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Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 08:52:07PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 10:20, Steve Langasek wrote: > > However, I've seen problems caused by the use of the short name only in > > /etc/hostname (mostly mail-related, maybe?) and I systematically change > > this to hold the FQDN

Re: [OT?] Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-05-29 Thread Brian Nelson
Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:12:28AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> I use subversion for some things, but I haven't moved my Debian >> package repositories over yet because I've just had too many problems >> with subversion. It's just not stable enoug

Re: Accepted lynx-cur 2.8.5-11 (i386 source all)

2003-05-29 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
From: Thomas Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Accepted lynx-cur 2.8.5-11 (i386 source all) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:27:14 -0400 (EDT) > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Format: 1.7 > > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:25:53 +0900 > > Source: lyn

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 10:20, Steve Langasek wrote: > However, I've seen problems caused by the use of the short name only in > /etc/hostname (mostly mail-related, maybe?) and I systematically change > this to hold the FQDN on my systems. Haven't filed a bug about this, > because I'm not sure if i

Re: Bug#195226: ITP: riece -- redesign of the Liece IRC client for Emacs

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 06:33, OHASHI Akira wrote: > Description : redesign of the Liece IRC client for Emacs > > Riece is a redesign of the Liece IRC client. I hope you don't intend to use that as your package description. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [OT?] Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-05-29 Thread Jonathan Oxer
> On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:12:28AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > > I use subversion for some things, but I haven't moved my Debian > > package repositories over yet because I've just had too many problems > > with subversion. It's just not stable enough yet, IMO. FWIW I've started managing the a

Re: Bug#195236: ITP: eclipse-cdt -- C(++) Development Tools for Eclipse

2003-05-29 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Thursday 29 May 2003 05:15 am, Jan Schulz wrote: > As I'm more a java guy (it's a C IDE written in java), I would like > to have someone testing the functionality. I will drop a mail with > the apt repository, when I'm ready with packaging... > > As I'm not a DD yet, this packages will need a sp

[OT?] Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-05-29 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:12:28AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > I use subversion for some things, but I haven't moved my Debian > package repositories over yet because I've just had too many problems > with subversion. It's just not stable enough yet, IMO. Maybe it's a bit OT here ... I hope not

Re: Bug#195309: ITP: jools -- graphical pattern-matching puzzle game

2003-05-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 06:36:25PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 17:07, Niklas T. Vainio wrote: > > > Description : Jools is a graphical pattern matching game that follows > The description synopsis should be a full sentence. It should be a noun clause, not a complete

Re: Bug#195309: ITP: jools -- graphical pattern-matching puzzle game

2003-05-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 17:07, Niklas T. Vainio wrote: > Description : Jools is a graphical pattern matching game that follows The description synopsis should be a full sentence. Also there is no need to repeat the package name, since package user agents will display it alongside the synopsi

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 16:22, Josip Rodin wrote: > It's very nice to see that the rest of the world has been kind enough > not to tell anything about deploying this to our menu system maintainer. :P http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200207/msg00815.html (and the long thread it

Re: Cross-compiler for sparc64

2003-05-29 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Am 2003-05-29 10:59 -0400 schrieb Ben Collins: > You can comment out the error in init/main.c and get working kernel. Thanks for this hint! I will try that. > You presume too much. egcs64 is still the prefered compiler for 2.4.x > sparc64 kernels, and 2.6 wont be around for awhile. Actually

Bug#195313: ITP: libopenhbci-plugin-ddvcard -- DDV Chipcard Plugin for libopenhbci

2003-05-29 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-05-29 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libopenhbci-plugin-ddvcard Version : 0.9.11 Upstream Authors: Fabian Kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martin Preuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christian Stimming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 09:20:34AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > However, I've seen problems caused by the use of the short name only in > /etc/hostname (mostly mail-related, maybe?) and I systematically change Most MTA's (at least: sendmail, postfix and exim) has options in configuration which al

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 29, "Nikita V. Youshchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? As you can see from the other replies, this is mostly a matters of taste and religion. I do not know about any definitive standard for this matter. Programs should be int

Bug#195309: ITP: jools -- graphical pattern-matching puzzle game

2003-05-29 Thread Niklas T. Vainio
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-05-29 Severity: wishlist * Package name: jools -- graphical pattern-matching puzzle game Version : 0.10 Upstream Author : Paul Pelzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~pelzlpj/jools/ * License : GPL

Info dir mangled

2003-05-29 Thread Peter S Galbraith
A recent dist-upgrade on sid mangled the Info dir file beyond recognition. The indentation was changed to: * CVS: (cvs).Concurrent Versions System * CVS client/server: (cvsclient).Desc

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Chris Cheney
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 04:16:38PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 14:12, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > - Imagine, for example, a developer files his > > browser in Apps/Browsers instead of Apps/Net - What can we do about it? > > Um, patch it, just like we do for other upstream things

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 09:20:34AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? > > > Is this documented anywhere? > > > > I've always thougth that /etc/hostname should contain short hostname. > > > But e.g. etherconf package puts FQDN name the

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 11:18:27AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > Is the Debian menu system going to convert to using the freedesktop > > > menu spec? > > > > > > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/menu/draft/menu-spec/menu-spec.html > > > > > > As far as I know both Gnome and KDE follow it

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 14:12, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I am not too sure I want this... One of the great things about our menu > system is that it complies with a rather logical policy - menus are not > overly nested. That's an independent issue from switching to the .desktop format. The .desktop men

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Chris Cheney
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 01:12:08PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I am not too sure I want this... One of the great things about our menu > system is that it complies with a rather logical policy - menus are not > overly nested. I don't know how is the .desktop format, but I understand > it is just th

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Mathieu Roy
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > I am not too sure I want this... One of the great things about our menu > system is that it complies with a rather logical policy - menus are not > overly nested. I don't know how is the .desktop format, but I understand > it is just that - a format. I r

Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 69 - branches/4.3.0/sid/debian

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:59:01AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > Branden Robinson writes: > > On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:22:41PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > > Branden Robinson writes: > > > > Questions for debian-{x,devel}: > > > > > > > > 1) Should libstdc++-dev dependencies be made "artifi

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Colin Walters dijo [Thu, May 29, 2003 at 11:18:27AM -0400]: > > I have read this standard again and again and I have trouble to > > see how far it is relevant to the Debian menu system: > > Primarily because the rest of the world has settled on the .desktop > format as the standard for menus. The

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-29 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 08:26:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > As far as I could tell, we don't have any other examples at present, > than alsa and pcmcia. Since no one seems to have replied correcting me, there's also apparently linux-wlan-ng-modules-*, i2c-*, and lm-sensors-*. Cheers, aj --

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 03:43:56PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? > Is this documented anywhere? There is no real standard on this. Both is possible. Most Software works like this: - if you need a unqualified hostname, use the

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? > Is this documented anywhere? A religous argument. Some like it one way and some like it the other way. Be prepared for a long discussion thread. > I've always thougth that /etc/hostname should conta

Re: pilot-link in Sid and Sarge: Much bigger question

2003-05-29 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Le vendredi 25 avril 2003 à 15:27:57, David Krider a écrit: > I would love whatever pointers the lists may have to offer on this, but > it raises a much larger question about versions and currency in general. > I see that pilot-link is the same version in Sid as it is in Woody, and > that version i

Re: Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-05-29 Thread Brian Nelson
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was looking for some pointers about managing package sources with > subversion. I've got a grasp of the basics and I have looked at a > couple of examples (most notably Branden's SVN repository for the > XFree86 packages). My main concern

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 09:20:34AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > However, I've seen problems caused by the use of the short name only in > /etc/hostname (mostly mail-related, maybe?) and I systematically change > this to hold the FQDN on my systems. Haven't filed a bug about this, > because I'm

Re: problemas con ftp.es.debian.org

2003-05-29 Thread Amaya
> On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 01:39:48PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > Get:29 http://ftp.es.debian.org unstable/contrib Release [85B] Estás volviendo loco al proxy de la Timo, me temo :-) -- I would rather starve than lose your acceptance .''`.My eyes w

Re: Cross-compiler for sparc64

2003-05-29 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 02:17:05PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > Hi to all! > > Kernel 2.6 is to be released soon (hopefully), thus I tried to compile > 2.5.69 on sparc64 recently. For those not knowing this arch: kernel is > 64 bit, userland is 32 bit, thus you need a cross-compiler with host > spa

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 06:42, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 07:20:11PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > > Is the Debian menu system going to convert to using the freedesktop > > menu spec? > > > > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/menu/draft/menu-spec/menu-spec.html > > > > As far

Re: Debian-IN

2003-05-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > Now that GNOME (via pango) and KDE (via the upcoming Qt 3.2.0) have viable > support, I wonder if there is any interest in a sub-project for increasing > the support for Indian languages within Debian? Good news come from India about this: http://slashdot.org/articles/03

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Nikita V. Youshchenko] > Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? > Is this documented anywhere? I prefer the FQDN as hostname. It make it easier to report the correct name in scripts when administrating large installations. Some unix-types do not handle FQDN as hostname,

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 02:35:03PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 03:43:56PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > > Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? > > Is this documented anywhere? > > I've always thougth that /etc/hostname should contain short

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Andreas Metzler
Nikita V. Youshchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? [rest snipped, no answers for that.] The short name. cu andreas

Farmaplanet - News 012/2003

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Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
I'm answering a bit late, but after rethinking, I don't see what's that wrong with that approach. Le dim 25/05/2003 à 11:33, Herbert Xu a écrit : > That is an advantage. However, it also means that any update to the > modules source package cannot be built until another entire > kernel-image set

Re: /etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 03:43:56PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? > Is this documented anywhere? > > I've always thougth that /etc/hostname should contain short hostname. > But e.g. etherconf package puts FQDN name there ... E

PARA LA CUEVA DE LAS MARAVILLAS

2003-05-29 Thread DOMINICANOS
Title: Camping Tours La Cueva de las Maravillas y Altos de Chavon

Re: problemas con ftp.es.debian.org

2003-05-29 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
You forgot the -spanish part. CCing the right list ;-) On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 01:39:48PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > Hola a [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > Sabeis si hay algun problema con el mirror español de Debian ? Me > llegan estos errores que nunca he visto antes: > > [...] > > Get:

Re: Bug#194938: ITP: drivel -- A LiveJournal client for the GNOME desktop

2003-05-29 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 12:02:08PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 11:15:23AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > > > example, which has a somewhat similar package description). I think > > > the service is popular enough that you

Re: Accepted lynx-cur 2.8.5-11 (i386 source all)

2003-05-29 Thread Thomas Dickey
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Format: 1.7 > Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:25:53 +0900 > Source: lynx-cur > Binary: lynx-cur-wrapper lynx-cur > Architecture: source i386 all > Version: 2.8.5-11 I'll probably have 2.8.5dev.16 done on this weekend. > Di

Cross-compiler for sparc64

2003-05-29 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi to all! Kernel 2.6 is to be released soon (hopefully), thus I tried to compile 2.5.69 on sparc64 recently. For those not knowing this arch: kernel is 64 bit, userland is 32 bit, thus you need a cross-compiler with host sparc32 and target sparc64 to compile a kernel. The problem is that the cur

Bug#195236: ITP: eclipse-cdt -- C(++) Development Tools for Eclipse

2003-05-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-05-29 Severity: wishlist * Package name: eclipse-cdt Version : 1.1 Upstream Author : The CDT project at eclipse.org * URL : http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ * License : Common Public License v1.0 Description : C(++) Dev

/etc/hostname

2003-05-29 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Hello Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name? Is this documented anywhere? I've always thougth that /etc/hostname should contain short hostname. But e.g. etherconf package puts FQDN name there ...

Managing package sources with subversion?

2003-05-29 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi folks, I was looking for some pointers about managing package sources with subversion. I've got a grasp of the basics and I have looked at a couple of examples (most notably Branden's SVN repository for the XFree86 packages). My main concern right now is migrating an _existing_ CVS repos

problemas con ftp.es.debian.org

2003-05-29 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
Hola a [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sabeis si hay algun problema con el mirror español de Debian ? Me llegan estos errores que nunca he visto antes: [...] Get:29 http://ftp.es.debian.org unstable/contrib Release [85B] Get:30 http://ftp.es.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages [70.7kB] Get:31 http://ftp.es

Re: Bug#194938: ITP: drivel -- A LiveJournal client for the GNOME desktop

2003-05-29 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 11:15:23AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > example, which has a somewhat similar package description). I think > > the service is popular enough that you don't need to explain what it > > is, in the same way that you don't need

php in unstable

2003-05-29 Thread Bastiaan Naber
how come php has not been updated in unstable for so long ? Bastiaan

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 12:36:27AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Thanks a lot for your work on menu, this great software needed a > lifting. > > Le mer 28/05/2003 à 15:26, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > * i18n support is underway, see > >

Re: Debian menu system update

2003-05-29 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 07:20:11PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > Is the Debian menu system going to convert to using the freedesktop > menu spec? > > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/menu/draft/menu-spec/menu-spec.html > > As far as I know both Gnome and KDE follow it and possibly others. I h

Bug#195226: ITP: riece -- redesign of the Liece IRC client for Emacs

2003-05-29 Thread OHASHI Akira
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-05-29 Severity: wishlist Hi, I intend to package riece. * Package name: riece Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : Daiki Ueno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://wiliki.designflaw.org/index.cgi?Riece * License : GPL Des

Re: Bug#194938: ITP: drivel -- A LiveJournal client for the GNOME desktop

2003-05-29 Thread Mathieu Roy
David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > example, which has a somewhat similar package description). I think > the service is popular enough that you don't need to explain what it > is, in the same way that you don't need to explain what an SNMP daemon > is to have and snmpd package. A good

Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 69 - branches/4.3.0/sid/debian

2003-05-29 Thread Matthias Klose
Branden Robinson writes: > On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:22:41PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > Branden Robinson writes: > > > Questions for debian-{x,devel}: > > > > > > 1) Should libstdc++-dev dependencies be made "artificially" strict in > > > packages destined for sid so that it's harder for pa

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 02:33:56AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > (None of the above observations necessarily has anything to do with the > sorts of bugs that shouldn't get closed by a changelog entry; i.e. > non-bugs, a hysterical rant masquerading as a bug report, or spam to the > BTS.) Do you

Re: What makes a debconf?

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:25:19AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > It's a bit more complicated than that. [...] Thanks for the clarifications. While it may be true that ALS would have gone belly-up anyway along with so many other innocent bystanders to the dot-com bust, I think a the decision to ta

Re: Bug#194938: ITP: drivel -- A LiveJournal client for the GNOME desktop

2003-05-29 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 11:33:25PM -0400, David Z Maze wrote: > [...] I think > the service is popular enough that you don't need to explain what it > is, in the same way that you don't need to explain what an SNMP daemon > is to have and snmpd package. Ironically: Package: snmpd Description

Re: Bug#194938: ITP: drivel -- A LiveJournal client for the GNOME desktop

2003-05-29 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi David! You wrote: > I think > the service is popular enough that you don't need to explain what it > is, I had never heard of it. > in the same way that you don't need to explain what an SNMP daemon > is to have and snmpd package. I thik you need to explain that, too. You can't expect eve

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:41:34PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > you're getting upset about bug closings that absolutely *do* include a > > description of what the maintainer changed in order to fix them: > > incorporating a "new upstream release". Tha

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 11:13:24PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Why do so many seem to have difficulty with this concept? They're lazy. > Is it worthwhile to Cc this stuff to -devel, Yes. It calls out the offenders for public shaming. If they honestly didn't know about the recommended best pra

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 09:58:25PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > Then why do you limit your critic to the bug closed. Which bugs are > closed are often the least interisting item of a new version. > > While I agree a "New version" is quite a short changelog entry, and most > likely would be bet

Re: X Strike Force SVN commit: rev 69 - branches/4.3.0/sid/debian

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:22:41PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > Branden Robinson writes: > > Questions for debian-{x,devel}: > > > > 1) Should libstdc++-dev dependencies be made "artificially" strict in > > packages destined for sid so that it's harder for packages built > > against, say, libstd

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 01:13:06PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > A changelog entry which says only Closes: # is worthless; it is the > same as leaving the changelog empty and closing the bug by hand. > > > Do you know how not to bother maintainers? [...] > This is not a bother to maintainers, and