re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread matthew green
NetBSD actually puts everything "third party" that's built with pkgsrc into /usr/pkg/ (or for some things /usr/X11R6, which is hated by many people). /usr/local is reserved for "local" things built by the local administrator. note that the path `/usr/pkg' is configurable in netbsd

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread John Galt
On 24 Jul 2001, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > >Michael Goetze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > I just had a look. It is very similar to the NetBSD layout (which is >> > very largely unchanged from 4.4BSD). There are some annoying >> > differences, including /opt vs /usr/pkg, the whole BSD concept of >

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Known Human Nick Rusnov
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>it was written: >On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:41:05PM -0400, Richard Tibbetts wrote: >> For what its worth, debian doesn't seem to really use /opt. At least >> not for debian packages, which tend to put their stuff right in /usr. > >I do like the idea of following the fr

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Michael Goetze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I just had a look. It is very similar to the NetBSD layout (which is > > very largely unchanged from 4.4BSD). There are some annoying > > differences, including /opt vs /usr/pkg, the whole BSD concept of > > libdata and libexec, etc. However, the over

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:41:05PM -0400, Richard Tibbetts wrote: > > For what its worth, debian doesn't seem to really use /opt. At least > > not for debian packages, which tend to put their stuff right in /usr. > > I do like the idea of following the f

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Will Yardley
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:41:05PM -0400, Richard Tibbetts wrote: > For what its worth, debian doesn't seem to really use /opt. At least > not for debian packages, which tend to put their stuff right in /usr. I do like the idea of following the freebsd (i think net and open bsd may do this too) co

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Michael Goetze
> I do like the idea of following the freebsd (i think net and open bsd > may do this too) convention of putting everything that's not part of > base in /usr/local/whatever - debian tends to put stuff in /usr for > the most part - most of the debian systems i've worked on have barely > anything in

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Michael Goetze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Color me an ignorant NetBSD hacker -- what is FHS? > > Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ I never heard of it before. I just had a look. It is very similar to the NetBSD layout (which is very largely unchanged from 4.4BSD).

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Michael Goetze
> I just had a look. It is very similar to the NetBSD layout (which is > very largely unchanged from 4.4BSD). There are some annoying > differences, including /opt vs /usr/pkg, the whole BSD concept of > libdata and libexec, etc. However, the overall ideas seem to be > pretty much similar. You'l

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Richard Tibbetts
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:06:20PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > (The lack of things like libexec seems like a serious deficit in the > FHS -- it highly unclutters user executable directories. /opt is > likely a religious issue which means trouble but if one anticipates > trouble it is possible

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Michael Goetze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And, looking at it from the other side, if all of the NetBSD core team > jumped up today and said, "we want our entire distribution packaged > Debian-style, and we want to make it our official distribution > tomorrow," I would applaud them for their wis

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Michael Goetze
> Color me an ignorant NetBSD hacker -- what is FHS? Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ - Michael = "I wanted to change the world. But I have found that the only thing one can be sure of changing is oneself." -- Aldous Huxley _

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Color me an ignorant NetBSD hacker -- what is FHS? Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Yes, I can see that. There are things that I myself don't like about > > Debian policy... such as FHS. I know that some pretty good BSD folks > > have some pretty good reasons to dislike FHS. OTOH, there are s

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > One misunderstanding that I have read, is that many Debian users believe > > that the BSD ports/packages systems are week or don't work very well -- > > The particular case that pkgsrc falls down on is upgrading a > compatible library. In debian, if li

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread bbarnett
> Yes, I can see that. There are things that I myself don't like about > Debian policy... such as FHS. I know that some pretty good BSD folks > have some pretty good reasons to dislike FHS. OTOH, there are some > advantages to the consistency given by the Debian system... there's > lots of hypocrit

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Wartan Hachaturow
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 06:52:24PM +1000, matthew green wrote: > err, i've confused myself above -- i didn't intend to become project > leader, just someone to present views to the netbsd folks.. :-) I've sent this letter privately (to someone :) already, but I'll tell this is public -- we don't

re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread matthew green
What we really need here is a contact person... someone willing to go to the NetBSD folks, explain to them what it is we want and how it can halp what they want. We also need a contact person to organize webspace, etc., from the Debian project. Now, some time ago, so

re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread matthew green
What we really need here is a contact person... someone willing to go to the NetBSD folks, explain to them what it is we want and how it can halp what they want. We also need a contact person to organize webspace, etc., from the Debian project. Now, some time ago, someone realize

Re: hmm...

2001-07-24 Thread Michael Goetze
> Well, let me note this: the NetBSD project consists of people who are > far better at managing a base Unix and its kernel than at handling > certain kinds of day to day usability. We've got crappy install tools > and such, and we're well aware of it. Closer cooperation with people > who've got a