Michael S. Fischer wrote:
> Joey, so that we might get started with coding and documenting, could
> you please give us new volunteers a required reading (and
> understanding) list so that we can get ourselves up to speed with past
> and current work?
cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/debian-b
Joey, so that we might get started with coding and documenting, could
you please give us new volunteers a required reading (and
understanding) list so that we can get ourselves up to speed with past
and current work?
Cheers, and thanks,
--
Michael S. Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, AKA Otterley
Glenn McGrath wrote:
> Hi, seems that lots of people are getting involved with issues relating
> to the installer, maybe soon would be good time to present joey's plan
> to a wider audience.
>
> I figure it would be best to present the plan as soon as we are all
> happy with it, but not hold back
Michael S. Fischer wrote:
> > > Each item in the main menu is provided by an installer module. Installer
> > > modules indicate that they want to appear on the menu by including the
> > > following special flag in their control file:
> > >
> > > Installer-Menu-Item: nnn
>
> Correct me if
Michael S. Fischer wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 10:57:41PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
>
> > Perl is out, far too big. C is fine. Shell is ok if you limit yourself to
> > pure posix shell and are very careful about extra shell commands you use,
> > since each such command adds more size.
>
> tom
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 10:57:41PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> Perl is out, far too big. C is fine. Shell is ok if you limit yourself to
> pure posix shell and are very careful about extra shell commands you use,
> since each such command adds more size.
tomsrtbt uses ash. What are we using?
--
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:36:03PM -0600, Erik Andersen wrote:
> On Thu Sep 14, 2000 at 04:47:09PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> >
> > Each item in the main menu is provided by an installer module. Installer
> > modules indicate that they want to appear on the menu by including the
> > followi
Erik Andersen wrote:
> I think this is brillant.
Gosh. Well, thanks. :-)
FWIW, I have been sort of stuck on how exactly the main menu would work
for about 3 months, and like a dam breaking it all finally came clear and
expressable (I guess) today. Thank goodness!
> This provides a wonderfully s
On Thu Sep 14, 2000 at 04:47:09PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
>
> Each item in the main menu is provided by an installer module. Installer
> modules indicate that they want to appear on the menu by including the
> following special flag in their control file:
>
> Installer-Menu-Item: nnn
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 07:07:51PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
>
> C'mon -- I'd have to throw the bozo bit on this guy completely
> ignoring Potato. I agree with Dale and I'm the last to say Potato
> installation is perfect -- but when it works, it works pretty damn
> well, no need to run dselec
Hi, seems that lots of people are getting involved with issues relating
to the installer, maybe soon would be good time to present joey's plan
to a wider audience.
I figure it would be best to present the plan as soon as we are all
happy with it, but not hold back so long that we get too commited
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:49:25PM -0400, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> from the secret journal of Craig Sanders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > also, if you've done several dozen installs before and you know what
> > the path is, typing it in manually is a LOT faster than waiting
> > for the installer to search
from the secret journal of Craig Sanders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> also, if you've done several dozen installs before and you know what
> the path is, typing it in manually is a LOT faster than waiting for the
> installer to search the slow CD-ROM filesystem. i've taken advantage of
> this convenienc
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 08:17:53AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> Why should the user even be involved in any of these
> questions. It's on the CD. If the installation
> program doesn't find it in the "default" location
> (/instmnt/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current for the Intel
> install)
Steven Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Following Section 7 (Using dbootstrap for Initial System Configuration) of the
>"Installing
> Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 For Intel x86" document, I tried to install Debian on a Toshiba
>Tecra
> 8000 with a PCMCIA 3Com 3c589D-TP NIC over NFS. It looked good
Package: boot-floppies
Version: N/A;
Severity: normal
If I select the de-latin1-nodeadkeys keymap during installation
this choice is not fully integrated into the system.
One symptom of this is that the special characters will not work in
emacs. (emacs has the keyboard encoding set to nil.)
As
Sorry we haven't been able to help you here.
The only time I've heard of another reporting this problem, it was bad
memory in the machine. You might try a memory scrubber.
This is a hardware/kernel problem -- not much we can do about it in
this group.
--
.Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Di Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> Gregory Leblanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Debian GNU/Linux installed, but this one seemed to be
> worthy of note.
> > Nowhere in this document is anything about actually getting
> Debian GNU/Linux
> > cov
Petr Cech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Status: done
Thanks. I've fixed the docs.
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Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> > When I installed Debian "potato" I was not allowed to install LILO to
> > a logical partition.
>
> By "logical partition", do you mean "extended partition" or "logical
> drive"? There is a difference.
>
> > It say
Robi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hey, I moved some files around and it finally went through. tty3 was
> usefull in seeing what it was actually wanting. The displays in the
> installer always reference images-1.44/rescue.bin which i think is wrong,
> it should be more descriptive, because on tha
I followed this discution from the very beginning and I have one
simple problem.In case one would do a mass_install of the same
configuration on same hardware,then why go through all the hassle
of configuring the databases and profiles and hostnames and IP's,
unpack ,configure a.s.o.(in case I me
I've looked into this briefly. The question is why we ever need to
worry about managing loop devices. If not, and it seems we don't,
then we can completely eliminate any fudging with /dev/loopX, we can
remove utilities/dbootstrap/losetup.c.
That would also mean just mucking with a lot of suppo
Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I'm working only on a Potato upgrade.
>
> Ok, ...
>
> Any time frame so that i can manage my time for it ?
We're shooting for oct 1 I think. I would say earlier but if we wanna
wait for 2.2.17-1 we have little choice -- there are no idepci and
compa
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 04:21:50AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > > > Do you have the nls_? module in question it is trying to load?
> > >
> > > No. That would be one quite awkwardly named module, too. :)
> >
> > I meant, where you replace '?' with the
Gregory Leblanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Debian GNU/Linux installed, but this one seemed to be worthy of note.
> Nowhere in this document is anything about actually getting Debian GNU/Linux
> covered. If this is intended to be something that's distributed only with
> Debian, then it would m
Your message dated 14 Sep 2000 19:58:40 -0400
with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
and subject line Bug#71590: Boot-floppies kernel wish
has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done.
This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with.
If this is not the case it is now your r
Ale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How do you do!
> Thank you very much for Alpha Jensen AXP support. But I'm walk through
> documentation and don't find information how to install Debian on this
> monster.
> Can you send me an instruction and sites where I can download Jensen
> specific
> images?
Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > One of the things I really hate about Red Hat's installer, though, is
> > > that there's no way to escape to a shell during an installation if
> > > you're on the serial console. It does have shell-on-virtual-terminal
> > > sup
Before I can answer Adam's message, I need to dump out a huge change I
made today to how the main menu works. Before today, Adam would have
flummoxed me with his message, but I seem to be keeping ahead of him. :-)
So here goes..
Each item in the main menu is provided by an installer module. I
from the secret journal of Steve Greenland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Imagine my sympathy. This is someone passing himself off as a reviewer,
> but he can't be bothered to read the docs?
>
> Now, there are definitely places where the install could be improved,
> (this is news?), but I'm really tempte
from the secret journal of Carlos Barros ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> That reminds me a issue... Is there a vendor selling debian potato
> including a printed manual about the instalation and upgrade documents?
read his complaints, he's not installing potato. he mentions that the
installer searches the
Stuart Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sorry to reply to myself, but I've come to the conclusion after further
> testing that my floppy drive is 100% busted and I'm not going to be able
> to do anything useful off it. I also can't (practically) replace it. I
> do have a fully functioning Re
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > One of the things I really hate about Red Hat's installer, though, is
> > that there's no way to escape to a shell during an installation if
> > you're on the serial console. It does have shell-on-virtual-terminal
> > support, which is all fine and dandy
"TODD WITTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have a question about booting into debian. During installation I
> did not want to have lilo installed on the mbr. I chose to boot from
> a floppy. I also run rh6.2 and win9x on this little machine. I boot
> into redhat with a floppy and it goe
Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I just upgraded french transl. of install.sgml.
>
> Shouldn't link on line 72 point to &url-upgrading; instead of &url-release-notes; ?
No -- the release notes contain upgrading information. In fact,
&url-upgrading and &url-release-notes ar
"Philippe Geyskens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Package: boot-floppies
> Version: Debian
> architecture: i386
> model: Toshiba
> memory: 4MB
> scsi: None
> cd-rom: None
> network card: None
> pcmcia:Xircom Creditcard Ethernet IIps
>
> Ran install after downloading the ID
C'mon -- I'd have to throw the bozo bit on this guy completely
ignoring Potato. I agree with Dale and I'm the last to say Potato
installation is perfect -- but when it works, it works pretty damn
well, no need to run dselect or any of that. When it doesn't work,
it's hell.
--
.Adam Di [EM
"TODD WITTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I must say I am not a novice but I am still a bit fresh in the linux-
> world. I have installed many distros and most of them are much
> easier (less steps) than debian but over all, it's fine. I am up and
> running -- a hit on the first pitch. Sur
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, I would be willing to agree with almost anyone who says that our
> install sucks. Almost every screen has some cryptic comment that makes
> sense to me, because I understand the context, but must be pure greek to
> anyone not so familiar.
I would
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 1.) it seems that debian (or the install program) won't accept certain
> characters for passwords -- namely '\'...
> (i chose passswords with those in them, and then found that I was unable
> to login later.. )
Eh? Confirm that -- if you can confirm it, then file
Dermot McGahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am installing Debian Potato on a 486DX at the moment and when trying
> to add the 3c509 driver with io=0x300 irq=0x10 to the kernel I get the
> following errors:
>
> Note: /target/etc/modules.conf is more recent than
> /lib/modules/2.2.17-compact/mo
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:26:58AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
>
> On 14-Sep-00, 02:58 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If you ignore all of his nasty mudslinging, his gripes are the
> > following:
> >
> > The boot-floppies:
> > - Identify themselves as the debian rescue
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I never said this was a complete design yet. You're right, these are
> all gaping holes:
Yeah -- I wasn't trying to deprecate your work but cast my net a
little wider, since there are a lot of blue sky / wishlist stuff
floating around. I think the code th
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote:
> The linear mode case bothers me. Trying to think about how the installer
> could detect and fix it..
>
> It could detect looping items[1]. The fix is always going to be to back the
> install process up to some previous item that went wrong, and let the
> use
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 10:55:18PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> I was thinking something different. The stored profile should include not
> only the package questions but also the installer questions (keyboard, swap
> root partition, source location, etc.) and it should be possible to create
Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> I was thinking something different. The stored profile should include not
> only the package questions but also the installer questions (keyboard, swap
> root partition, source location, etc.) and it should be possible to create
> one or more profile without actually ins
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Joey Hess wrote:
> > debconf here, but about the installation system which uses debconf. Can we
> > save and load different pre-stored profiles?
<...>
> Loading: Move the data from the already installed system to each new
> install somehow, hopefully by the network,
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:05:17PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > > But if you want for example to install many similar machine from a cdrom
> > > how can you specify which machine (hostname, ip, etc.) you are installing
> > > without any prompting?
> >
> > DHCP
>
> This works if you have
Massimo Dal Zotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > > But if you want for example to install many similar machine from a cdrom
> > > how can you specify which machine (hostname, ip, etc.) you are installing
> > > without any prompting?
> >
> > DHCP
>
> This works if y
> Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > But if you want for example to install many similar machine from a cdrom
> > how can you specify which machine (hostname, ip, etc.) you are installing
> > without any prompting?
>
> DHCP
This works if you have a network and a DHCP server. What if you have
only the
>
> Ok. It's theoretically possible to generate a debconf db by just pulling
> in every debconf question the installer can possibly ask, and then use
> some sort of a database browser/editor program to fill in answers.
> You're not really using debconf to do this mind you. Then you feed the
> doc
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 10:32:29AM -0400, Brian Mays wrote:
> Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> adam> The kernels are there? I don't see them.
>
> Sorry about the confusion. The kernels are already in proposed updates.
Oops, it seems like I forgot to sign the changes file. They ar
Michael S. Fischer wrote:
> Agreed. It would be *especially* cool if the installer didn't abort
> entirely if, for example, a piece of required information was missing
> (for example, if someone forgot to put in the machine's DNS domain
> name). Instead, it would be nice if the installer paused
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 01:24:55PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Ok, I was wondering about this. Maybe an automatic install mode can deal
> > with _some_ error conditions, but it does seem sometimes you just have
> > to throw up your hands and scream for help. Or give up and say the
> > install fai
Joey Hess wrote:
> Ok, I was wondering about this. Maybe an automatic install mode can deal
> with _some_ error conditions, but it does seem sometimes you just have
> to throw up your hands and scream for help. Or give up and say the
> install failed. And the latter seems a much better call.
Er,
[ People keep replying to me privately. I hope you don't mind that I'm
replying to the list. ]
Michael S. Fischer wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 01:02:22PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
>
> > Oh, if we're in linear mode and something goes wrong, we could simply
> > leave linear mode. "You broke it,
Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> But if you want for example to install many similar machine from a cdrom
> how can you specify which machine (hostname, ip, etc.) you are installing
> without any prompting?
DHCP
(Buit I have no problem with allowing an automatic installation to be
started manually. An
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Ben Collins wrote:
> > Sparcs and powerpc also have PCI support for the most part -- maybe
> > the focus should be just on PCI support. Then we could look at SBUS
> > on older sparcs as a sideline?
>
> Concentratin on PCI is the goal, IMO. SBUS device detection is overkill.
Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > You're essentially suggesting that we don't use debconf.
> >
> > Ok, I'm open to that suggestion. What does this method give us that
> > using a debconfish scheme does not?
>
> No, using debconf is ok. I don't see any other way to do it.
>
> I am only suggesting tha
I wrote:
> Also, remember the little aside I wrote about making the menu be
> skippable so the install happens in a linear mode, with whatever would
> be the default menu item being picked each time. This will be hard. We
> will have to avoid loops that they can't break out of. I'm not sure yet
>
I just realized this didn't go to debian-boot. Whoops.
- Forwarded message from Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
From: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:20:22 -0700
To: "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mostly UI issues (Re: redesigning the debian insta
Well, I would be willing to agree with almost anyone who says that our
install sucks. Almost every screen has some cryptic comment that makes
sense to me, because I understand the context, but must be pure greek to
anyone not so familiar.
However, my biggest complaint has never been addressed as
On 14-Sep-00, 02:58 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you ignore all of his nasty mudslinging, his gripes are the
> following:
>
> The boot-floppies:
> - Identify themselves as the debian rescue floppy which is certianly
> confusing if you don't read documentation.
Hey list!
I have a question about booting into debian. During installation I
did not want to have lilo installed on the mbr. I chose to boot from
a floppy. I also run rh6.2 and win9x on this little machine. I boot
into redhat with a floppy and it goes lickity split! ("/" is mounted on
hda
Chris Rutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Enclosed is a (hopefully uncontroversial) patch which adds support for
> some weirdo partitioning formats found on Acorn machines (which come
> under ARM). The patch is against CVS from about a week ago; I don't
> think anything relevant to the patch ha
Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
adam> Can you clue me on where the 2.2.17-1 vanilla and ide flavors are?
adam> I can't find them on auric, or in proposed updates.
Brian Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
brian> They are sitting in incoming on ftp-master.debian.org. My first
brian> attem
On 14 Sep 00, at 18:00, Glenn McGrath wrote:
> This is a pretty nasty review of the installer
>
> http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/lw-09-vcontrol_2.html
I must say I am not a novice but I am still a bit fresh in the linux-
world. I have installed many distros and most of them
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 10:08:07AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:15:51PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > > > That's true, but a more generalized point is that more and more
> > > > hardware (sparc, ult
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:15:51PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > > That's true, but a more generalized point is that more and more
> > > hardware (sparc, ultrasparc, powerpc, dunno about the rest) support
> > > openfirmware or openb
Brian Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Can you clue me on where the 2.2.17-1 vanilla and ide flavors are? I
> > can't find them on auric, or in proposed updates.
>
> They are sitting in incoming on ftp-master.debian.org. My first attempt
> at a
> Glenn McGrath wrote:
> > This is a pretty nasty review of the installer
> >
> > http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/lw-09-vcontrol_2.html
Oh yes, the installer...
One of my friends, who is a total Linux/Unix novice, (but manages to keep
Win98
in usable state) said he'd like to try
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
>
> > Ideally the auto-installation should be completely non-interactive but it
> > may ask the installation profile name and some vital information not
> > supplied in the profile.
>
> Completely non-interactive is an point.
>
> > 2) on
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> Ideally the auto-installation should be completely non-interactive but it
> may ask the installation profile name and some vital information not
> supplied in the profile.
Completely non-interactive is an point.
> 2) on each target machine:
>
> Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > In my slink automatic installer I used snarf to do network installation
> > from http and ftp. It is quite small and works very well.
> > I also wrote a cp-like command which can copy files and directories from
> > a real filesystem path or a remote url. Very handy f
> Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> > I suggest that the installer configuration and installation are done
> > in separate and independent steps so that one can configure one or
> > more installation profiles, store them on a floppy or remote server
> > and then run automatic installations without any fu
Glenn McGrath wrote:
> This is a pretty nasty review of the installer
>
> http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/lw-09-vcontrol_2.html
>
> "I know. I can't be critical of Debian because it is an all-volunteer
> effort and all of the software used is pure, free, and unfettered. Sure,
> i
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:33:10AM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
> The auto-installation could be started automatically with the proper boot
> option but from the user point of view I prefer that he has the possibility
> to start it from the initial menu. This is also much safer than running it
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 09:07:09PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote:
>
> > I would like to have an initial menu with three options:
> >
> > 1. configuration
> > 2. installation
> > 3. auto-installation
>
> I suggest for an unattended installation that (3) not necessarily be
> me
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