Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Hartmut Koptein
> > Which UI: Text, fb, X11 or all selectable ? > > Whatever UI is being used. (Not sure I understand the question.) It should be only a remark ... my intention was to think about the pain for different setups. The current layout is 'text' based (select mono/color, keyboard, ...). But for X11 ??

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Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 09:01:53PM -0700, Michael S. Fischer wrote: > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 08:23:16PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > > If the choice is between one floppy with minimal detection and two floppies > > with detection of everything, I want one floppy, every day. > > I'm with Joey on

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > The Installer UI > > > Debconf (or rather, a smaller C implementation of the same specification) > is the main UI framework for the installer. Using debconf, it should be > possible to plug in new UI's with a minimum of difficulty. > Is

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira
We interviewed Google employee last week and he says that Google installs 80 servers at once with RedHat an some tools that he will not open to the world. :) If Debian supporte quick installations... Quoting Michael S. Fischer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I rather wish I'd seen the begin

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Glenn McGrath
"Bernhard R. Link" wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > > > The Installer UI > > > > > > Debconf (or rather, a smaller C implementation of the same specification) > > is the main UI framework for the installer. Using debconf, it should be > > possible to plug in ne

Alpha Install

2000-09-13 Thread Ale
How do you do! Thank you very much for Alpha Jensen AXP support. But I'm walk through documentation and don't find information how to install Debian on this monster. Can you send me an instruction and sites where I can download Jensen specific images? best regards, Alexey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: preparing boot-floppies 2.2.17

2000-09-13 Thread Adam Di Carlo
"J.A. Bezemer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've just found one annoying bug that's definately worth fixing (if it isn't > already). Found it on i386, but I guess it'll affect other arch's as well. > > Step: Install kernel and modules. > > When this step is performed more than once, the /targe

Re: Install doesn't find internal atapi zip 250

2000-09-13 Thread unai
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > unai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It's about installing on a zip 250. kernel 2.2.17-idepci find without > > problem the internal zip 250 drive (/dev/hdb). Partitions, filesystem > > and mounting are done without problem from the command line, but the > > installatio

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Glenn McGrath wrote: > > Is there already any work about the smaller C implementation? > > When I tried to look for some features in debconf some month ago and > > realized I do not even understand such complex perl-code, I planed to > > write such a thing myself but just lac

Potato install fails to load ROOT image

2000-09-13 Thread Stuart Ballard
I'm trying to install potato from floppies (onto a laptop that doesn't have a CD drive). 100% reliably and repeatably, I get the following messages when I insert the ROOT floppy: end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 799 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 799 invalid

Re: preparing boot-floppies 2.2.17

2000-09-13 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Brian Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have built the pcmcia-modules to accompany Herbert's new packages. > Note that the new PCMCIA packages are v3.1.20-2, a much newer version > than the packages currently in potato. I have proposed (and filed a bug > report) that the newer version of the

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:57:23PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > Is hardware detection needed much in other architectures? Absolutely. And it works much better on other architectures. > > None of them > > have the same proliferation of crappy hardware

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Massimo Dal Zotto
> I rather wish I'd seen the beginning of this thread so I could gain > some context. I'll see if I can find it at the archive so I can be > better educated, but for now I'll try to offer my comments as is. > > I should introduce myself first. I am the operations team lead for > AuctionWatch.co

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Massimo Dal Zotto
> > A week or so ago someone uploaded a busyboxed wget command, which is > quite small, in the apt source i see occasional reference to wget, so > this would probably be a good spot to start for http ftp retriever. In my slink automatic installer I used snarf to do network installation from http

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Massimo Dal Zotto
> > The good thing about PCI hardware detection is that there is no probing, > > and the PCI layer/driver handles allocation an IRQ and I/O. So basically > > the gist is, atleast include PCI detection, which maps PCI device ID's to > > modules, and can prompt for which ones to load. > > Right. We

Problems getting 3c509 module loaded with dbootstrap

2000-09-13 Thread Dermot McGahon
Hi, I am installing Debian Potato on a 486DX at the moment and when trying to add the 3c509 driver with io=0x300 irq=0x10 to the kernel I get the following errors: Note: /target/etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.2.17-compact/modules.dep /lib/modules/2.2.17-compact/net/3c509.o

Re: preparing boot-floppies 2.2.17

2000-09-13 Thread Brian Mays
Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you clue me on where the 2.2.17-1 vanilla and ide flavors are? I > can't find them on auric, or in proposed updates. They are sitting in incoming on ftp-master.debian.org. My first attempt at an upload didn't have the orig.tar.gz file. > Do you o

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Some generalized comments and musings. Modularization is specified for retrievers but I fail to see how that is going to address, say, installation over the network for i386 boxes (providing perhaps modules for NIC cards) or installation via pcmcia on arches that support that (which should be i3

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Michael S. Fischer
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 09:07:09PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote: > I would like to have an initial menu with three options: > > 1. configuration > 2. installation > 3. auto-installation I suggest for an unattended installation that (3) not necessarily be menu-driven, bec

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Michael S. Fischer
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 04:09:09PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > I believe there must be a module subsystem defined for not just > retrieval issues, but also: > > - network/hardware support (discussed above) > > - network configuration (dhcp/bootp) > > - target media support (what we're ins

Re: preparing boot-floppies 2.2.17

2000-09-13 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm going to have to. I need to fix the make bootable from hard drive > stuff from powerpc, and I only got the required packages mostly > finished today - i've still got one to go. > > As long as I pay any attention at all I can't break anything t

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 04:09:09PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > Some generalized comments and musings. > > Modularization is specified for retrievers but I fail to see how that > is going to address, say, installation over the network for i386 boxes > (providing perhaps modules for NIC cards)

Re: preparing boot-floppies 2.2.17

2000-09-13 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 03:43:09PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm going to have to. I need to fix the make bootable from hard drive > > stuff from powerpc, and I only got the required packages mostly > > finished today - i've still got one t

Problems getting 3c509 module loaded with dbootstrap

2000-09-13 Thread Dermot McGahon
Hi, I am installing Debian Potato on a 486DX at the moment and when trying to add the 3c509 driver with io=0x300 irq=0x10 to the kernel I get the following errors: Note: /target/etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.2.17-compact/modules.dep /lib/modules/2.2.17-compact/net/3c509.o

Re: Problems getting 3c509 module loaded with dbootstrap

2000-09-13 Thread Jimmy O'Regan
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Dermot McGahon wrote: ) Hi, ) ) I am installing Debian Potato on a 486DX at the moment and when trying ) to add the 3c509 driver with io=0x300 irq=0x10 to the kernel I get the ) following errors: ) ) Note: /target/etc/modules.conf is more recent than ) /lib/modules/2.2.17-c

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Glenn McGrath
"Michael S. Fischer" wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 04:09:09PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > > I believe there must be a module subsystem defined for not just > > retrieval issues, but also: > > > > - network/hardware support (discussed above) > > > > - network configuration (dhcp/bootp)

one question, one small problem

2000-09-13 Thread marcolof
two things: 1.) it seems that debian (or the install program) won't accept certain characters for passwords -- namely '\'... (i chose passswords with those in them, and then found that I was unable to login later.. ) 2.) Is there a way to put /usr on a different partition? thanks, marco -

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Collins wrote: > Still, though. After the main install is done, and the reboot complete, > setting up the rest of the autodetection should be done in base-config, > even if it simply calls dpkg-reconfigure or something. Let's plan for this > from the installer, even if it isn't done till after

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > Some generalized comments and musings. > > Modularization is specified for retrievers but I fail to see how that > is going to address, say, installation over the network for i386 boxes > (providing perhaps modules for NIC cards) or installation via pcmcia > on arches that

kernel modules (Re: redesigning the debian installer)

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Note that I'm not opposed to websites or whatever that autobuild install media in the least. Glenn McGrath wrote: > Also the user building there own customised installer would logically > only include modules that apply to them, eg. they wouldnt include an NFS > modules if they dont intend to ins

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Massimo Dal Zotto wrote: > I would like also to remember a small utility, read-edid, which can be > used by the X configurator to retrieve the monitor model and frequencies > from the monitor itself. It can be found at http://www.altern.org/vii/ > If we know the pci id of the card, the monitor fre

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard R. Link wrote (about debconf): > As I see, there is no need for compatibility with the other protocolls, > as they seem to be perlish-call-an-method protocolls. Those arn't protocols. Debconf is object oriented perl code, and you're seeing objects use other objects. But all such stuff is

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > That's true, but a more generalized point is that more and more > hardware (sparc, ultrasparc, powerpc, dunno about the rest) support > openfirmware or openboot, and it's possible to traverse the > openfirmware device tree with pretty damn good results. I don't think libdet

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Massimo Dal Zotto wrote: > I suggest that the installer configuration and installation are done > in separate and independent steps so that one can configure one or > more installation profiles, store them on a floppy or remote server > and then run automatic installations without any further prom

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Massimo Dal Zotto wrote: > In my slink automatic installer I used snarf to do network installation > from http and ftp. It is quite small and works very well. > I also wrote a cp-like command which can copy files and directories from > a real filesystem path or a remote url. Very handy for install

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:15:51PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > That's true, but a more generalized point is that more and more > > hardware (sparc, ultrasparc, powerpc, dunno about the rest) support > > openfirmware or openboot, and it's possible to traverse the > > openfirm

Re: redesigning the debian installer

2000-09-13 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:15:51PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > That's true, but a more generalized point is that more and more > > hardware (sparc, ultrasparc, powerpc, dunno about the rest) support > > openfirmware or openboot, and it's possible to traverse the > > openfirm

Re: kernel modules (Re: redesigning the debian installer)

2000-09-13 Thread Glenn McGrath
Joey Hess wrote: > > Note that I'm not opposed to websites or whatever that autobuild install > media in the least. > > Glenn McGrath wrote: > > Also the user building there own customised installer would logically > > only include modules that apply to them, eg. they wouldnt include an NFS > >

Re: kernel modules (Re: redesigning the debian installer)

2000-09-13 Thread Joey Hess
Glenn McGrath wrote: > I will have to and lookup what PITA means, but i assume it means > difficult. (apt-get install dict-vera; Pain In the Ass) > hmm, it could get complex, installer modules depending on the used > kernel, i think this makes it more important that the end user has some > tools

bad press at www.linuxworld.com

2000-09-13 Thread Glenn McGrath
This is a pretty nasty review of the installer http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/lw-09-vcontrol_2.html "I know. I can't be critical of Debian because it is an all-volunteer effort and all of the software used is pure, free, and unfettered. Sure, installing it may be a little harder

Bug#71590: Boot-floppies kernel wish

2000-09-13 Thread George Chavdarov
Package: boot-floppiesVersion: Severity: wishlist   Add to kernel support for following RAID controllers: IBM ServeRAID Mylex DAC960/DAC1100 PCI RAID Controller   this is for direct installation of debian to disks attached to these controllers     George Chavdarov System administrator - www.

Bug#71606: Debian on T1900 laptop.

2000-09-13 Thread Philippe Geyskens
Package: boot-floppies Version: Debian architecture: i386 model: Toshiba memory: 4MB scsi: None cd-rom: None network card: None pcmcia:Xircom Creditcard Ethernet IIps Ran install after downloading the IDEPCI distribution. Kernel unpacked & booted OK, identified appropriate

Re: Potato install fails to load ROOT image

2000-09-13 Thread Stuart Ballard
Stuart Ballard wrote: > > I'm trying to install potato from floppies (onto a laptop that doesn't > have a CD drive). 100% reliably and repeatably, I get the following > messages when I insert the ROOT floppy: [snip] > I've obtained this exact same error across 3 different root floppies > (the thi