On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 01:44:56AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> Forking and fragmentation vs. BSD-style fights? No contest.
>
> Linux has been forked about a zillion times, but the developers don't
> mind the "mess" at all. People just merge every which way using git.
Well, yes, but the linux d
On 5/17/06, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:18:28AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> On 5/12/06, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >There was an easy way not to problong the discussion. Restore the svn
> >commit
> >acces, which you could have done all thos
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:18:28AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> On 5/12/06, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >There was an easy way not to problong the discussion. Restore the svn
> >commit
> >acces, which you could have done all those weeks ago if you had not been
> >too
> >proud an
On 5/12/06, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There was an easy way not to problong the discussion. Restore the svn commit
acces, which you could have done all those weeks ago if you had not been too
proud and afraid to lose face.
Better: do like Linus, and take away access from all but o
Hi Frans,
(I am answering this email in the same group,
as it also addresses some of the problems of various mailinglists
and has its home on debian-powerpc.)
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 06:22:29PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Monday 08 May 2006 11:18, you wrote:
> > it was brought to my attention t
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 06:22:29PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> I have not replied to the various threads because I have no interest in
> prolonging this discussion. The second reason was that there was a
> mediation going on by the DPL and his "second in command" and I did not
> want to interfere
(Original message quoted in full as I'm CCing d-boot and several others.
Unfortunately the original message is already quite complex.)
On Monday 08 May 2006 11:18, you wrote:
> it was brought to my attention that you are not reading debian-powerpc,
> thus I am forwarding my email to you directly.
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:06:32AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:45:46PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
> > > Sven Luther wrote on 01/05/2006 08:21:
> > > > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Frans Pop
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:06:32AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:45:46PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
> > Sven Luther wrote on 01/05/2006 08:21:
> > > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > >
> > >>The reason that I did not inform you was because thin
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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:06:32AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:45:46PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
> > Sven Luther wrote on 01/05/2006 08:21:
> > > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > >
> > >>The re
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:45:46PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote on 01/05/2006 08:21:
> > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> >
> >>The reason that I did not inform you was because things were already very
> >>heated at the moment and because you were at
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:45:46PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
[ request to focus on technical issues ]
Sven Mueller: Good E-mail, my compliments ( my PUBLIC compliments )
Cheers
Geert Stappers
Who assumes that people can handle compliments.
P.S.
In my timezone is it now between 1:02:03 4
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 15:02 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 03:18:40PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> >
> > > > Its not a mkvmlinuz problem, the problem is in the kernel itself, and
> > > > will
> > > > probably be fixed for 2.6.17. I am watching this, and will try to
Sven Luther wrote on 01/05/2006 08:21:
> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
>
>>The reason that I did not inform you was because things were already very
>>heated at the moment and because you were at that time still very
>>concerned about the welfare of your mother. I th
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 03:18:40PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>
> > > Its not a mkvmlinuz problem, the problem is in the kernel itself, and will
> > > probably be fixed for 2.6.17. I am watching this, and will try to do a
> > > backport if something promising comes on. Not sure i will ha
> > Its not a mkvmlinuz problem, the problem is in the kernel itself, and will
> > probably be fixed for 2.6.17. I am watching this, and will try to do a
> > backport if something promising comes on. Not sure i will have the time to
> > fix
> > it myself though.
Prep has been relegated to an emb
Can we all just get along please?
Everyone please just take a big bite of humble pie, step back
and realize that everyone wants the same thing - ie a good debian
operating system!
People will cross people, but lets all be grown ups and forgive
people their weaknesses looking forward to their val
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 27 April 2006 13:39, Sven Luther wrote:
> > maintainer, and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no way for me to
>
> I revoked your commit rights immediately after your resignation from the
> team because I felt (and I st
On Thursday 27 April 2006 13:39, Sven Luther wrote:
> maintainer, and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no way for me to
I revoked your commit rights immediately after your resignation from the
team because I felt (and I still do) that things had deteriorated so much
that the d-i team was b
On Thursday 27 April 2006 13:59, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Perhaps my experience has been different, but I have noticed that when I
> don't have commit privileges to a particular repo or part of the project
> that submitting a patch to the responsible individual(s) usually yields
> results. Thou
Sven Luther wrote:
> I have seen Frans claim various times about patches and changes i was
> proposing that it will never be applied anyway because i proposed it, and he
> didn't thrust me. Do you really thing that in the light of this me sending in
> patches just to have them rote in the BTS is va
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The question is : Did frans have a ethic reason to remove my commit
> access, or did he do it only out of spit to get ride of me ? I have
> seen many argue that since i resigned from being 'the d-i powerpc
> porter' it was ok for him to remove those commit
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:48:25PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > But nobody cared to inform the powerpc users, who where trying to use the
> > broken images on machines the april 1 build could not work.
>
> I'm a powerpc user, and I wasn't tryin
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:48:07PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have seen Frans claim various times about patches and changes i
> > was proposing that it will never be applied anyway because i
> > proposed it, and he didn't thrust me. Do you r
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But nobody cared to inform the powerpc users, who where trying to use the
> broken images on machines the april 1 build could not work.
I'm a powerpc user, and I wasn't trying to use the broken images.
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Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have seen Frans claim various times about patches and changes i
> was proposing that it will never be applied anyway because i
> proposed it, and he didn't thrust me. Do you really thing that in
> the light of this me sending in patches just to have them
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 01:24:56AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:15:10AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > the d-i isos are broken, and had i not been there, they will probably have
> > > been broken for anothe
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:07:07PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:16:15PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > debian-cd changes I committed over the last hour or two. I hadn't been
> > paying attention to CD build logs; I'll know to do so in the future.
>
> Cool. Still, i feel t
Hi all
Colin Watson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
That's not to say, of course, that fresh porting blood wouldn't be a
good thing.
Why must it be "fresh blood"? Isn't "blood" enough? I don't see the
point revoking rights of a developer, who helped and seems
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:15:10AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > > What I'm saying is that no amout of proof that they will not be able
> > > to meet the targets
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > What I'm saying is that no amout of proof that they will not be able
> > to meet the targets is relevant. What's relevant is actual failure to
> > do so, not your
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:02:17PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I am not willing to send in patches now. I was kicked out of d-i a month
> > ago.
>
> Gotcha. I don't understand why, however. I lack write access to all
> kinds of things, but
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am not willing to send in patches now. I was kicked out of d-i a month ago.
Gotcha. I don't understand why, however. I lack write access to all
kinds of things, but I still send in patches. It sounds like you care
about powerpc support, so I find it
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > No, i was kicked out of the d-i project. That is sad. Even so, i was
> > willing to help, and discovered this not because they told it to me,
> > but because i was blocked from help
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, i was kicked out of the d-i project. That is sad. Even so, i was
> willing to help, and discovered this not because they told it to me,
> but because i was blocked from helping. They had to do it meakly in
> my back.
What I heard you say was that you
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:25:59PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It should be removed from the actual etch release candidate until the
> > situation improves. The etch release candidate guidelines include a working
> > and well supported d-i port
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It should be removed from the actual etch release candidate until the
> situation improves. The etch release candidate guidelines include a working
> and well supported d-i port, and this criteria is not fullfilled, so powerpc
> should be dropped from pote
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:11:16PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > No, i am raising an alarm earlier, so people who care about powerpc will
> > have
> > time to act, and will not stay believing all is fine, and end with a mess 8
> > month from now
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, i am raising an alarm earlier, so people who care about powerpc will have
> time to act, and will not stay believing all is fine, and end with a mess 8
> month from now or such.
Hrm, perhaps I misunderstood your subject line. I understood it not
to b
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:59:27PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Well, who is working on the powerpc d-i port ? Only Colin Watson,
> > but his duties in ubuntu don't leave him enough time to do the work
> > properly, and it was always me in the p
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, who is working on the powerpc d-i port ? Only Colin Watson,
> but his duties in ubuntu don't leave him enough time to do the work
> properly, and it was always me in the past who ended up doing the
> work nobody else cared about.
I don't understand
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:33:51PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken
> > since almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as
> > powerpc maintainer, and removed my d-i comm
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, i will not go this way. If the social problem doesn't solve itself in the
> near future, i am much more proposing to host a forked version of the d-i and
> some key packages, and fix stuff there.
So you are now declaring that you will not submit the p
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken
> since almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as
> powerpc maintainer, and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no
> way for me to help fix this, and this clearly demostra
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:16:15PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:34:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > The debian installer netinst and
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:34:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
> > > almost a month,
> >
>
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:34:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
> > almost a month,
>
> FYI I expect to be able to get this issue sorted out today/tomorrow. I
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:15:18AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
> > almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
> > and removed my d-i commit r
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 07:59:17AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >
> >The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
> >almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
> >and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no w
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
> almost a month,
FYI I expect to be able to get this issue sorted out today/tomorrow. I
was somewhat behind on debian-boot@ mail and hadn't realised it was a
pr
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
> almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
> and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no way for me to help fix this, and
> this clearly demostra
Sven Luther wrote:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no way for me to help fix this, and
this clearly demostrates that the d-i powerpc po
Hello,
A few things came to my attention today, and i think that if d-i support is
still a prerequisite for etch support of an arch, i think you should consider
dropping powerpc of it.
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month, and since the d-i team
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