Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-04-16 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Richard, On Montag, 24. März 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: > FWIW, not having direct access to the penta db, I find that Richard's > website is the best source for historical data about recent DebConfs, even > though it stops at DC11. If someone has the necessary raw penta access and > wants to

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-04-02 Thread Moray Allan
On 2014-04-02 06:06, martin f krafft wrote: Or find ways to integrate the conference dinner with the day trip, such that at the end of an outside day, you get to eat outside food too. Yes, though some attendees have liked having the dinner/whatever other social event on a separate day. (Certa

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-04-01 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Michael Banck wrote: > My point kinda was that I thought the BBQ was the better Conference > Dinner. I wouldn't mind if we just had another one with some additional > social events one evening and scrap the traditional conference dinner. I agree with Ana that t

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-04-01 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Michael Banck [2014-04-02 00:36 +0200]: > My point kinda was that I thought the BBQ was the better Conference > Dinner. I wouldn't mind if we just had another one with some additional > social events one evening and scrap the traditional conference dinner. Or find ways to integrate th

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-04-01 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:44:05PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > I think the BBQ for the Debian Party at DC13 was quite nice, not the > > least cause people could mingle freely. Having sit everybody at a > > table means you can only talk to people next or opposite of you. > > Yes. Wh

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-04-01 Thread Moray Allan
On 2014-03-30 00:02, Steve Langasek wrote: This is not true. The DC13 earmark at SPI contain all surplusses from previous DebConfs including Debian contributions which have not been paid back to Debian. Why is that, if everyone is agreed that surplusses are not rolled over from year to year

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 29 mars 2014, 20.16:03 Michael Banck a écrit : > > Patty, if you read the full quote in my email, this is in the > > context of budget and daytrip vs conference dinner. Nobody said > > here the daytrip doesn't have any benefit, just that the conference > > dinner seems to be something mo

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-31 Thread Patty Langasek
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 07:51:44PM +0200, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:22:19AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > me, they are all very memorable. I can still give you some great > > social and environmental highlights of all of the daytrips I have been > > to. > Which leads

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-31 Thread Ana Guerrero Lopez
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:22:19AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > me, they are all very memorable. I can still give you some great > social and environmental highlights of all of the daytrips I have been > to. Which leads again to: That's based in your personal experience. We have an enormous amoun

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ana Guerrero Lopez dijo [Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 07:18:04PM +0100]: > > > > That's based in your personal experience and preference only. I have > > > > seen > > > > plenty of people skipping the day trip every year. I know because I was > > > > one of them. > > > > The good thing is this is somethi

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-30 Thread Philipp Hug
On Mar 29, 2014 10:34 PM, "Steve Langasek" wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:14:34PM +, Moray Allan wrote: > > On 2014-03-27 19:52, Steve Langasek wrote: > > >And to any members of the DC15 team who may be reading this with alarm: > > >note that our max budget is for 143 sponsored attendee

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-30 08:54 +0200]: > > Do we have to continue this debate? > > I'm sorry, I thought I was asking a legitimate question about how DebConf > accounting is handled, not engaging in a debate. I think we should talk about this not in the context of specific instances

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 07:15:17AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-30 00:02 +0100]: > > Why is that, if everyone is agreed that surplusses are not rolled > > over from year to year? > Do we have to continue this debate? I'm sorry, I thought I was asking a legi

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-29 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-30 00:02 +0100]: > Why is that, if everyone is agreed that surplusses are not rolled > over from year to year? Do we have to continue this debate? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debco

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:03:09PM +0100, Philipp Hug wrote: > > The maximum amount committed by Debian to DebConf14 funding from the > > general fund is $20,000 *less* than the total surplus in the DC13 > > earmark at SPI, which isn't even counting the surplus in the DC13.ch > > account. This is

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:14:34PM +, Moray Allan wrote: > On 2014-03-27 19:52, Steve Langasek wrote: > >And to any members of the DC15 team who may be reading this with alarm: > >note that our max budget is for 143 sponsored attendees, and a $45k > >travel budget. The budget is set with high

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-29 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 07:18:04PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 09:17:41AM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:45:10PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:35:59PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-28 Thread Bdale Garbee
Patty Langasek writes: > I've had MULTIPLE people who have attended the daytrip comment that it > gave them a much needed break from the monotony of a conference ... I've been a strong supporter of the daytrip concept since the beginning, but I am fundamentally incapable of comprehending "the mo

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-28 Thread Ana Guerrero Lopez
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 09:17:41AM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:45:10PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:35:59PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > > > > > Without taking any position in the recent debate over the use of > > > > Debian mo

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-28 Thread Ana Guerrero Lopez
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 07:12:32AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Lucas Nussbaum [2014-03-28 00:23 +0100]: > > Yes. I wonder about the respective merits of the daytrip vs the > > conference dinner too. But I'll leave that up to you (the DebConf > > team). > > The conference dinner is

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-28 Thread Patty Langasek
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:45:10PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:35:59PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > > > Without taking any position in the recent debate over the use of > > > Debian money to sponsor DebConf, I would even go as far as saying > > > that Debian

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-28 Thread Ana Guerrero Lopez
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:35:59PM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 07:12:32AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Lucas Nussbaum [2014-03-28 00:23 +0100]: > > > Yes. I wonder about the respective merits of the daytrip vs the > > > conference dinner too. But I'l

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-28 Thread Moray Allan
On 2014-03-27 19:52, Steve Langasek wrote: And to any members of the DC15 team who may be reading this with alarm: note that our max budget is for 143 sponsored attendees, and a $45k travel budget. The budget is set with high margins, to try to ensure we don't have to turn anyone away who want

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Lucas Nussbaum [2014-03-28 00:23 +0100]: > Yes. I wonder about the respective merits of the daytrip vs the > conference dinner too. But I'll leave that up to you (the DebConf > team). The conference dinner is one thing, but the day trip is IMHO a really important aspect of the confere

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/03/14 at 12:45 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > So in the discussion with the DPL, it remains undecided whether the DebConf > newbies initiative will be renewed with a specific earmark. For the moment > I've left this as a single $32k line item in the budget for all travel > sponsorship; we ca

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-27 Thread Patty Langasek
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:56:04PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-27 20:52 +0100]: > > And to any members of the DC15 team who may be reading this with > > alarm: […] So there's a very good chance that a sizable portion of > > this bursaries allocation will be

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-27 20:52 +0100]: > And to any members of the DC15 team who may be reading this with > alarm: […] So there's a very good chance that a sizable portion of > this bursaries allocation will be yours next year, no matter what > else happens. :) We'll believe it when

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-27 Thread Steve Langasek
[Resending without attachment, apparently the budget is too big!] Hi all, Thanks for everyone's input on the budget (both on-list and in private). The DPL has approved a contribution of 36k USD from Debian's general funds for DebConf14 and a budget cap of 21k USD for certain "optional" conferenc

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Langasek dijo [Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 09:20:43PM -0700]: > First thing's first: I've published an updated budget draft at > svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/debconf-data/dc14/accounting/budget.ods, taking > into account the feedback so far in this thread, and also presenting three > different conf

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-24 Thread Steve Langasek
First thing's first: I've published an updated budget draft at svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/debconf-data/dc14/accounting/budget.ods, taking into account the feedback so far in this thread, and also presenting three different configurations of balanced budget: low, medium, high. I believe this mos

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-24 Thread Philipp Hug
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:26:47PM +0100, raph...@walther.im wrote: > > I.e., asking whether you thought the budget was ready for the *DPL's* > review. > > The answer seems to be no, or he wouldn't have started this discussion. > > 1) s

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:26:47PM +0100, raph...@walther.im wrote: > That being said, I didn't volunteer for this task. You might think that > asking: > 19:29:02 yes, where is the budget? > Is equivalent to volunteer for it but that wasn't my intention at all and was > quite surprise when gwolf

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-21 Thread raphael
Hello Steve, On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 04:24:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:45:29PM +0100, raph...@walther.im wrote: > > I have been asked at the last meeting to review and submit the budget to > > chairs. I did read the contracts and updated the budget with the help o

Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14

2014-03-20 Thread Steve Langasek
Raphaël, On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:45:29PM +0100, raph...@walther.im wrote: > Hello, > I have been asked at the last meeting to review and submit the budget to > chairs. I did read the contracts and updated the budget with the help of hug. > Please find the updated budget attached with this ema