Hi,
Ansgar Burchardt (2015-05-05):
> [ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
>
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
> is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
> standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
> conside
st...@einval.com wrote:
>That's the point - laptop-detect is the package that detects *if*
>you're on a laptop...
But why this has to happen on the target instead of in d-i?
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Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 11:21:13AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> >On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> >
> >> * Same for question for "dmidecode": could the priority be lowered
> >> to
> >>"standard"?
> >I think that this is fine, as long as it is still available in d-
On 5 May 2015 at 19:45, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> * Packages currently at "important":
> - cron:
> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
Hm, i'd say it's not needed full-stop. There are systemd timer units
and e.g. systemd-cron that satisfy the need for periodic execution,
with
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 04:00:20PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > - dnsutils:
> > bind9-host provides a (limited) DNS query interface. No need to
> > install both bind9-host and dnsutils by default.
> > -> demote to "optional"
>
> I'd actually argue for demoting bind9-host a
On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > - nfacct:
> > No idea why this is at Priority: important.
> > -> demote to "optional"
> Even extra... This is a very niche package and I have no idea why it is
> being installed everywhere!
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 06:26:19PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>>> cron is part of POSIX.
>>
>> The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person
>> are...
>
>Perhaps uni
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 11:21:13AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>
>> * Same for question for "dmidecode": could the priority be lowered to
>>"standard"?
>I think that this is fine, as long as it is still available in d-i.
>But laptop-detect (which I do not un
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 12:02:37PM +0300, Riku Voipio wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:45:09 PM EEST, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>
>>- traceroute
>
>#3 on old - I used to use it more, but these days with firewalls it
>doesn't strike as very useful.
I know I use mtr in preference these days, anyw
On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs
> and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide
> have become smaller.
The differences between VMs and "normal" servers are very small, limited
only to a few packa
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>> cron is part of POSIX.
>
> The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person are...
Perhaps unix/posix tasks would satisfy such folks.
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On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> * Packages currently at "important":
>> - cron:
>> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
>> -> demote to "standard"
>
> RC.
>
> | important
> | Important p
Hi,
On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> * Packages currently at "important":
> - cron:
> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
> -> demote to "standard"
RC.
| important
| Important programs, including those which one would expect to find on
|
On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> But is this enough reason to keep w3m at priority standard? Personally I
> would rather use "ssh -D" or such than bothering with a rather limited
> text-mode browser.
Agreed.
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On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
Me too.
Let's look at the problem from a different point of view. This is what
I remove when building cloud images for my employer's infrastructure:
dpkg --purge \
discover discover-da
On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:45:09 PM EEST, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
[ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
Cross-checking with popcon old (installed but not used) data
from: http://popcon.debian.org/by_old
This won't catch daemons etc, or take in account use in script. But if it
ends up in the
Paul Wise writes:
>> - cron:
>> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
>> -> demote to "standard"
>
> A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess this means they will need to
> depend on cron?
They already have to depend on cron if it is required for proper
operation (or recom
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> * Same for question for "dmidecode": could the priority be lowered to
>"standard"?
As this relates to specific hardware/firmware, this should be moved to
optional and d-i/isenkram/PackageKit/etc should install it when
installing on th
[please cc: me on any replies; I saw this on -devel and am not
subscribed to -boot; I don't really think this is a subject that should
be discussed only on -boot anyway, but...]
On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 20:45 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
>
> I woul
+++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-06 01:09 +0200]:
> Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
> > - info, texinfo, install-info:
> > I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
> > comes in man page format.
> > -> demote to "optional"
>
>
Le Tue, May 05, 2015 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt a écrit :
>
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
> is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
> standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
> consideration t
On Tuesday, May 05 2015, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> * Packages currently at "standard":
> - aptitude, aptitude-common:
> There's already apt.
> -> demote to "optional"
> - at:
> Rarely used (IMO).
> -> demote to "optional"
> - bc, dc:
> Rarely used (IMHO).
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
>
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
> is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
> standard. In general my plan involves installing
Cyril Brulebois, le Wed 06 May 2015 01:14:28 +0200, a écrit :
> Samuel Thibault (2015-05-06):
> > Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
> > > - info, texinfo, install-info:
> > > I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
> > > comes i
Samuel Thibault (2015-05-06):
> Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
> > - info, texinfo, install-info:
> > I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
> > comes in man page format.
> > -> demote to "optional"
>
> Proper autocon
Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
> - info, texinfo, install-info:
> I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
> comes in man page format.
> -> demote to "optional"
Proper autoconf, automake, gcc, etc. documentations only re
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> [ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
>
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
> is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
> standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
> consideration that r
Ansgar Burchardt (2015-05-05):
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
> is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
> standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
> consideration that requirements and expectations what s
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> - less:
> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
> -> demote to "standard"
I have never seen less installed by default in a chroot. I have always
had to ask for it (less and vim are probably the first two th
Hi,
[ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
consideration that requirements and expectations wh
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