PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-07 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Quoting Kees Leune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > I am preparing an ITP for a PHP application that is currently under > development at my place of employment. While thinking about packaging > it, I was wondering if there is any PHP application policy or best > practice. I am now leaning to a setu

PHP application packaging policy/best practice?

2005-01-07 Thread Kees Leune
Hi, I am preparing an ITP for a PHP application that is currently under development at my place of employment. While thinking about packaging it, I was wondering if there is any PHP application policy or best practice. I am now leaning to a setup as follows: /usr/lib/appname/php Publicly loa

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:08:40AM +0100, Michal Politowski wrote: > Could you possibly explain clearly what is the difference > between using dpkg -i to install a package build from some *-source > and using it to install _any_ _other_ _package_? > > If you want the convenience of automatic depen

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-07 Thread Michael Poole
Matt Kraai writes: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:53:40PM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: > > To play devil's advocate: Why is wine in main? Its only use is to run > > proprietary windows programs inside the WINE environment, so it's a > > clear fit for contrib. > > No, there is free software for Micr

Re: ndiswrapper should be in contrib

2005-01-07 Thread Matt Kraai
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:53:40PM -0500, Michael Poole wrote: > To play devil's advocate: Why is wine in main? Its only use is to run > proprietary windows programs inside the WINE environment, so it's a > clear fit for contrib. No, there is free software for Microsoft Windows. See, for instanc

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-07 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:06:20AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:31:41 +1100, Andrew Pollock > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That said, this (rather large) blocker shouldn't be the issue it has been > >for this release for the next one. The two biggest blockers to releasing any >

Re: Question about GFDL

2005-01-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Bernhard R. Link: > Consider next that this info file does not contain the advertised > section nor contains the GFDL at all. I think that's why there is a @copying directive in recent Texinfo versions. You could change the Texinfo source to use it.

Question about GFDL

2005-01-07 Thread Bernhard R. Link
I just run over some problem I'd like to get discussed here, as it might effect wheather some GFDL documents are distributeable at all and thus wheather they could be included in the non-free section or the sarge distribution. Consider a (hypothetical[1]) package with some info-page having the f

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:22:43AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > > Given that -source packages do not adequately specify the dependencies > > to be able to use the output, one must NEVER run "dpkg -i" a given deb > > without first

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread Colin Watson
[Please don't mail -qa with ill-formed rants. They are not appropriate there. They are also not appropriate in the bug tracking system, so I've removed the off-topic #287949 from the cc list.] On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:58:56PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: > Given that -source packages do not ade

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-07 Thread Anthony Towns
Someone should patch Thunderbird so it handles M-F-T:. Grump. Wouter Verhelst wrote: Packages qualify to be enter prestable after residing in testing for ten days and having NO RC BUGS. The idea is to keep prestable in a highly stable state at all times, a rolling stable if you will. That's how tes

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread Michal Politowski
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:29:27 -0500, William Ballard wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:22:47PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Sorry, but a package can't install a brain. > > It builds a new package, so you look at that one before you do > > anything. Where is the problem? > > Why even bother hav

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 07, Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3) Some wants to damage the ISP and sends faked mails. I have never seen a joe job resulting in a listing by a reputable DNSBL. Did you? -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-07 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 06:10:37PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > There is some minor inconvenience to sender when a message is rejected due to > the spamcop DNSBL, but that falls into one of two categories: You forgot one: 3) Some wants to damage the ISP and sends faked mails. Bastian -- Tota

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:08:05PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 03:34:20PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > One of the biggest disadvantages of Debian for me is the long time > > > it takes for a new stable version. > > > What about saying something like: the n

Re: Always run dpkg --dry-run -i before running dpkg -i!

2005-01-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Greg Folkert [Thu, Jan 06 2005, 07:13:02PM]: > > The temporary apt-repository is the only reliable > > solution. m-a is solving a problem I don't have. > > Fine then, don't use it. It'll pull the deps before it install the > modules and unloads them and re-loads them. No, it doesn't

Re: Bug#289043: ITP: perlprimer -- [Biology] Graphical design of primers for PCR

2005-01-07 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:03:08PM +0100, Steffen Moeller wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > > * Package name: perlprimer > Version : 1.1.5 > Upstream Author : Owen Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://perlprimer.sourceforge.net > * License

Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-07 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:00:32 +0100, Jan Niehusmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good point. But that problem can be solved by some program checking that > all installed packages are actually available from the selected > distribution(s). > > That could be integrated into apt (e.g. apt-get upgrade w

Re: murphy is listed on spamcop

2005-01-07 Thread Russell Coker
On Friday 07 January 2005 10:03, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The problem with spam filtering is that it's always a matter of > > trade-offs. If there is too much spam then when deleting all the spam you > > will accidentally delete

Re: Experimental gaim_1.1.1-2 for Alpha

2005-01-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:55:14PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:57PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > >> Does it also apply to signing .dsc's? > > The archive scripts won't act on an uploaded .dsc without an accompany