in console mode:
When I switch between Gnome and the console (stretch alt 3 and alt 1)
speakup does not speak when orca is used.
EG:
I'm using orca in gnome and then I want to enter some commands lines
without using the Gnome terminal.
So I do "alt 3" to go in command line but speakup does not speak.
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On 12/14/2017 11:17 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hello,
john doe, on jeu. 14 déc. 2017 08:55:34 +0100, wrote:
I find myself installing Debian for sited users.
They don't need the accessibility feature to be installed or enabled at
boot.
It would be nice if something like the following cou
On 12/14/2017 12:47 PM, Sebastian Humenda wrote:
Hi john
john doe schrieb am 14.12.2017, 11:34 +0100:
On 12/14/2017 11:17 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
john doe, on jeu. 14 déc. 2017 08:55:34 +0100, wrote:
I find myself installing Debian for sited users.
They don't need the accessib
th or without expert mode, to choose if
that behavier is desirable.
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tures to get you
started.
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way to get those prompts fully accessible using espeakup?
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> Twitter Hypra
<https://twitter.com/Hypra_> Linkedin Jean-Philippe
<https://fr.linkedin.com/in/jean-philippe-mengual-800133135>
Le 18/12/2017 à 11:55, john doe a écrit :
Hi list,
When I install or reconfigure packages 'dpkg'* is used.
Most of the prompts are to be used
the color spoken for each option.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017, john doe wrote:
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 05:55:05
From: john doe
To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Accessibility of dpkg using espeakup
Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 10:55:30 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.
On 12/18/2017 12:50 PM, john doe wrote:
Hi,
Botom-posting
On 12/18/2017 12:31 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
It's necessary to inspect the prompts with a cursor by moving to each
possible option, say you're on a yes prompt and a no prompt is
available. You would hit insert
enabled and will be generated.
In order to handle colored windows, you can put speakup in highlight
tracking mode.
Regards,
Michelangelo
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017, john doe wrote:
Hi,
Botom-posting
On 12/18/2017 12:31 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
It's necessary to inspect the prompts with a cursor by m
Hi Samuel,
On 12/19/2017 1:31 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hello,
john doe, on lun. 18 déc. 2017 11:55:05 +0100, wrote:
When I install or reconfigure packages 'dpkg'* is used.
Most of the prompts are to be used based on colors, for instance, to select
Yes/no.
Some examples of th
On 12/19/2017 6:29 AM, john doe wrote:
Hi Samuel,
On 12/19/2017 1:31 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hello,
john doe, on lun. 18 déc. 2017 11:55:05 +0100, wrote:
When I install or reconfigure packages 'dpkg'* is used.
Most of the prompts are to be used based on colors, for instance,
On 12/19/2017 8:12 AM, john doe wrote:
On 12/19/2017 6:29 AM, john doe wrote:
Hi Samuel,
On 12/19/2017 1:31 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hello,
john doe, on lun. 18 déc. 2017 11:55:05 +0100, wrote:
When I install or reconfigure packages 'dpkg'* is used.
Most of the prompts are
uted.?
With out having the all conversation, the fact that DISPLAY is not
populated might be the real issue here.
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u: command not found
$ ls
dn.txt
The file 'dn.txt' is created regardless of the command before it.
You could try:
2>&1 > /fully/qualified/path/dn.txt
'echo $DISPLAY > dn.txt' -- The file dn.txt is created in the current
directory.
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017, j
to create a file first before anything can be
sent to that file.
That is absolutely not normal.
As Paul said, something is very rong here.
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o accomplish?
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017, john doe wrote:
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 14:29:42
From: john doe
To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: xclip problem
Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:30:01 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
On 12/22/2017 7:56 PM
On 12/23/2017 5:32 AM, john doe wrote:
On 12/22/2017 9:38 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
I tried all of this in a terminal and got :0.0 for the DISPLAY value.
So I exported DISPLAY=:0.0 then ran xclip and xclip errored out
because it couldn't find DISPLAY :0.0.
From:
https://github.com/as
pstream doesn't want
that. Normally, espeakup could have its own pulseaudio server, playing
well along pulseaudio servers of other users, but I failed to get
something working.
Any thoughts?
We really need to fix this (and I'm really depressed that it seems
nobody took the time to manage to work out a solution).
Samuel
+1
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Hi list,
How can I disable orca at lightdm-gtk-greeter?
Basically, I want to disable orca at the prompt where I need to enter my
credentials before logging into 'MATE'.
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On 1/2/2018 9:54 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
Le 02/01/2018 à 17:26, john doe a écrit :
Hi list,
How can I disable orca at lightdm-gtk-greeter?
Basically, I want to disable orca at the prompt where I need to enter
my credentials before logging into 'MATE'.
Hello John,
I use the
On 1/3/2018 3:24 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hello,
john doe, on mar. 02 janv. 2018 17:26:44 +0100, wrote:
How can I disable orca at lightdm-gtk-greeter?
I guess you can type insert-Q to make Orca quit?
Basically, I want to disable orca at the prompt where I need to enter my
credentials
Hi Samuel,
On 1/3/2018 4:42 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hello,
john doe, on mer. 03 janv. 2018 16:21:08 +0100, wrote:
Has explained in a previous thread I install Debian for sited user
I'm afraid I just can't manage to remember all of what is happening here
and there, there are jus
x27;t try to tamper
with the apollo device?
How can BRLTTY be disabled?
Looks like the old way via /etc/default/$daemon doesn't apply anymore.
You could try:
Debian 8 and above:
systemctl disable brltty
Debian 7 and below:
insserv -r brltty
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On 1/22/2018 10:52 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
michael caron couturier, on jeu. 18 janv. 2018 10:31:49 -0500, wrote:
Count me in for accessibility testing if you need.
Thanks!
Count me in as well!!! :)
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e new installation but the orca stuff got saved?
- Do you know if the system can boot (can you ping it)?
- Did you install ssh; if yes can you remotely access that host?
- Maybe using Debian rescue?
- Can you mount that partition from an other system?
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ksum is correct (the output should end with 'OK')?
On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, john doe wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 05:49:43
From: john doe
To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: debian-buster-di-alpha2-x86_64 standard system install
Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:50:0
try rescue mode to repair it and report this as a bug.
From:
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
"After using the Debian-Installer, please send us an installation
report, even if there weren't any problems."
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, john doe wrote:
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 201
On 2/6/2018 7:15 AM, john doe wrote:
On 2/6/2018 6:53 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
I ran the integrity check on the debian install menu. The last
question I was asked was if system was set to utc or localtime and I
answered that question and the disk went to 61% and ejected.
So clearly Debian
hould be better off on debian-user.
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get access to a more stable internet connection?
They are nothing that we can do to help.
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minal provided by the
desktop manager (Gnome, Mate ...).
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, you should only use debian.org)?
- What commands did you use and what are the output of those commands?
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On 2/8/2018 7:54 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Yes, I imported the debian signing key and I have MD5SUMS and
MD5SUMS.sign sha256SUMS SHA256SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS and SHA512SUMS.sign
SHA1SUMS SHA1SUMS.sign.
From which URL did you get the files?
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, john doe wrote:
Date: Thu, 8
On 2/8/2018 8:03 PM, john doe wrote:
On 2/8/2018 7:54 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Yes, I imported the debian signing key and I have MD5SUMS and
MD5SUMS.sign sha256SUMS SHA256SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS and SHA512SUMS.sign
SHA1SUMS SHA1SUMS.sign.
From which URL did you get the files?
For testing
E80D 6294 BE9B
If it does not work please post the commands used and the output of
those commands.
Note that my mailer might fold this e-mail.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, john doe wrote:
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:03:40
From: john doe
To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: debian unoffi
k the same as 13 days ago.
To be frank I've moved on.
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there's a
configuration (dotfiles) that manage accessibility.
If the Debian installer can get you what you want, it means that you are
missing packages.
The installer simply install packages based on what you choose.
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start orca is speakup speaking?
It looks like it's the pulse audio bug back again.
Basically, if orca is speaking, speakup won't speak!!! :)
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Hi James, I'm sending this e-mail through the list in the hope that this
nasty bug will be fixed once and for all.
On 3/17/2018 5:54 PM, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi John
On 17 Mar 2018, at 14:30, john doe wrote:
If you don't start orca is speakup speaking?
Yes, Speakup speaks unde
On 3/26/2018 8:42 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
As of now, no console userid exists in /etc/passwd. I will need to
research how best to set that up after lunch.
Use the 'adduser' command to add a user.
https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/adduser/adduser.8.en.html
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On 3/26/2018 9:00 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
That looks like something that is Arch specific. I probably can’t be much help
there.
My understanding is that the OP is on Debian but used the Arch wiki.
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with accessibility/Debian.
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ripting those command so I would be able to switch back and forth when
needed.
Given that the delay option is not ideal an other thing that could be
done would be to implement a shortcut that would do the necessary
step(s) to be able to switch back and forth between the DM and the console.
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Hi Samuel,
Thank you for taking the time to do this! :)
On 5/3/2018 11:57 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Hello,
john doe, le mer. 02 mai 2018 10:06:42 +0200, a ecrit:
On 5/2/2018 1:40 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
I'm afraid the only solution we have is that both espeakup and
speech-dispa
release on switching off
from Xorg.
Or simply orca itself, I have submitted
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795786
Again, thanks for all your work.
Much appreciated.
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a brail display:
https://linux.die.net/man/1/qemu-kvm
You could have a look at NVDA which is also written in python:
https://github.com/nvaccess
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9.
Any reason why you have file name separated with spaces in the repo
(with CLI/Git I would use '-' instead of spaces for 'file' name)?
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e having.
Samuel
Is it necessary to modify our sources.list file to use the debug debian
archive and if so, what would that line or those lines need to be?
Have a look here:
https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages
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The fix relies on multiple components though, as a consequence, it will
take time to be fully implemented.
See the archive of this list for more info.
Credits goes primarily to "Samuel Thibault" for addressing this issue.
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efering to 'espeakup', on Debian 8 or above you
could try to disable the service:
$ systemctl disable espeakup
The 'disable' keyword will disable the service from starting at boot,
use 'stop' or 'start' to manually stop and start the service.
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peak so that it runs in console.
>
> Is there something I can do?
>
Not that I know of.
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gt;
It is one thing to help by talking about a pay product but it is an
other thing to advertise for that product.
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f17...@hypra.fr>) could at least be
removed from the archive or should it be flagged as spam?
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bian to investigate this issue, so I give up.
>
> I will just answer questions from Debian folks, if any.
>
> Meanwhile, my advice to blind Linux users is to use Slint ;)
>
Or using the terminal provided by the DE.
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:)
Why, vms is not an issue here I installed Stretch with Gnome flawlessly
with the option "install with speatch".
Not heavily tested though.
> I guess in the future I'll have to just refrain from making updates of
> such essential accessibility packages unless people do test packages
> that I'll make available in the staging area mentioned above.
>
Isn't Debian testing for that purpose?
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Orca will be able to use pulseaudio.
When the CLI is required, simply start the terminal used by the DM
('gnome terminal', 'mate terminal' ...).
Note that when a service is disabled, the service can still be started
manually (In the above command 'start' or 'stop' will start or stop the
service respectively).
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LI during and after installation.
The option "install with speatch" is to be selected at install time,
when installed exporting the en 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline' will help
using the CLI.
>From what you are describing, it souns like the user needs to learn the
CLI rather then the CLI not being accessible with 'espeakup'.
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On 12/10/2018 5:53 PM, john doe wrote:
> On 12/10/2018 5:25 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there someone to ask to see if we can obtain a basic CLI system with
>> speech for blind users who want CLI system?
>>
>> Using the Debian installer, th
ve a CD that installed a command line system, including
> sound, networking, and mail and web browsing.
>
> Web: w3m, lynx, elinks, links2 (works with framebuffer in color) an ftp
> client, irssi for IRC, wodim for making CDs and the files for DVDs, alpine,
> mutt for mail, and so forth.
>
Preseed file can do that.
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27;) "For each of the specified commands, the first
argument must be either an absolute path to an executable or a simple
file name without any slashes. Optionally, this filename may be prefixed"
1) https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html
Note that this e-mail is folded by my mailer.
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>
In the file '/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service' as root, modifying
the line from:
ExecStart=sh -c 'modprobe speakup_soft && /usr/bin/espeakup -V ${VOICE}'
to:
ExecStart=/bin/sh -c 'modprobe speakup_soft && /usr/bin/espeakup -V
${VOICE}'
Restart with the following command:
$ systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl restart espeakup
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nds of places, and nobody is working on fixing them yet. Also,
> MATE+Compiz now provides very nice zoom support.
>
What about Orca?
The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop
environment' (Gnome).
P.S. Keeping 'task...@packages.debian.org'
On 2/8/2019 6:45 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:39:39 +0100, a ecrit:
>> What about Orca?
>> The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop
>> environment' (Gnome).
>
> When was that time?
> A lo
On 2/8/2019 7:25 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 19:09:39 +0100, a ecrit:
>> On 2/8/2019 6:47 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>> Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit:
>>>> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, S
th
speatch"), the default desktop environment should be the one propose by
Debian.
A warning should be displayed saying something like "the 'debian desktop
environment' is currently less accessible then Mate".
I'll go back to a point I already raised, that is, the Debian talking
installer shouldn't presume the Debian defaults and ask for any changes
that involve accessibility.
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On 2/9/2019 11:19 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> john doe, le sam. 09 févr. 2019 09:53:03 +0100, a ecrit:
>> Something that is confusing is that when installing Debian with the
>> kernel boot parameter 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text', 'Debian desktop
>&g
On 2/9/2019 3:16 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland?
>
How do I go about testing wayland?
Should I tested on Mate or on Gnome?
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On 1/10/2019 9:31 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> john doe, le jeu. 10 janv. 2019 18:09:35 +0100, a ecrit:
>> According to the below message and to (1, 'execstart=') the command
>> 'ExecStart' should use a fully qualified path when 'execstop=
;Install Debian
with speatch'.
Any thoughts on how I could do that?
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On 2/21/2019 7:32 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> john doe, le jeu. 21 févr. 2019 19:24:18 +0100, a ecrit:
>> On 1/10/2019 9:31 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> john doe, le jeu. 10 janv. 2019 18:09:35 +0100, a ecrit:
>>>>
On 2/22/2019 10:04 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> john doe, le ven. 22 févr. 2019 09:24:06 +0100, a ecrit:
>> Basically, I need the accessibility features, has they would have been
>> installed if I had done the installation by selecting 'Install Debian
&
atus espeakup
In other words: espeakup should speak during and after the boot process
without needing to do anything in particular.
I also echo the sentiment expressed in this thread regarding the
outstanding work of the accessibility folks.
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e than once as it is supposed to
> give the effect of handling multiple streams but either I didn't
> install it correctly or there was some other issue because I
> never got it to work right.
>
What did you do and where were you stuck?
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d be an issue here.
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallOnSDcardOrUsbStick
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s question defeats the purpose of mailing lists and the linux
comunity! :)
In general, what is not accessibility related is findable online.
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up'.
The issue you are describing above is related to Espeakup.
Espeakup is used during the install of Debian and while in console mode
but Orca is used in a desktop environment.
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iminate playing with grub
"blindly".
See (2) for serial console.
1) https://lwn.net/Articles/302159/
2)
https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/configure-boot-loader-grub.html
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lity.
>
Apparently, Mate is more accessible then Gnome.
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Please post through the list, bottom-posting.
On 8/2/2019 2:42 AM, Don Raikes wrote:
> So how do I install in screenreader mode?
> -Original Message-
The URL (1) should get you started.
1) https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility
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eaving Orca with only questions.
>
> An easy way to work around this is to use
>
> DISPLAY= reportbug
>
> to prevent the reportbug gtk backend from popping up at all.
>
Does that mean that 'reportbug' is ignoring 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text/readline'?
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.com --server smtp.gmail.com
>
> Be careful with spoken passwords ..
You might have better exposure on debian-user as it is not a
"accessibility" issue per say.
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;>> C-Media Oxygen HD Audio at 0xce00, irq 19
>>> I am not sure that this order is retained when it boots in the
>>> non-working
>>> state.
>>
>> That's where specifying either MID or DGX instead of 0/1 allows to avoid
>> relying on the ordering.
> OK, thank you, so do I just need to specify in /etc/default/espeakup or
> should it be somewhere else?
>
The file '/etc/default/espeakup' is a safe bet.
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.
1) https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility
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On 9/23/2019 10:27 PM, Keith Barrett wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am taking delivery of a Kenwood tm-d710ge this week.
>
> Does any one on here have a panel description or an accessible manual?
>
> Many thanks
>
It would be good if you could stay on topick.
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ist is more appropriate for my questions, please let me know.
>
If your questions are related to accessibility this is a good place to
ask them, on the other hand, if your questions are related on how to use
'Debian' the list debian-user might be a better fit! :)
My advice, get down to installing Debian, come back here if your stuck.
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etc/init.d/espeakup restart
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was not sure where to report
> this since it is an irritation, not a major bug, but something which might be
> simply fixed in upcoming versions.
>
Is it safe to assume that you are seeing this bug with "Install Debian
with speatch", if no, 'debian-boot' might be more appropriate.
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re details what I did to cause the error.
>> Thanks for the work you have been doing.
>>
What is needed is every step(s) that the OP has taken in order to be
able to reproduce the error! :)
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n not having the technical
> knowledge to understand entirely what is happening in the different upstream
> packages.
>
As an alternative to the Mac, Windows 10 with NVDA works pretty well.
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said
>>>>> one of their community leader). Buy Hypra about 2000 euros, get an
>>>>> out-of-the-box accessible Debian, a warranty it will stay
>>>>> accessible through updates, free updates, persons you can talk to,
>>>>> in order to request for things and getting support and training,
>>>>> fund the free software dev to avoid such dark future as described
>>>>> on the thread. You can connect most accessories (even Apple ones
>>>>> despite many complexities).
>>>>> In other words, if you use free software, why changing it for Mac
>>>>> whereas you can pay nearly the same for a full Linux accessible,
>>>>> warranty and with human support? So far there were few warranties,
>>>>> hence people going to typical computers, now there is, so free
>>>>> software supporters should pay to fund this effort instead of
>>>>> paying for Apple, whose effort is not the same after Jobs' death.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Assuming that you still work at Hypra, I don't think that it is
acceptable to use your debian.org e-mail to promote your work place.
Clearly, those e-mail should be removed because they fall under spam or
promotional e-mails.
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cessibility#LiveCD_accessibility
2) http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=accessibility
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> chance to do it myself.
As I'm subscribed to this list, please don't CC me.
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On 12/7/2019 8:44 PM, john doe wrote:
> On 12/7/2019 7:33 PM, mattias jonsson wrote:
>> Can you read?
>>
>> Ok i should write if you was a idiot
>>
>> 1: i have both win10 and debian
>>
>> 2 when you start the computer and grub starts
>>
&g
com>
> *Ämne: *Re: grub
>
> The line that's commented out in probably /etc/default/grub with TUNE on
>
> it needs uncommenting as root or sudo user. Then also as root or sudo
>
> user you need to update grub. Something like grub-mkconfig -o
>
> /boot/grub/grub.cfg should do that for you.
Use 'upgrade-grup' instead.
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path. i did not figure whats the issue as
>>> the same
>>> setup.py works perfectly on my arch machine. so the issue seems to be the
>>> way
>>> how Debian handles non source files in setup.py files with pip3.
>>
$ apt-get install libdbus-1-dev libdbus-glib-1-dev pkg-config python3-pip
$ pip3 install fenrir-screenreader
Does the trick for me.
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t if you install ssh during installation.
Basically, the points you are bringing up are valid but Debian has
nothing to do with them.
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on all Debian systems, so something
> needs to trigger the screen reader startup.
>
Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired
would go a lon way.
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On 3/2/2020 5:13 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit:
>> Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired
>> would go a lon way.
>
> But we don't necessarily want to ask the question on all Debian syst
eFX 2015 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
> Motherboard: Asus Maximus VIII GENE; Chipset: Intel Z170
>
Is it safe to assume that "Install Debian with speatch" works?
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