[Debconf-team] recent disturbing undercurrents in debconf?

2006-07-10 Thread Andreas Schuldei
I detect some undercurrents in the social makeup of debconf, but i cant put my finger on what it is. i would like to hear from you what you think that it might be, when it started and where it comes from. To me this is a serious issue and i think it has the potential of bringing this whole thing

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-10 Thread Aschwin van der Woude
On za, 2006-07-08 at 10:39 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > One of the things that's confusing me about the bidding this year is > the "do or die" attitude that we seem to have gotten to; I've heard > suggestions from both teams now that if they don't get DebConf 7 they're > going to give up and not t

Re: [Debconf-team] On finding a decision and IRC moderation

2006-07-10 Thread Aschwin van der Woude
On zo, 2006-07-09 at 19:02 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > (BTW, I'm not too happy with this delegation based system what we have this > time as it already led to what I feared it would lead to: some people are > more important and equal than others. I liked it, when I (maybe wrongly) had > the im

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-10 Thread Aschwin van der Woude
On za, 2006-07-08 at 07:43 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > You already achieved a big success, Safir, by turning something which > I personnally was considering as the "dream by one man" to a team > approach and a very valuable proposition. I fully agree with Christian, you have done a hell of j

Re: [Debconf-team] Meeting for DC7 on monday

2006-07-10 Thread Aschwin van der Woude
Hi, While I understand the concerns, I think this is the worst possible solution. The meeting should be open for all, and perhaps using the simple rules of conduct outlined in the email from Holger. I am sure together we can figure out ways not to have our Debconf meetings explode as the previou

Re: [Debconf-team] On finding a decision and IRC moderation

2006-07-10 Thread Aschwin van der Woude
> But I do agree such experiences should lead to inequality in decision Uh should *not* lead to inequality ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team

Re: [Debconf-team] On finding a decision and IRC moderation

2006-07-10 Thread Amaya
Aschwin van der Woude wrote: > If my decision to partly use moderation during last meeting caused > additional friction or other worrying feelings I dearly appologise > for my mistake. Hey! No problem, don't be hard on yourself, I think we all learned from it and it even lead to a better moder

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-10 Thread Vedran Ljubovic
On Monday 10 July 2006 10:07, Aschwin van der Woude wrote: > I fully agree with Anthony. The world doesn't end with DC7, and neither > does DebConf. There will likely be a DC8, DC9, etc. > > And if the loosing team keeps on preparing for DC8, that will only make > it even more likely that there wil

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10711 March 1977, Vedran Ljubovic wrote: >> I fully agree with Anthony. The world doesn't end with DC7, and neither >> does DebConf. There will likely be a DC8, DC9, etc. >> And if the loosing team keeps on preparing for DC8, that will only make >> it even more likely that there will be a DC8.

[Debconf-team] SJJ wiki updated

2006-07-10 Thread Vedran Ljubovic
Hello, Just to remind that we have done a *lot* of work on our wiki since Wednesday... it would be reasonable to have another look. http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Sarajevo Good luck to everyone this evening and please don't argue, it benefits noone, just make the best decision based on the fa

[Debconf-team] cost-comparison spreadsheet - make your own calculations

2006-07-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, I have created a spreadsheet now, based on the numbers Alexander put in http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparisonPrices - the version last edited at 2006-07-09 20:02:35 by AlexanderSchmehl. With one change, the food prices in Edinburgh: according to the wiki-page it's 4.5-6e. Accordi

Re: [Debconf-team] recent disturbing undercurrents in debconf?

2006-07-10 Thread Florian Reitmeir
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > I detect some undercurrents in the social makeup of debconf, but > i cant put my finger on what it is. > > i would like to hear from you what you think that it might be, > when it started and where it comes from. > > To me this is a serious issue an

[Debconf-team] Debconf 7 Venue Delegation

2006-07-10 Thread Anthony Towns
Hi all, On the 23rd of June, I delegated [0] the decision on where to hold DebConf 2007 to a group of six developers selected from the people who had contributed to the recent conference in Mexico. At the time, the decision on where to hold the conference was scheduled for the 5th of July, having

Re: [Debconf-team] cost-comparison spreadsheet - make your own calculations

2006-07-10 Thread Bdale Garbee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Holger Levsen) writes: > I have created a spreadsheet now, based on the numbers Alexander put in > http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparisonPrices - the version last > edited at 2006-07-09 20:02:35 by AlexanderSchmehl. Thanks. It really helps me to see the numbers side

[Debconf-team] Last minute updates

2006-07-10 Thread Vedran Ljubovic
Hello all, Sorry for inconvenience. Our team really is working until the last minute, we have some further information that is needed to clarify some issues: 1) Some people had raised the issue of potential cultural clashes if Sarajevo is chosen as host of DebConf. We have assembled some furth

Re: [Debconf-team] Last minute updates

2006-07-10 Thread Vedran Ljubovic
On Monday 10 July 2006 18:09, Vedran Ljubovic wrote: > (I guess the orga team left a good impression). Even if Sarajevo is found > to be more expensive, we feel that this venue gives better value for money > - see for yourselves (lots of pics): s/better/good/ -- Vedran Ljubović DebConf SJJ Team

Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?

2006-07-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Vedran Ljubovic dijo [Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:52:42AM +0200]: > On Monday 10 July 2006 10:07, Aschwin van der Woude wrote: > > I fully agree with Anthony. The world doesn't end with DC7, and neither > > does DebConf. There will likely be a DC8, DC9, etc. > > > > And if the loosing team keeps on pre

[Debconf-team] debconf as we know it...

2006-07-10 Thread Andreas Schuldei
i guess that the time of debconf as we know it is over. AJ has promoted a for-money debconf, where people pay real money for what they get. in mails to this list he outlined his planns of how the delegation would happen to the local team etc to morph debconf in a second linuxconf au. After getting

Re:[Debconf-team] debconf as we know it...

2006-07-10 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
Hi Andreas. I just read your email -while in the army using a wap phone -and i was shocked! What happened? _ I sent this message from my cell phone using flurrymail. Click here to get your email on your cell phone for free: http://www.flurrymail.com --- Original Messa

Re: [Debconf-team] debconf as we know it...

2006-07-10 Thread Amaya
Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: > Hi Andreas. I just read your email -while in the army using a wap > phone -and i was shocked! What happened? Send the troops right now! Emergency! I just wish I had a Walkie-talkie. -- .''`. Fuck your fascist beauty standards : :' : `. `'