Re: Changelogs (Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e"))

2003-06-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 07:06:12PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > mdz writes: > > When I open a Debian changelog, I expect to see changes which are > > pertinent to Debian development. This obviously includes changes which > > affect the status of Debian bug reports. > > >From Debian-Policy 3.5.10.

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-02 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Monday 02 June 2003 17:47, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > On Monday 02 June 2003 04:09, Luiz Rafael Culik Guimaraes wrote: > > > How to start debian direct on console mode, > > > > Eh? I thought Debian always started in console mode unless you both >

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 03:13:35AM +0200, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > The other possibillitie would be to deaktivate all start up links for > those login managers using the "update-rc.d" command. Or to install file-rc and edit /etc/runlevel.conf. Daniel -- /--

Packages file under version control

2003-06-02 Thread Glenn McGrath
If we put the Packages file under some sort of version control (e.g. cvs), bandwidth requirments would be minimised as cvs automatically takes care of diff's and patching, and i assume the CPU load from cvs server is a lot better than rsync. Glenn

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-02 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Luiz Rafael Culik Guimaraes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030602 13:09]: > How to start debian direct on console mode, One possibilitie is to remove all display manager packages: apt-get remove --purge xdm kdm gdm wdm (Perhaps you didn't installed all of them.) The other possibillitie would be to dea

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > On Monday 02 June 2003 04:09, Luiz Rafael Culik Guimaraes wrote: > > How to start debian direct on console mode, > Eh? I thought Debian always started in console mode unless you both > installed > xdm (or the gnome/kde equivalent) and enabled it.

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-02 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030603 01:06]: > > How to start debian direct on console mode, > Eh? I thought Debian always started in console mode unless you both > installed > xdm (or the gnome/kde equivalent) and enabled it. Which is the case, if he choosed "desktop environment

Re: Changelogs (Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e"))

2003-06-02 Thread John Hasler
mdz writes: > When I open a Debian changelog, I expect to see changes which are > pertinent to Debian development. This obviously includes changes which > affect the status of Debian bug reports. >From Debian-Policy 3.5.10.0: Debian Policy Manual - Source packages (from old Packaging Manual)

Re: new bug tags

2003-06-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 01:21:14PM -0300, Andre Luis Lopes wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 12:05:42PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña > wrote: > > > > I thinks that the long-asked by i18n maintainers 'translation' tag should > > probably be added too. It helps boths translators and mainta

Re: console mode(probally off)

2003-06-02 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Monday 02 June 2003 04:09, Luiz Rafael Culik Guimaraes wrote: > Dear Friends > > How to start debian direct on console mode, > > Regards > Luiz Eh? I thought Debian always started in console mode unless you both installed xdm (or the gnome/kde equivalent) and enabled it.

Re: Celebrating Debian's 10th birthday?

2003-06-02 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Sunday 01 June 2003 18:24, Alexander Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > While digging around in the calendar-files at infodrom.org I suddenly > realized that Debian will have it's 10th birthday at August, 16th > (according to the calendar.infodrom.debian file at > http://www.infodrom.org/projects/calendar

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-02 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:23:55 +0200, "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > > > Does this mean there simply is no such documentation? > > > > I think it's pretty clear how it should be done. Once we adopt the > > system, we can point system administrators to the relevant file in our >

Changelogs (Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e"))

2003-06-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 07:42:05AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. There is no record in the package that a bug report in the Debian BTS > > was closed in this version. What about other users who experienced the same > > Why should that be in the pa

Re: Proposal: a generic dpkg event hook broker

2003-06-02 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Jarno Elonen wrote: Already being planned for dpkg 2.0. Note, this has to be tied in with the status of the package being hooked, as the status changes state, so it really needs to be done in dpkg.

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:07:00PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > >> OK. Let me ask you this question: what if the maintainer uploads a >> new upstream release which happens to fix bug #xxx, and then sends >> a message by hand to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: [Gaim-devel] Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license#

2003-06-02 Thread Sean Egan
On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 15:28, Robert McQueen wrote: > My concern is that even if you distribute > in source form, you're still condoning ignoring part of Gaim's license, > which seems highly dubious. So as well as saying "Debian will never ship > this" as a Debian developer, I was also saying "pleas

Re: Status of Sarge Release Issues (Updated for June)

2003-06-02 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Drew Scott Daniels wrote: > 2 i386 libc support? (The large thread starting with > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200304/msg01895.html > and going into the May archive talks about this). Do we have to wait for > upstream to fix this? We want to stay compatible with othe

Re: Changelog issues with (among others) tkdiff 1:3.08-4

2003-06-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 12:01:40PM -0400, Lukas Geyer wrote: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I really enjoy reading a well-written changelog (and I'm subscribed to > > d-d-changes so I tend to read them all), so I'm interested in improving > > the quality of ones that aren't quite

Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license#

2003-06-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 08:28:43PM +0100, Robert McQueen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:25:32AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > It should be noted that this can only be a violation of the GPL if > > someone is distributing the encryption plugin in binary form. (Does > > Gentoo distribute bin

Status of Sarge Release Issues (Updated for June)

2003-06-02 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
I didn't have much of a chance to update this report to be accurate to more than from a few days ago, but here it is as I'll likely be busy for the next few days. I'll try to post another message updating this stuff again next month. Note I haven't included the latest apt translation announcement o

Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license#

2003-06-02 Thread Robert McQueen
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:25:32AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > It should be noted that this can only be a violation of the GPL if > someone is distributing the encryption plugin in binary form. (Does > Gentoo distribute binaries of this software?) It is generally held that > it would also *not

package naming

2003-06-02 Thread Deedra Waters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been working on the package "kernel-patch-speakup" which has a source package called speakup-cvs and produces the binary called kernel-patch-speakup_20021221-1_all.deb, well, there is a stable version of speakup that I'd like to package and have

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 06:23, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > > Does this mean there simply is no such documentation? > > > > I think it's pretty clear how it should be done. Once we adopt the > > system, we can point system administrators to the relevant file in our > > documentation, and give pointe

Re: Bug#195481: fragmented location info: hassle for users especially mobile ones

2003-06-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2003-06-02 at 19:38, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I think that's the best solution. There are parts of the world with more > than one official language, and in some of those parts (such as Quebec, > or Belgium), guessing incorrectly may be a good way to severely piss > off a user. Additonally,

Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license

2003-06-02 Thread Bill Tompkins
Rob- Thanks for your email. When I initially started using OpenSSL with the Gaim-Encryption plugin, I had no plans of distributing binaries of it, and thus I wasn't overly worried about the license issues associated with OpenSSL. I hadn't revisited those issues before releasing the precompiled

Bug#195481: fragmented location info: hassle for users especially mobile ones

2003-06-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 05:16:21PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 08:29:03AM -0600, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: > > Well okay, granted ... but the locale would almost always be > > explicitly set, and wouldn't change when eg the lat/long are > > modified. > > I disagree on

Re: Changelog issues with (among others) tkdiff 1:3.08-4

2003-06-02 Thread Lukas Geyer
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I really enjoy reading a well-written changelog (and I'm subscribed to > d-d-changes so I tend to read them all), so I'm interested in improving > the quality of ones that aren't quite up-to-par. If there's a consensus > that it's futile or pointless eff

Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license

2003-06-02 Thread Brandon Low
On Mon, 06/02/03 at 09:25:32 -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 06:21:55AM +0100, Robert McQueen wrote: > > > As a preamble if I just gatecrashed your mailbox or mailing list without > > warning, I am the Debian package maintainer for Gaim, as well as a > > frequent contributor

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:07:00PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > OK. Let me ask you this question: what if the maintainer uploads a > new upstream release which happens to fix bug #xxx, and then sends > a message by hand to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "This bug is fixed in upstream version

Bug#195481: fragmented location info: hassle for users especially mobile ones

2003-06-02 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 08:29:03AM -0600, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: > Well okay, granted ... but the locale would almost always be > explicitly set, and wouldn't change when eg the lat/long are > modified. I disagree on that particular point. If someone installs a Debian, and the install programs

Re: [Gaim-devel] Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license

2003-06-02 Thread Luke Schierer
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:25:32AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 06:21:55AM +0100, Robert McQueen wrote: > > > As a preamble if I just gatecrashed your mailbox or mailing list without > > warning, I am the Debian package maintainer for Gaim, as well as a > > frequent contr

Re: Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license

2003-06-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 06:21:55AM +0100, Robert McQueen wrote: > As a preamble if I just gatecrashed your mailbox or mailing list without > warning, I am the Debian package maintainer for Gaim, as well as a > frequent contributor to upstream development. I have just found out > today that the Gai

Bug#195813: ITP: open21xx -- Free assembler and linker for ADSP-21xx DSPs

2003-06-02 Thread Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: open21xx Version : 0.6.0 Upstream Author : Keith Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL or Web page : http://www3.telus.net/sharpshin/ * License : GNU GPL Description : Free assembler and linker for ADSP-21xx DSPs Open21x

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 10:29:56PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > >> what if the maintainer uploads a new upstream release which happens to fix > >> bug #xxx, and then sends a message by hand to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> with the message "This bug is fixed in upstream version x.y.z". > > > > The submitte

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Herbert Xu
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:07:00PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: >> what if the maintainer uploads a new upstream release which happens to fix >> bug #xxx, and then sends a message by hand to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the message "This bug is fixed in upstream ve

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:07:00PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > what if the maintainer uploads a new upstream release which happens to fix > bug #xxx, and then sends a message by hand to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the message "This bug is fixed in upstream version x.y.z". The submitter would still hav

Re: [ANN] Quantian: A Knoppix remastering for Scientific Computing

2003-06-02 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > While I like any project which tries to connect Knoppix and Debian > > stronger I think the project you mentioned above is doing the second > > step. In several threads in the debian-knoppix mailing list especially > > "Second step" ? I don't get i

console mode(probally off)

2003-06-02 Thread Luiz Rafael Culik Guimaraes
Dear Friends How to start debian direct on console mode, Regards Luiz

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Herbert Xu
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was only ever in the situation where naming closed bugs in the changelog > was non-trivial on two occasions, when the upstream maintainer sent me the > list of bugs he reviewed and said should be closed. Both times I reviewed > the lists myself, to doub

Re: ATI Linux Driver Packages

2003-06-02 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 05:34:57PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > Uhh, that's utterly incorrect. My Radeon 9000 has out-of-the-box 3D > support, as do original Radeons, and all Radeon 7xxx, 8xxx, and > 9[01]00 cards. The 9200 *may*, but I'm unsure. Hell, GATOS will even > give you VIVO support.

Re: ATI Linux Driver Packages

2003-06-02 Thread Teófilo Ruiz Suárez
I've just bought a Dell Inspiron 8500, with an ATI Radeon Mobility 9000, and it works perfectly with the drm modules from drm.sf.net. 2D&3D acceleration, swsusp and so on. 6083 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1216.600 FPS I think it could be a nice idea to get the xlibmesa4-drm-src from penguinppc.org p

Proposal: a generic dpkg event hook broker

2003-06-02 Thread Jarno Elonen
Hi, Packages often benefit from having other packages installed but don't necessary require them, hence 'suggests' and 'recommends'. Such packages, however, often require additional configuration to make them work with those optional packages. It's not usually very complicated and could in man

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:54:47AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > I care about the fact that S/N in d-d is already bad enough without > having to watch (out for) these pissing contests. You may notice that some of us will care about what you're saying only if you complain about the next fri

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-06-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
> > Does this mean there simply is no such documentation? > > I think it's pretty clear how it should be done. Once we adopt the > system, we can point system administrators to the relevant file in our > documentation, and give pointers to the file format. I think there should first be a documen

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 07:39:38AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > * Closes: > > > > also says this version fixes a problem reported in #, but I think we > > can all agree that's not an acceptable entry. > > I most strongly disagree. The practice of closing upstream bugs with > the "New u

Re: new bug tags

2003-06-02 Thread Guido Guenther
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 08:02:08PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > While James' point that parsing wanna-build output is not hard may be > valid, finding out whether a failure recorded in the wanna-build > database is arch-specific or not seems quite hard to me, since that > information is not in t

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Mathieu Roy
Steve Kowalik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > At 7:57 am, Monday, June 2 2003, Herbert Xu mumbled: > > So what? The *Debian* changelog is for Debian changes only. It's not there > > for listing upstream changes, copyright information, or who your favourite > > TV personality is. > > > And if

Re: Celebrating Debian's 10th birthday?

2003-06-02 Thread Alexander Neumann
Hi Martin, Martin Schulze wrote: > I hope to get a party somewhere in middle Germany, similar but larger > than last year's party. However, there's nobody planning on details > yet. If you have a party facility[1] nearby would you mind checking > it out? At that time I'm doing my social service

Re: Bug#194550: ITP: libemail-mime-encodings-perl -- A unified interfa

2003-06-02 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-26 20:30]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerfried Fuchs) wrote on 26.05.03 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Please, don't simply massfile ITPs without thinking on their impact and >> without any deeper informations > > Please don't assume someone jasn't thought

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Andreas Barth
* Rene Engelhard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030602 01:05]: > > However, it really might be better to put a longer statement into > > changelog. _But_ it's certainly much worse to re-open a really closed > > bug than to make a too short changelog entry. (BTW: You should really > a wrongly closed... (whit

Re: Celebrating Debian's 10th birthday?

2003-06-02 Thread Ben Burton
> Are there any parties planned already? ;) Well, it coincides with the first day of the international olympiad in informatics, so with all the computer geeks around I'm hoping there will be someone else there to celebrate with. :) Ben.

Re: Bug#193497: marked as done (svtools: svsetup uses bashism "echo -e")

2003-06-02 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 06:34:49PM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: >Now maybe public humiliation and eternal ridiculation on > debian-devel is not necessary I can't care less for this "humiliation and ridiculation". I care about the fact that S/N in d-d is already bad enough without having to

Re: ATI Linux Driver Packages

2003-06-02 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:16:12 -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 09:42:10PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > > Are these drivers much better then than XFree ones or is there a reason > > to be promoting nonfree drivers? I orginally packaged up the nvidia ones > > in the way they are done

Re: new bug tags

2003-06-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 08:19:53AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Mark Brown wrote: > > Something that would be really useful would be to open up the ability to > > annotate the buildd logs more widely. I've often felt that the buildd > > logs would be a lot more useful if they linked into the BT

Re: ATI Linux Driver Packages

2003-06-02 Thread Chris Cheney
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:16:12PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > I think you might be the "sucker". :) [ok, it's not a flame thing]. > Does the radeon driver support 3D accel for cards beyond the R1xx level? > ie. something like Radeon 7500. I don't think that Radeon 8500, 8800, etc..a > are supported

Re: Celebrating Debian's 10th birthday?

2003-06-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Alexander Neumann wrote: > While digging around in the calendar-files at infodrom.org I suddenly > realized that Debian will have it's 10th birthday at August, 16th > (according to the calendar.infodrom.debian file at > http://www.infodrom.org/projects/calendar/) > > Are there any parties planned

Re: new bug tags

2003-06-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Mark Brown wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 03:33:29PM +0100, James Troup wrote: > > > I don't; it's silly. At best you'll get an architecture tag for the > > arch that the buildd maintainer reported the bug on, but that's it. > > An inaccurate architecture tag is worse than useless, it's mislead

Re: ATI Linux Driver Packages

2003-06-02 Thread Matthew P. McGuire
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 09:42:10PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > Are these drivers much better then than XFree ones or is there a reason > to be promoting nonfree drivers? I recently bought an entirely new machine with a Radeon 9500 Pro in it. None of the XFree86 drivers in woody would run on it.

Gaim-Encryption plugin violates Gaim's license

2003-06-02 Thread Robert McQueen
(cc'ing debian-devel to discourage people from ITPing this, or filing more wishlist bugs on Gaim for me to include it, cc'ing Gentoo's maintainer for the Gaim emerge because they include Gaim-Encryption, cc'ing gaim-devel so everyone there knows, cc'ing fedora-devel because they currently ship the