People,
Just wondering whatever happened to the idea of merging the best
from DEbian+Free|Net BSD. Anybody out there?
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Debian-BSD that will be as bulletproof as the Berkeley distros
with the ease-of-use of Debian. Guesses, SWAG, or other insights
welcome.
tia, y'all.
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 01:20:41PM +0100, Alexander Sack wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 03:05:56PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:48:40AM +1000, Dj Statik wrote:
> > > Greetings List,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thi
t me in the right direction, outlining where things are at, and what
> needs further work.
>
>
Hi,
According to the Debian site, there hasn't been much movement
since 2002. So I've switched to Ubuntu which has a BSD-type
feel to it. Tha
mn of
Daemonnews.org.
I'm still dragging my heels in a hardware re-shuffle and the fellow
who helps me with things-hardware is swamped, so it'll be some
months before I have a separate box for the Debian port.
thanks for any insights,
gary
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. Also, Debian does not define a
> comparison operator on freedom; asking what license is more free than
> another is not worth the bandwith it takes provided they are both
> free.
>
Right. Flamewars are so much drivel. I think if anyone wants to
argue a point shou
rs of Linux and BSD over the
past 8 years but have stuck with the Berkeley distribution
because it has become second nature.
Welcome to the project!
gary
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On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 10:13:26AM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> I have given talks about Debain Gnu/OpenBSD on DebCon 1 and
> Linuxtag 2001. Beside getting many more signatures on my debian
> key, I think I was also able to win some peoples sympathy for
> this efford.
>
> please find the link
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 05:06:25PM +, Nathan Hawkins wrote:
> I will be setting up a box running FreeBSD, hopefully by the end of this
> week.
>
> Quic.net, the ISP which will be hosting for the box, will probably want me
> to restrict shell accounts to Debian developers. Hopefully this won'
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 12:53:26PM -0400, Dan Papasian wrote:
[[[ ]]]
>
> > Now can we go back to _how_ to do things?
>
> Isn't that what we're discussing?
>
> You do have to plan before you act...
>
I think as much earnest discussion as is reasonable is
warrant
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 12:58:21PM +0200, Andreas Krennmair wrote:
> Hello everybody!
>
> I want to know what the current status of Debian/BSD is. AFAICS on the
> mailing list, not really a lot is done yet. I'm really interested in
> helping out with this project, simply because I find the idea of
On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 12:34:35AM -0500, Adam Lazur wrote:
> Gary Kline ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
> > Gotta agree here. The huge gain that I see for this
> > project is the unparalleled strength of the BSD krenel
> > with all the Debian goodies (and as much of
On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:19:05PM +0100, Smörk wrote:
> >What configuring style should we use?
> >
> > (_) BSD
> > (_) SysV
>
> The one Debian use :) It's BSD-Kernel with Debian Userland. I'm using
> file-rc, it's simple and cool...
>
Gotta agree here. The huge gain that I see for
On Thu, Nov 16, 2000 at 06:15:26AM +0300, Wartan Hachaturow wrote:
> Hi.
>
> In my mind the reason why we should use FreeBSD kernel is that
> it is developed for a long time, and has much more things, that
> can be helpful for "userland", such as mentioned SMP,
> and the most important -- hardware
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 11:58:10PM +0400, Wartan Hachaturow wrote:
>
> On 21-Oct-2000 Dan Papasian wrote:
>
> > Secondly, it's strength is mainly in its userland, which shares
> > much in common with Net and Free when it comes to security. Dump
> > the userland to replace it with Debians, and yo
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 04:48:31PM +0400, Wartan Hachaturow wrote:
>
> On 20-Oct-2000 prasad gadgil wrote:
> > Points to discuss can be -:
>
> Ok, it looks like a convinient poll :)
>
> If everybody will be agreed, we may start voting with such questions.
> But, please, no dicussions ;-)
>
> >
On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:11:20PM -0400, Dan Papasian wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:00:09PM -0700, Anant Kabra wrote:
> > Oh No!!! Do I smell smoke?
> >
> > -- Anant
>
> If you're trying to accuse either one of us of flaming, I'd
> like an explaination.
>
> I considered this, and still do
[[ ... ]]
>
> Probably wise -- Debian is not generally speedy. And dpkg is
> undergoing some revamping at the moment.
>
> > I'm all for helping out with a common set of tools to manage
> > packages between BSD and Debian which is why I was among the
> > first handful or so of the peop
On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 02:24:15PM -0400, Nathan Hawkins wrote:
[[ ... ]]
>
> Basically, it's a public relations issue. Such things are becoming more
> critical to free software every day. I think the whole KDE/Qt mess proved
> that:
> Trollsoft ultimately changed their license because
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 04:48:54PM -0400, Mark W. Eichin wrote:
> Yeah, this list serves mostly to keep the flaming off of -devel :-)
> Apparently the idea itself will cause the end of civilization as we
> know it, or something. (We also get flames from the BSD side, about
> causing yet-another-sp
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 12:32:31PM -0700, Dan Potter wrote:
> I recall waay back on Oct 13 when Gary Kline wrote:
>
> > Sorry, if this is mis-information, but I believe that the
> > DebianBSD project is dead. Or very nearly.
>
> To elucidate, it seems like there
nBSD project is dead. Or very nearly.
gary kline
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 05:57:45PM -0800, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> Does anyone have patches so I can easily compile apt and dpkg under
> NetBSD (or maybe OpenBSD)?
>
> I tried at first to edit the apt-0.3.17 Makefile and then use gmake (under
> NetBSD 1.4.1), but something hung my machine -- maybe
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 11:39:49AM -0800, Anant Kabra wrote:
> Any idea where the current work is stored, or how I
> can get to it?
>
Sorry, I don't know what is what and where. From one
to perhaps as many as 5 people were doing at least
seemingly ``serious work'' on the
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 01:39:30PM +0100, Smoerk wrote:
> Are there people working on a Debian/BSD port or is Debian/BSD dead?
>
Stalled; about every 4 weeks this list wakes up. And considering
the recent BSD merger discussions, there may be more mumblings.
(Or less :)
On Sat, Feb 12, 2000 at 01:18:49PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 03:58:59AM -0500, Jerry Alexandratos wrote:
> > See, this makes no sense to me. Having worked on more than a fistfull
> > of UNIX's, I still cannot fathom why Linux does it different from the
> > rest.
>
> O
On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 03:01:35PM +, Nathan Hawkins wrote:
>
> Now this is actually worthwhile discussion... :-)
>
> Dan Potter writes:
>
> > I recall waay back on Jan 31 when Raul Miller wrote:
> >
> > > You're right. Though that's a fairly constrained case and I
> > > think it would be
On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 06:24:59PM -0600, Steve Price wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Steve Shorter wrote:
>
> # I would like GNU tools, debian package system, debian userland
> # with a FreeBSD kernel as an "out of the box" thing.
>
[[ ... ]]
>
> If you haven't already you might want
On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 01:52:49PM -0500, Dan Papasian wrote:
> It isn't a bad thing. But the UNIX way always has been put the
> software that is part of the base OS's into /usr, and software installed
> over it into /usr/local.
>
> Considering with Debian you have a hodepodge of packages from d
On Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 09:48:13PM -0600, Dan Potter wrote:
> Hi all, sorry if this isn't a proper message for this list but what the
> heck. =)
>
> I just joined on here because at work we are currently using Debian 2.1
> for hosting servers, but we really need the capabilities of FreeBSD.
>
> T
The following is exerpted from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.
Other than the few of us, this is the first time I ever heard
of this type of hacker!
Anybody think these guys might be helpful?
> I can point you to some Linux-BSD hacker types at U. of Maryland
> Baltimore County. These guys are good
I'd guess that I'm between 2 and 5% done with my BSD/i386 port of
glibc. I may be way optimistic... or not.
There is nothing but an empty Makefile in the bsd/i386 tree, so
I've collected my hunnypots and am sitting in my thinking place.
As Pooh would say; or my toddler daughter wou
According to Hamish Moffatt:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 02:39:15PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > If the Core members of FreeBSD would agree to fully
> > integrate the best of GNU into our BSD, that would be
> > outstanding.
>
> Perhaps, but I think there a
According to Hamish Moffatt:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 05:50:00PM -0500, Steve Price wrote:
> > Linux has a sex appeal that BSD doesn't. Many of the "newer,
> > intell..." have an easier time equating themselves with Linus
> > (and some want to be just like him), but few see themselves
> > hanging
According to Steve Price:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> # We all come to this table with our own biases; perhaps half of
> # which have some merit.
>
> How about we leave them at the door and save room on the
> table for drawing up plans? Not s
According to Steve Price:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> # I think that over time (months to a few years) a DebianBSD
> # distribution would attract newer and seasoned users from every
> # corner. Nobody who is hardcore BSD or hardcore Debian is goin
According to Brent Fulgham:
> > Could it be that a large chunk of the Linux users are not
> > hackers and wouldn't know C from csh scripts that they are
> > happy with drop-in binaries?
> >
> Yes -- this is very true. As Linux has matured, we observe a large shift
> in the user base.
According to Per Lundberg:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Steve Price wrote:
>
> > # As someone told me, I asked on [EMAIL PROTECTED] if there was a glibc
> > # port to FreeBSD. Of course they started the traditional ranting about how
> >^
> > Of course?
>
> I guess I've got q
According to Steve Price:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> # Anyway, thanks for the port. I'll be interested to see
> # what the source looks like; I'm curious...
>
> Extract the file I sent out, somewhere on your box. I had it
> in /tmp/d
According to Brent Fulgham:
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 1999 at 03:23:16PM +0200, Per Lundberg wrote:
[[ ... ]]
> >
> Could there be performance advantages achieved when you create a
> platform-specific compile of a particular software entity? For example,
> we all realize the benefits of
According to Steve Price:
> As Gary alluded too (I think I'm the Steve he's been talking
> about :) I've got a semi-working port of dpkg for FreeBSD.
> It was for 1.4.1.1 so I spent some time yesterday updating
> it to 1.4.1.4 and making an official FreeBSD port of it.
>
> It is still *very* rough
According to Per Lundberg:
> As someone told me, I asked on [EMAIL PROTECTED] if there was a glibc
> port to FreeBSD. Of course they started the traditional ranting about how
> poor GNU getopt is and stuff like that, but I managed to find out these
> things:
>
> * There doesn't seem to be a glibc
According to Per Lundberg:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>
> > I'd be interested to know what that is (that people prefer to compile
> > from source). I can't see the advantage myself, especially for large
> > packages
> > like X and libc.
For the huge(er) suites like X11
According to Hamish Moffatt:
> On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 11:12:13PM +0200, Per Lundberg wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
> >
[[ ... ]]
>
> That's a fine idea, but my response is always: to whom would this be valuable?
> What is the targe
According to Per Lundberg:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
>
[[ paring back the noise; esp'ly since you are on a per-minute
line. (used to be same here) ]]
>
> > Do you have a working dpkg that could serve as a port to
> > FBSD
According to Per Lundberg:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> > So far, just some agreements on a few basics, such as using
> > the BSD (FBSD) Linux-``emultation'' rather than mis-invest
> > endless months in re-inventing wheels.
>
>
According to Per Lundberg:
> Hello. I just subscribed to this list since I have been doing some
> experimental porting of Debian to FreeBSD myself, and would gladly share
> my experiences to the public. How far are we? What is currently being
> done?
>
Hi,
So far, just some agree
What do the members of this list think of my writing a short
article for DaemonNews on the proposed DBSD?
Should we have a plan more concretely organized first? and if
so, what are the outlines (in 25 or so lines)?
I think an article in DN would bring in more support from the
According to Brent Fulgham:
> > By only gripe about the ports suite came into the glare
> > when I upgraded from FreeBSD 2.2.8 to v3.2 recently.
> > There a bunch of GNU things that I'd like to install.
> > The gnome package(s), for one; and more to the point,
> > gIDE.
> >
>
According to Brent Fulgham:
> > Yes, and when the FreeBSD port of dpkg is ready, the
> > Debian packaging tools can be use for everything on
> > the DebianBSD distribution.
> >
> > A lot of work has gone into the FBSD ports suite, and
> > it works flawlessly iff you are aware
According to Hamish Moffatt:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 05:32:32PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 10:10:23AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > I envisage a /compat/debian tree, which would be like / to linux.
> > > Ie /compat/debian/usr/bin, /comp
According to Hamish Moffatt:
> On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 10:56:50AM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote:
> > As I understood it /compat/linux could be used like the / of a linux
> > box. If a linux program requests a file it will get
> > /compat/linux/foobar or /foobar in that order. I thinks the
> > document
On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 10:10:23AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 04:20:04PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote:
> > (3) If we ported Debian's packaging tools to BSD, how would you want this
> > integrated with the rest of the environment? Should all Linux binaries go
> > in their
On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 04:20:04PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote:
> >
> > What happened to this list? Seems like the entire
> > discussion ended in
> > one usec...
> >
> > gary
>
> Sorry Gary. I'm here, just busy on other things today.
Okay; good to know that everything didn't ab
What happened to this list? Seems like the entire discussion ended in
one usec...
gary
According to Hamish Moffatt:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 1999 at 10:06:54AM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote:
> > Did I understand something wrong or did somebody mention a third
> > posibillity:
> >
> > 3. A "Debian compatibillity" suite for FreeBSD
> >
> > A hacked up dpkg (and friends) to install debian packa
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 11:26:03PM -0500, Steve Price wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
> #
> #> I like this idea, too. It gives the BSD user a clean way of using many
> #> Linux tools without messing up their standard distribution.
> #
> # I think th
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 11:08:37PM -0500, Steve Price wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> #
> # Another thought is for us to write our own Debian-BSD
> # comprimise-license.
>
> Please not another license. :) Seriously both licenses are
> DFSG-fr
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 06:32:59PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote:
> Hamish wrote:
[[ ... ]]
> >
> > Perhaps standard linux-i386 packages could be installed onto
> > the system (using dpkg/dselect). It would only be necessary to port and
> > hack dpkg to do this.
> >
> I like this idea, t
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 09:57:36PM -0500, Steve Price wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:
>
> # If *this* idea ever takes off, a DebianBSD version
> # wouldn't have these concerns. Pure BSD code would
> # continue its own li
On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 06:07:33PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote:
> >
> > This might be the best way to get off the ground. I think
> > that the FBSD Linux-compat code is very well done. So far,
> > everything that has been in the FreeBSD port tree from
> > Linux has worked. Thin
Good post, Brent. Not at all too long...
According to Brent Fulgham:
> Although I don't represent Debian by any stretch, I am going to argue the
> Debian perspective for a moment.
Same for me on the BSD side. I'm not part of the Core
group; just a porter and user who
According to Darren O. Benham:
> I'm here... I wonder if the archives are set up...
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 02:35:04PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is anybody else out there??
> >
> > gary, lurking for the next few months... prob&#x
Is anybody else out there??
gary, lurking for the next few months... prob'ly.
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