Re: Problem: bash 2.01 dumps core!

1997-06-21 Thread James Troup
"Christian Hudon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I hit a small problem while installing packages from > Incoming... Bash now dumps core on startup. And one of the > interesting side effects of this is that I can't install/remove > packages anymore: I suspect the problem was when you installed the

Hamm: Retracting request for chos to be standard

1997-06-21 Thread Christoph Lameter
Lilo 2.0 has the ability to display a file before the prompt and also the ability to boot something with a single keystroke. If someone could update the lilo package and provide a decent configuration then lilo could also offer a nice menu on boot up so that newbies are no longer irritated. Maybe

Re^2: Debian's mail daemons

1997-06-21 Thread Marco Budde
Am 20.06.97 schrieb kai # khms.westfalen.de ... Moin Kai! KH> I completely fail to understand why a professional system administrator KH> would _want_ to use a MTA that's _that_ notorious for security holes. My KH> idea of professionalism seriously clashes with this. Who tells you that the other

Re^4: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Marco Budde
Am 21.06.97 schrieb edd # rosebud.sps.queensu.ca ... Moin Dirk! DE> But they get html via the dwww package! Which gives them _more_ DE> documentation then there is in html only. But this requires a www server! Not a good idea for slow systems like my notebook. And the result doesn't look great

xterm terminfo entry

1997-06-21 Thread Erv Walter
I have a question about the terminfo entry for 'xterm' I am wondering how I need to adjust it so that it says color is supported. xterm now supports color (demonstrated by ls --color and tin in color), but the terminfo entry still says black and white so programs like lynx and slrn are blackand w

Re: Problem: bash 2.01 dumps core!

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Hudon
It's me again... I fixed the problem by symlinking sh to zsh and doing a "dpkg --configure -a". ldconfig got run a couple of times, and I suspect this is what fixed the problem because the output of ldd /bin/bash looks much saner now: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[~/deb] >ldd /bin/bash libreadline.s

Problem: bash 2.01 dumps core!

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Hudon
I hit a small problem while installing packages from Incoming... Bash now dumps core on startup. And one of the interesting side effects of this is that I can't install/remove packages anymore: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[~chrish/deb] #dpkg -i libc5_5.4.33-5_i386.deb (Reading database ... 53797 files and

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-21 Thread Scott K. Ellis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Christian Hudon wrote: > On Jun 17, Scott Ellis wrote > > I believe that the plan is to have them managed by update-alternatives, > > and therefore be symlinks. Less will probably have a higher priority than > > more, although I don't know w

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Martin Schulze wrote: [snip] > I don't like the idea of splitting packages that much. It increses > the confusion for users. For new users it is incredible difficult > to install Debian because of >1000 packages. I can understand your argument very good. However: 1. I d

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP DECRYPTED MESSAGE- > On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: > > > On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > > > The documentation will be distributed via several packages: > > > > > >foo-doc

Re: "bazaar" model for Debian software development

1997-06-21 Thread David Welton
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Martin Schulze wrote: | James R. Van Zandt writes: | | > John W. Eaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the maintainer of Octave) has | > pointed out a very interesting document by Eric S. Raymond: | > | > http://www.ccil.org/~esr/writings/cathedral.html A very nice bit of writ

Re: leap second

1997-06-21 Thread branden
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Mark Baker wrote: > As it is, we use POSIX time, which means that the system time follows GMT. > When there is a leap second the time itself is changed; the timezone > information does not need to. > > > This is completely unacceptable. OS time must be predictable. > > Which

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Hudon
On Jun 17, Scott Ellis wrote > > I believe that the plan is to have them managed by update-alternatives, > and therefore be symlinks. Less will probably have a higher priority than > more, although I don't know who gets to win the war over which editor is > best, although I suspect a vi varient o

Re: "bazaar" model for Debian software development

1997-06-21 Thread Martin Schulze
James R. Van Zandt writes: > John W. Eaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the maintainer of Octave) has > pointed out a very interesting document by Eric S. Raymond: > > http://www.ccil.org/~esr/writings/cathedral.html Just FYI This was subject of his talk on Linux-Kongress in Wuerzburg last month

"bazaar" model for Debian software development

1997-06-21 Thread James R. Van Zandt
John W. Eaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the maintainer of Octave) has pointed out a very interesting document by Eric S. Raymond: http://www.ccil.org/~esr/writings/cathedral.html It discusses two models for software development. One is the standard method of "test thoroughly, and release inf

Re: invalid CD

1997-06-21 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Bruce Perens wrote: > > If it thinks your CD is an audio disk, it would be an error in the "xaa" file. > The very first blocks on the CD tell what kind of CD it is. > > Bruce > -- > Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 > Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. > PGP f

Re: Bug in Boot-Disk Package?

1997-06-21 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Kai Henningsen wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goswin Brederlow) wrote on 21.06.97 in <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]>: > > > OK, it's unmounted then, but it should remount the drive if its > > untouched > > or ask if it should remount it. I'm not repartitioning the drive, but I > > had > > to change the ty

Re: Bug in Boot-Disk Package?

1997-06-21 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Bruce Perens wrote: > > From: Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > OK, it's unmounted then, but it should remount the drive if its > > untouched or ask if it should remount it. I'm not repartitioning > > the drive, but I had to change the types of the partitions > > I think it should not unmo

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Scott K. Ellis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > The documentation will be distributed via several packages: > > > >foo-doc-html for HTML docs > >foo-doc-info for GNU i

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Schwarz writes: > Hi folks! re > So I suggest the following policy. Note, that this is just a summary, not > the actual text. > > > The unification of Debian documentation is being carried out via > HTML. However, we'll still provide GNU info documentation, where > ava

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > The documentation will be distributed via several packages: > >foo-doc-html for HTML docs >foo-doc-info for GNU info docs (where available) >foo-doc-xxx for

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
That is a very reasonable proposal. I like it! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rosebud.sps.queensu.ca/~edd PGP key fingerprint = B2 49 75 BF 44 2C B7 AA 50 CB 19 7D 80 F7 CB DC -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Documentation Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Schwarz
Hi folks! The "html vs. info" discussion reminds me of "vi vs. emacs" discussions :-) It's pretty clear to me that we'll have to support "info" in the future, since we would have to drop the "GNU" from "Debian GNU/Linux" otherwise. However, HTML is getting more and more popular these days and I

I found the Xemacs problem!

1997-06-21 Thread Tom Lees
I installed the new 3.1 binary (not support) package. It still coredumped on me - XFree 3.2-1. Then I upgraded libc5 - 5.4.17-1 to 5.4.23-1. It now works perfectly. I looks like its pretty dependent on a specific version on libc. Tom Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.lpsg.de

Re: Info or HTML: which should be the default, which in a separate package?

1997-06-21 Thread Scott K. Ellis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > There's no reason why HTML should be much bigger than Info. I assume > you used uncompressed HTML. There's no inherent reason why HTML can't > be compressed; the only reason it isn't is that links break, but that > is

Summary: File locking discussion

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Schwarz
Hi folks! I'm glad that so many people are finally involved in our "file locking discussion". However, we had lots of discussions about this topic in the past and we have no results, yet. That's why I want to try to bring more "structure" into the discussion. (Please complain if you don't agree

Re: Policy wrt mail lockfile (section 4.3)

1997-06-21 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 20 Jun 1997, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > > "Christian" == Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Christian> This is buggy since it's not working over NFS. (I'm > Christian> running into problems every few days since I use > Christian> sendmail/procmail/pine over a NFS

Re: checker libs with debugging symbols

1997-06-21 Thread Ben Pfaff
Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What have libc*-dev, gdb, gcc etc. in common with debugging symbols in > checkerlibs? > > When I debug my program it suffices to me to know the problem came in > the call to gets() for instance. I'm not interested in seeing more > details, simply becaus

Re: leap second

1997-06-21 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) wrote on 21.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: > > > Consider a system using "real" time. On June 31, its idea of time would be > > wrong until the next software upgrade. > > No. Using r

Re: leap second

1997-06-21 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Goerzen) wrote on 20.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What's the big deal? Why would you have to update everything? All > you do is add an extra second to your system clock at the end of June > and be done with it. Or you don't. Big deal. That's when you use POSIX time

Re: Bug in Boot-Disk Package?

1997-06-21 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goswin Brederlow) wrote on 21.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > OK, it's unmounted then, but it should remount the drive if its > untouched > or ask if it should remount it. I'm not repartitioning the drive, but I > had > to change the types of the partitions, cause I can't do it

Re: RFC: library conventions for libc5 and libc6 in hamm Take 4

1997-06-21 Thread joost witteveen
> On Jun 20, Helmut Geyer wrote > : > : 1. Run time packages > : > : A package providing a shared library has to support both C library > : packages, libc5 and libc6 based libraries. This must be done using > : two Debian packages, each depending on the correct C library > :

Re: Policy wrt mail lockfile (section 4.3)

1997-06-21 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--==_Exmh_970021023P >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >[ Please don't Cc: public replies to me. ] > >Karl M. Hegbloom: >> What happens? Can you describe the problem? Explain your setup in >> more detail, pleas

Re: Correct path for upgrading to libc6-dev?

1997-06-21 Thread joost witteveen
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Ben Gertzfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> You should certainly remove libdb-dev, since libc6-dev replaces it (as > >> libc6 includes libdb.) I haven't done a libdb-altdev, and unless > >> someone asks probably won't bother (the libgdbm* package

Re: Policy wrt mail lockfile (section 4.3)

1997-06-21 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--==_Exmh_970021023P >> Publib uses the return value from the stat call, which >> you're not supposed to do. (I don't know why yet.) > >I check that the link count is two to see if I managed to create >the lock file with li

Re^4: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Marco Budde
Am 20.06.97 schrieb pdm # informatics.muni.cz ... Moin Milan! MZ> There is one good info browser: GNU Emacs. On the other side I don't MZ> know any good browser for HTML, that's the main problem of HTML MZ> documentation. Your're kidding ;-)? There're several really great HTML browsers like n

Re^4: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-21 Thread Marco Budde
Am 20.06.97 schrieb schwarz # monet.m.isar.de ... Moin Christian! CS> Just unpack all .tar.gz files in the same directory and use the file CS> "HOWTO-INDEX-3.html" as "index.html". It contains an overview over all CS> available HOWTOs and mini-HOWTOs and hyperlinks to them. Oh no, that's not a g

Re: Correct path for upgrading to libc6-dev?

1997-06-21 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Gertzfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You should certainly remove libdb-dev, since libc6-dev replaces it (as >> libc6 includes libdb.) I haven't done a libdb-altdev, and unless >> someone asks probably won't bother (the libgdbm* packages are alread

Re: leap second

1997-06-21 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: > Consider a system using "real" time. On June 31, its idea of time would be > wrong until the next software upgrade. No. Using real time, the system clock increments normally, and correctly measures the time si

Re: mgetty Needs Maintainer!

1997-06-21 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen writes: > No. What happened is this: > > * You handed the package over to me. I uploaded several versions >into unstable. (Bug reports are now going to me.) The person >posting that message must have been using an old version, from 1.2. >I never made a release of mget

Re: RFC: library conventions for libc5 and libc6 in hamm Take 4

1997-06-21 Thread Heiko Schlittermann
On Jun 20, Helmut Geyer wrote : : 1. Run time packages : : A package providing a shared library has to support both C library : packages, libc5 and libc6 based libraries. This must be done using : two Debian packages, each depending on the correct C library : package. : T

invalid CD

1997-06-21 Thread Bruce Perens
If it thinks your CD is an audio disk, it would be an error in the "xaa" file. The very first blocks on the CD tell what kind of CD it is. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6

Re: Bug in Boot-Disk Package?

1997-06-21 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > OK, it's unmounted then, but it should remount the drive if its > untouched or ask if it should remount it. I'm not repartitioning > the drive, but I had to change the types of the partitions I think it should not unmount the root, but it should complai

Re: leap second

1997-06-21 Thread John Goerzen
What's the big deal? Why would you have to update everything? All you do is add an extra second to your system clock at the end of June and be done with it. Or you don't. Big deal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) wrote on 18.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROT

Unidentified subject!

1997-06-21 Thread Goswin Brederlow
I've downloaded the Debian 1.3 Source CD as isoimage and cat'ed all peaces together. Mounting the file over a loopback device I got an error: 'Invalid Audio Disk Lentgh 0:00:00' from the filesystem. Now I wonder which chunk has an error in it? Could somebody with the proper rights create chs

Re: Bug in Boot-Disk Package?

1997-06-21 Thread Goswin Brederlow
OK, it's unmounted then, but it should remount the drive if its untouched or ask if it should remount it. I'm not repartitioning the drive, but I had to change the types of the partitions, cause I can't do it easily from AmigaOS (I dunno the hex for LNX\0). The partition holding root is unchange

Re: Policy wrt mail lockfile (section 4.3)

1997-06-21 Thread Lukas Nellen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Hmm, but why would that cause a problem with mailers/programs that use > lockfile locking *and* flock/fcntl locking at the same time? Last time this discussion came up, Bruce found some info in the debian mail archive related to this. Can't find it now, though. If I rem

Re: Bug in Boot-Disk Package?

1997-06-21 Thread Bruce Perens
Yes, it would do that. The problem is that un-mounting / leaves it mounted read-only, not unmounted. You can't unmount root. If it remounts it at all, it doesn't do it correctly, and re-partitioning the disk that root is running on is problematical, to say the least. On the PC installation floppy r

Bug in Boot-Disk Package?

1997-06-21 Thread Goswin Brederlow
I found a bug in the installation procedure on my Amiga, but the same will probably happen on all systems. When I try to partition the drive my root.bin is on during installation, it pops up a requester asking to unmount / before starting fdisk on it. After quitting fdisk it remounts /, but the in

Re: Correct path for upgrading to libc6-dev?

1997-06-21 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You should certainly remove libdb-dev, since libc6-dev replaces it (as > libc6 includes libdb.) I haven't done a libdb-altdev, and unless > someone asks probably won't bother (the libgdbm* packages are already > uploaded though.) Oh, okay. Do you know a