Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 1-3: irc meeting(s) on the internet

2012-10-29 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Holger, On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:52:23AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > so, you can flame now. On the contrary: Many thanks for your detailed report and the insight you gave. This draws a very better picture than past discussions here on the list. Many thanks for this! Considering you also

Re: [Debconf-team] Website restyle

2012-10-29 Thread Raphaël Walther
Hello Allison, On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 05:38:06PM +0100, Allison Randal wrote: > On 10/28/2012 12:16 AM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Okay, that's easy enough. I've commented out the link for the Spanish > translation, and will change it to whatever translation language is > chosen. (I'm leaving all t

[Debconf-team] Le Camp / payment terms / the DebDebt?

2012-10-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
Quoting the two points from Holger's email on payment terms: "* About paying in advance: we agreed to put something in the contract to pay 30k end of February 2012, second 30k end of May 2012, "but": two weeks later is fine and if we'd only had 25k at that moment it would also be no big issue. T

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp / payment terms / the DebDebt?

2012-10-29 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 29. Oktober 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote: > For the instalments: has DebConf usually raised cash so quickly and so > far in advance? I have previously heard that most cash comes 1 month > before DebConf. we already have 6k at least (=might be 11) plus those 2x20k plus its still >4 m

Re: [Debconf-team] Website restyle

2012-10-29 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 29. Oktober 2012, Raphaël Walther wrote: > I think we should remove the permanent sponsors until they commit. they commited already, thats why there "permanently" listed. > Also > I'd like to help on the website because I think that most of potential > sponsors will have at least

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp / payment terms / the DebDebt?

2012-10-29 Thread Philipp Hug
Hi, >> For the final bill: >> >> - at first glance, it appears positive that people won't be standing in >> the street if money is not paid in advance, but a deeper reflection on >> this should raise concerns > > well, yes, every coin has at least four sides, but really here for us, paying > later

Re: [Debconf-team] Website restyle

2012-10-29 Thread Allison Randal
On 10/29/2012 09:30 AM, Raphaël Walther wrote: > > I think we should remove the permanent sponsors until they commit. Okay, removed those as well. > Also > I'd like to help on the website because I think that most of potential > sponsors will have at least a look on it. Please, dive in, there'

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp / payment terms / the DebDebt?

2012-10-29 Thread Holger Levsen
On Montag, 29. Oktober 2012, Philipp Hug wrote: > I do agree, that there's a risk here. As we only get the final invoice > after the conference we might get a surprise because we calculated > differently than LeCamp. right, there is a risk. but can we migate it, maybe? and if so how? /me yawns.

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp / payment terms / the DebDebt?

2012-10-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/10/12 10:59, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Montag, 29. Oktober 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> For the instalments: has DebConf usually raised cash so quickly and so >> far in advance? I have previously heard that most cash comes 1 month >> before DebConf. > > we already have 6k at least

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 1-3: irc meeting(s) on the internet

2012-10-29 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-29 08:12, Andreas Tille wrote: Considering you also visited one proposed alternative (Interlaken) I would like to trust you and the voting (from first part) that Le Camp might make a nice DebConf. The problem is not to answer "What is nicer?" but to be sure that we choose something

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 1-3: irc meeting(s) on the internet

2012-10-29 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:10:37PM +, Moray Allan wrote: > > Only if it is shown that both options would work equally well for > Debian in budget/risks/etc. is it relevant to ask which is nicer. I have choosen the term "nice" more or less as a sign of optimism in contrast of some very sad mes

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 1-3: irc meeting(s) on the internet

2012-10-29 Thread Holger Levsen
On Montag, 29. Oktober 2012, Moray Allan wrote: > The problem is anyway not to answer "Le Camp vs. Interlaken". It has > not yet been shown that either of these options will work with > acceptable risks, IMO it has for Le Camp. ___ Debconf-team mailing

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 1-3: irc meeting(s) on the internet

2012-10-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/10/12 14:10, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Montag, 29. Oktober 2012, Moray Allan wrote: >> The problem is anyway not to answer "Le Camp vs. Interlaken". It has >> not yet been shown that either of these options will work with >> acceptable risks, > > IMO it has for Le Camp. There seem to be a

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 3: irc meeting(s) on the internet

2012-10-29 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 29. Oktober 2012, Moray Allan wrote: > On 2012-10-28 23:52, Holger Levsen wrote: > > we decide RSN. > I would hope so. No, just hoping is too little. We should activly work towards that goal!! If we dont manage to decide in the next 14 days, I personally think that it will be ve

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 3: irc meeting(s) on the internet

2012-10-29 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Holger Levsen dijo [Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:52:23AM +0100]: > So, as a meeting in Le Camp we came to the conclusion to recommend to the > globalteam to have DebConf13 in Le Camp and also to come to a final decision > rather fast. Thats why we want an IRC meeting soon, eg next Friday (November >

[Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 4: some random prices in switzerland

2012-10-29 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, just some random data points on what I spent during my 3 days in Switzerland. I didnt see a supermarket from inside, just kiosks & bars, basically. 4.10 CHF 1 tram (public transport) within Zurich, single trip 9.00 CHF 2 coffees in train 3.50 CHF crossaint and a cookie (in zurich) 6.90 C

Re: [Debconf-team] le camp budget...

2012-10-29 Thread Philipp Hug
Hi, The updated budget from the weekend was just uploaded. Changes: * removed the registration fee * Reduced some non-essential or too high budgeted expenses * Created 2 separate sheets (normal, optimistic) * Reduced number of corporate attendees to 1 I will further discuss this the budget with d

Re: [Debconf-team] le camp budget...

2012-10-29 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 29/10/12 15:15, Philipp Hug wrote: > Hi, > > The updated budget from the weekend was just uploaded. > Changes: > * removed the registration fee > * Reduced some non-essential or too high budgeted expenses > * Created 2 separate sheets (normal, optimistic) > * Reduced number of corporate attende

Re: [Debconf-team] Website restyle

2012-10-29 Thread Luca Capello
Hi there! On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:50:56 +0200, Allison Randal wrote: > I've checked in a restyle on the dc13 website. Just theme changes so > far, no content changes. I went for a red & white theme, inspired by the > logo. All contributions or changes gladly welcomed. :) Allison, Eric and Ana (who

[Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp "BSP", part 5: pics

2012-10-29 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, http://layer-acht.org/fotos/670_Switzerland_DC13-pre/ has some photos I took this weekend. Please excuse the crappy quality! :-) Some stats I forgot so far: - 5-10 RC bugs squashed (some people did work on this a bit, but we didnt really keep track...) - 3kg cheese were eaten, I guess - on

[Debconf-team] A better budget analysis

2012-10-29 Thread Richard Darst
Hi, This email is from darst (who takes responsibility for most editorial opinions) and hug, about budget things. Le Camp: - ~ 95 kCHF fixed costs, which about matches a "safe" initial sponsorship estimate. (65 kCHF all accom and 30 kCHF other) - This is with no attendees. Each additional at