Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 06:51:01PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Joel Baker writes: > > I'm going to gloss over the utter mistake of your first statement > > I am on a dialup with a "dynamic" IP number: I am allowed to borrow a > number from my ISP at need. There is no IP number over which I have a

Re: Anyone interested in libical?

2003-10-13 Thread Travis Crump
Simon Richter wrote: Hi, Is anyone interested in adopting libical? It has been orphaned for 193 days (#187030). I wouldn't mind removing it, but mozilla build-depends on it (perhaps this can be changed, tho?). Mozilla builds fine without libical. What does happen, then? Will it still be able to

Re: APT: Errors when replacing syslog by syslog-ng

2003-10-13 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK, but why are there _two_ identical messages for both klogd and anacron? Probably once for the real package "sysklogd" and once for the virtual package "system-log-daemon", since the dependencies explicitly list both. -- Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC (amu at al

Re: faster boot

2003-10-13 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:57, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >> However, if you read the paper in http://people.d.o/~hmh, and implement the >> demultiplexer, we could probably modify one of the above methods to work >> well, w

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread John Hasler
Joel Baker writes: > I'm going to gloss over the utter mistake of your first statement I am on a dialup with a "dynamic" IP number: I am allowed to borrow a number from my ISP at need. There is no IP number over which I have any administrative control. Thus I have no IP in that I would be unable

Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 01:47, David B Harris wrote: > > If you think 35 characters is too long, feel free to start filing > > thousands and thousands of bugs on all the other packages, suggesting > > that they remove little bits and pieces. > > (And if you don't, please don't bother people about it

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread John Hasler
Julian Mehnle writes: > Consider your ISP's smarthost's IP address "your IP". It makes no > difference. It would if the proposed system was unusable by those of us without static IPs, which was the impression I was getting. Evidently that impression was incorrect: good. > No, you understood it

Re: faster boot

2003-10-13 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 06:57, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > However, if you read the paper in http://people.d.o/~hmh, and implement the > demultiplexer, we could probably modify one of the above methods to work > well, while we implement ours... After hearing your talk about init systems at

Re: Anyone interested in libical?

2003-10-13 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, > > Is anyone interested in adopting libical? It has been orphaned for > > 193 days (#187030). I wouldn't mind removing it, but mozilla > > build-depends on it (perhaps this can be changed, tho?). > Mozilla builds fine without libical. What does happen, then? Will it still be able to read i

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 04:26:35PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Joel Baker writes: > > I'm sorry, but your individual desire to be able to send mail from > > anywhere on the planet, claiming to be anyone on the planet... > > What makes you think I want to claim to be "anyone on the planet"? > I hav

RE: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Julian Mehnle
John Hasler wrote: > Joel Baker writes: > > If adding .1 to your SA score for lacking a repudiation protocol, and > > 3 (or 5, or whatever) for claiming to be from a domain that denies > > that it origionates mail to the rest of the world from your IP... > > I have no IP. Outgoing mail from home

Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-13 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 11:32:33PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote: > > > Also, how do you display the names of the continents so that all of your > > non-English-speaking users can understand them? :) > I did not try a fresh install of Debian for a long time. How > do we display the language names now

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread John Hasler
Joel Baker writes: > I'm sorry, but your individual desire to be able to send mail from > anywhere on the planet, claiming to be anyone on the planet... What makes you think I want to claim to be "anyone on the planet"? I have a valid domain and I want replies and bounces to go to it. > If adding

Re: Uploader field in debian/control?

2003-10-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
Magosányi Árpád <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the policy manual there is no mention of the Uploader field of > debian/control. (version 3.6.1.0) > In the developers' reference I read: > * Add the co-maintainer's correct maintainer name and address to the > Uploaders field in the global part of

Re: gltron maintainer MIA

2003-10-13 Thread Ari Pollak
Thanks. Sorry for the short notice, I hadn't realized how outdated gltron and the ITAs were until I started getting comments from friends like "gentoo has newer games" and "gltron is so old." Needless to say, it was rather embarassing, especially since the sarge release is tentatively December 1st

Re: gltron maintainer MIA

2003-10-13 Thread Ben Armstrong
Ari, On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 02:17:43PM +1000, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Ari Pollak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-12 17:14]: > > It seems that the Debian gltron maintainer, Gregory J. Oschwald, has > > been MIA for at least a year now. I can't find him anywhere in the > > developers DB, and haven

Re: Hardcoding of .la file paths in .la files

2003-10-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:44:47PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lun 13/10/2003 à 21:36, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > > All this additional information can be provided as well by pkg-config, > > > which is much more flexible and doesn't cause random breakages. > > $ pkg-config libgnomecanvas

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Joel Baker
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 08:06:33PM +0200, Julian Mehnle wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > Julian Mehnle writes: > > > No, but this again is one of these broken "e-mail vs. real world" > > > analogies. You can't receive mail through such a letter box, but a > > > sender address is inherently meant to

Re: Hardcoding of .la file paths in .la files

2003-10-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lun 13/10/2003 à 21:36, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > All this additional information can be provided as well by pkg-config, > > which is much more flexible and doesn't cause random breakages. > > $ pkg-config libgnomecanvas-2.0 --libs > -Wl,--export-dynamic -lgnomecanvas-2 -lart_lgpl_2 -lpangof

Re: Simplicity Pattern Co. AutoReply

2003-10-13 Thread Robert Bulick
Hello,   I purchased "NEW LOOK HIS & HERS" Pattern # 6307.  The front pattern piece for all of the fronts for the tops was missing.  I'm going to Wal Mart to get another one, but thought I should let you know what happened.   Thank you,   Cindy Bulick    

Re: Hardcoding of .la file paths in .la files

2003-10-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 09:02:06PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dim 12/10/2003 à 03:31, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > If I was comfortable that .la files were completely dispensable on > > GNU/Linux systems, I wouldn't hesitate to do that, but I'm not. They > > *do* provide additional inform

Re: Hardcoding of .la file paths in .la files

2003-10-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dim 12/10/2003 à 03:31, Steve Langasek a écrit : > If I was comfortable that .la files were completely dispensable on > GNU/Linux systems, I wouldn't hesitate to do that, but I'm not. They > *do* provide additional information that's useful to people linking > applications statically; and while

Re: Packaging sysfsutils: static library?

2003-10-13 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-10-13 15:26 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >It is a separate upstream package. > Then feel free to package it, as long as I keep udev I don't mind. :-) Okay :-) We only have to get the dependencies right, as long as libsysfs provides only a shared lib, udev should build-depend on it. I

Uploader field in debian/control?

2003-10-13 Thread Magosányi Árpád
Hi! In the policy manual there is no mention ofthe Uploader field of debian/control. (version 3.6.1.0) In the developers' reference I read: * Add the co-maintainer's correct maintainer name and address to the Uploaders field in the global part of the debian/control file It seemed to me that onl

trust

2003-10-13 Thread Kolapo Omidire
I am Mr. Kolapo Omidire,company secretary/Manager, internal and external services of COMMERCIAL BANK OF AFRICA.I was the accounts officer of late Mr. Alan a national of your country, who used to work with The Nigerian Mining Corporation(NMC) here in Nigeria who was banking with our bank. On

RE: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Julian Mehnle
John Hasler wrote: > Julian Mehnle writes: > > No, but this again is one of these broken "e-mail vs. real world" > > analogies. You can't receive mail through such a letter box, but a > > sender address is inherently meant to be a valid address through which > > you can be contacted (among other c

Re: Re: APT: Errors when replacing syslog by syslog-ng

2003-10-13 Thread Frans Pop
>> dpkg: sysklogd: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: >> klogd depends on sysklogd | system-log-daemon; however: >> Package sysklogd is to be removed. >> Package system-log-daemon is not installed. >> Package sysklogd which provides system-log-daemon is to be removed. >

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread John Hasler
Julian Mehnle writes: > No, but this again is one of these broken "e-mail vs. real world" > analogies. You can't receive mail through such a letter box, but a > sender address is inherently meant to be a valid address through which > you can be contacted (among other criteria). I can no more be c

RE: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Julian Mehnle
John Hasler wrote: > Julian Mehnle writes: > > It does very well make sense to specify a "sender address" for an > > e-mail, and that's exactly what the SMTP "MAIL FROM" command AKA > > envelope-from (and the "Sender:" header) is meant to be. Even RFCs > > (2)821 and (2)822 articulate it that way.

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Michael Poole
Julian Mehnle writes: > Michael Poole wrote: >> Mail is not sent from any particular address at all; it is sent by a >> person or program. It is delivered to one or more addresses. The >> From: address and SMTP and envelope sender addresses are for human >> understanding and status reporting. >

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread John Hasler
Julian Mehnle writes: > It does very well make sense to specify a "sender address" for an e-mail, > and that's exactly what the SMTP "MAIL FROM" command AKA envelope-from > (and the "Sender:" header) is meant to be. Even RFCs (2)821 and (2)822 > articulate it that way. Nowhere do these RFCs state

RE: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Julian Mehnle
Michael Poole wrote: > Julian Mehnle writes: > > Don't you agree on my understanding of a sender address (or source > > mailbox) being the address (or source mailbox) the sender sends > > from? If so, please state it explicitly, so I have something I can > > argue against. :-) > > Mail is not sen

Re: [debian-devel] Re: APT: Errors when replacing syslog by syslog-ng

2003-10-13 Thread Magosányi Árpád
Hi! The doubled restart of syslog-ng is already reported as bug #204631 Will try to sort out RSN. A levelezőm azt hiszi, hogy Josip Rodin a következőeket írta: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > I just got the following messages replacing syslog by syslog-ng from >

reiser on /, fsck and ro: bug?

2003-10-13 Thread A Mennucc
hello I have set up a box that uses reiserfs as the root filesystem I have noticed 3 facts that seem to be bugs (but I could not tell for sure) 1- I use a stock kernel by Herbert XU, which uses initrd; when initrd's /sbin/init is run, eventually it mounts the root from the hard disk, and it alway

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Michael Poole
Julian Mehnle writes: > Don't you agree on my understanding of a sender address (or source > mailbox) being the address (or source mailbox) the sender sends > from? If so, please state it explicitly, so I have something I can > argue against. :-) Mail is not sent from any particular address at a

Re: Packaging sysfsutils: static library?

2003-10-13 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 13, Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> BTW, I may have been missing something as I did not read the beginning >> of this thread, but I don't see the point of packaging sysfsutils: >It is a separate upstream package. Then feel free to package it, as long as I keep udev I don't mind

RE: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Julian Mehnle
Andreas Metzler wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 02:47:44PM +0200, Julian Mehnle wrote: > > There you have it. It's the "source mailbox", and while it can be > > used to report errors, it can *not only* be used to report errors. > > I'm relieved that the RFC doesn't contradict my common sense > >

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 02:47:44PM +0200, Julian Mehnle wrote: > Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Julian Mehnle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Andreas Metzler wrote: If I send an e-mail over mail.nusrf.at with envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am _not_ forging anything or making "unauthoriz

Re: APT: Errors when replacing syslog by syslog-ng

2003-10-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > I just got the following messages replacing syslog by syslog-ng from dselect > (Woody). > Should this be reported as a bug? Against which package (syslog, syslog-ng, > apt)? > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > sysklogd > Th

RE: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Julian Mehnle
Andreas Metzler wrote: > Julian Mehnle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andreas Metzler wrote: > > > If I send an e-mail over mail.nusrf.at with envelope-from > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am _not_ forging anything or making > > > "unauthorized use of domains" > > > > Yes, you are. The envelope-from ad

Bug#213822: ST Online Antivirus MAIL - pocitacovy virus detekovany! / computer virus detected!

2003-10-13 Thread RAV AntiVirus
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Bug#213822: ST Online Antivirus MAIL - pocitacovy virus detekovany! / computer virus detected!

2003-10-13 Thread RAV AntiVirus
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Re: Bug#215556: ITP: gsysutils -- Set of utilities useful to system administrators

2003-10-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:45:07PM +, Robert Millan wrote: > GNU Sysutils is intended to compliment coreutils. These utilities > are ones that are either primarily useful to system administrators, > or would need to be installed by a system administrator to be useful > (Usually because they req

Bug#215556: ITP: gsysutils -- Set of utilities useful to system administrators

2003-10-13 Thread Robert Millan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: gsysutils * URL : http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/sysutils * License : GPL Description : Set of utilities useful to system administrators GNU Sysutils is intended to compliment coreutils. These utilities are ones that

Re: Help needed: builds eating all memory

2003-10-13 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 04:00:34PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: >>My openvrml packages have been failing to build on arm [1], mips [2] >> and mipsel [3] for some time. From the build logs, it looks like g++ is >> eating all the memory and the OOM killer ki

Re: faster boot

2003-10-13 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:05:24PM +0200, Andrea Mennucc wrote: > I would be delighted to have a faster boot: my boot times (excluding > BIOS) are 60sec-90sec (using the ditributed kernel by Herbert XU), and > this is very long (particularly for my Freevo-box) > > is anyone trying to implement

Re: faster boot

2003-10-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Andrea Mennucc wrote: > there has been a lot of interest lately on tecniques to obtain a faster > boot; for example > > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html > http://www.fefe.de/minit/ > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0204.0/0674.html

Re: Which packages will hold up the release?

2003-10-13 Thread Björn Stenberg
Colin Watson wrote: > In the first example, the fact that foo depends on bar while > simultaneously conflicting with the version of bar in the suite you're > looking at is the thing that's bad, because it means foo can't be > installed. The second example is OK, even though foo and bar can't be > i

faster boot

2003-10-13 Thread Andrea Mennucc
hello there has been a lot of interest lately on tecniques to obtain a faster boot; for example http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html http://www.fefe.de/minit/ http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0204.0/0674.html http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/boo

Fwd: Re: Anyone interested in libical?

2003-10-13 Thread Sebastian Ley
Am Mo, den 13.10.2003 schrieb Martin Michlmayr um 07:37: > Is anyone interested in adopting libical? It has been orphaned for > 193 days (#187030). I wouldn't mind removing it, but mozilla > build-depends on it (perhaps this can be changed, tho?). I had a look at it, but upstream seems to be not

Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Riku Voipio
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 12:34:46AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Riku Voipio > I have mail-followup-set for a reason. In addition, it is normal > policy on Debian lists not to Cc people unless explicitly requested. Hmm. my mutt setup appears to be b0rken then. sorry about that. need to loo

Bug#215522: ITP: aspell-pt-br -- The Brazilian Portuguese dictionary for GNU Aspell

2003-10-13 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-10-13 Severity: wishlist * Package name: aspell-pt-br Version : Upstream Author : * URL : http://people.debian.org/~rafael/br.ispell * License : GPL Description : The Brazilian Portuguese dictionary for

Bug#213822: ST Online Antivirus MAIL - pocitacovy virus detekovany! / computer virus detected!

2003-10-13 Thread RAV AntiVirus
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Re: recent spam to this list

2003-10-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
Julian Mehnle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Julian Mehnle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > It's about forging an e-mail sender's identity. By preventing the >> > unauthorized use of domains as the sender domain of e-mails, most of >> > the practiced cases of identity forger

Re: Packaging sysfsutils: static library?

2003-10-13 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-10-13 1:45 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > BTW, I may have been missing something as I did not read the beginning > of this thread, but I don't see the point of packaging sysfsutils: It is a separate upstream package. > as it's part of the udev source package Well, they copied the li

Re: 2.5 IPsec kernel patch: orphaning the grsecurity patch

2003-10-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, martin f krafft wrote: > Herbert gets to pollute the kernel-source all he wants because > apparently noone gives a flying food. Disagree. Some people, myself among them, have stated their unhappiness. To me personally, though, it doesn't matter that much. I'd rather spend the time on gettng

Re: Anyone interested in libical?

2003-10-13 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Martin Michlmayr wrote: > Is anyone interested in adopting libical? It has been orphaned for > 193 days (#187030). I wouldn't mind removing it, but mozilla > build-depends on it (perhaps this can be changed, tho?). Mozilla builds fine without libical. -- - nobse

Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server

2003-10-13 Thread David B Harris
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:44:57 -0400 David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Obviously if the short description is too long, something needs to go - > and in that case, certainly not mentioning the toolkit is reasonable. > However, in this particular case ("gtk/gnome client for masqdialer > serve

Re: Bug#215103: ITP: gmasqdialer -- gtk/gnome client for masqdialer server

2003-10-13 Thread David B Harris
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:02:47 -0400 Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David B Harris wrote: > > > As much as you may dislike it, people care about toolkit. I don't > > understand the witch-hunt to remove references to such things. > > Short description is a limited resource. By all means, put

Anyone interested in libical?

2003-10-13 Thread Martin Michlmayr
Is anyone interested in adopting libical? It has been orphaned for 193 days (#187030). I wouldn't mind removing it, but mozilla build-depends on it (perhaps this can be changed, tho?). Description: Development environment for libical Libical is an Open Source implementation of the IETF's

Re: Bug#215205: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

2003-10-13 Thread Paul Hampson
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 08:17:06PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 02:32:39PM +0100, Dale Amon wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:56:46PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Dale Amon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > And if I'm a german living in america? > > > Then