* Brian Gupta (brian.gu...@brandorr.com) [140425 12:43]:
> Reading ahead in the thread, there is a lot of talk about the name of the
> clearing organization impacting whether we got sponsors or not. I have
> not seen this, but would ask DC13 local team members if they saw any
> such effect when app
also sprach Brian Gupta [2014-04-25 12:42 +0200]:
> Well, typically we have, and will want to continue clearing donations
> from many repeat sponsors through a long term TO, like SPI.
Sure. I am talking mostly about German sponsors who have not
sponsored in the past, or who are agile in this way
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 4:32 PM, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Brian Gupta [2014-04-24 21:29 +0200]:
>> Unless I am misunderstanding something, I don't think DE-based
>> sponsors team members will be approaching companies with the name
>> of the local clearing organization, and it's likely
also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-25 10:03
+0200]:
> The more I think about it, the more I think the Debian name helps find
> sponsors.
Is this to be read as official permission from the trademarks team
that we could use the name Debian for the intended purpose?
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On Apr 25, 2014 12:56 AM, "Michael Banck" wrote:
> However, if there are serious reservation about "Debian Deutschland" and
> using the Debian trademark from the rest of the team (as Brian brought
> up), it might make sense to go with "Debconf Deutschland", but I don't
> mind either way.
Just fo
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 09:38:24AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-24 09:06
> +0200]:
> > Do you need any final review or are we good to send the doc off?
>
> I think it's ready to go. I am just trying to remember what we
> decided on the Debian Deutschland
also sprach Brian Gupta [2014-04-24 21:29 +0200]:
> Unless I am misunderstanding something, I don't think DE-based
> sponsors team members will be approaching companies with the name
> of the local clearing organization, and it's likely they'll only
> hear the name of your e.v. on the invoice afte
I don't see any of this as an issue, but I have no problem with any of
those names.
Richard
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Richard Hartmann
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Richard Hartmann
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Debian Deutschland e.V. makes potential re-use easier, else it's just a
>> name of no importance. Toss a coin?
>
>
> After the question simmered some more at the back of
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Richard Hartmann <
richih.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Debian Deutschland e.V. makes potential re-use easier, else it's just a
> name of no importance. Toss a coin?
>
After the question simmered some more at the back of my head, I think I am
leaning more stro
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-24
> 09:06 +0200]:
> > Do you need any final review or are we good to send the doc off?
>
> I think it's ready to go. I am just trying to remember what we
> decided on the Debian Deutschland e.V. vs.
also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-24 09:06
+0200]:
> Do you need any final review or are we good to send the doc off?
I think it's ready to go. I am just trying to remember what we
decided on the Debian Deutschland e.V. vs. DebConf Deutschland e.V.
cs. DebConf15 e.V. naming front.
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Valid points; agreed.
Do you need any final review or are we good to send the doc off?
Richard
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also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-23 22:16
+0200]:
> How about we designate a proxy in the first general assembly?
> That's an easy way out. In case that proxy fails for whatever
> reason, we have a public Condorcet vote.
Philipp put it nicely: better elect into the board trustworthy
people,
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Richard Hartmann
wrote:
> Text like "einer den Mitgliedern des Vereins vertrauenswuerdigen Person"
> might fit the bill, here.
Keep it simple. Adding stuff that the tax authorities don't understand
will just cause problems.
And I hope you elect " vertrauenswuerdig
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:05 PM, martin f krafft wrote:
> > That would be the legal blah with an internal understanding that
> > this refers to Secretary, a TO, or a public mailing list.
>
> You would have to define a procedure by which such a person is
> elected.
>
How about we designate a pro
also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-23 21:44
+0200]:
> At least the dissolving of the Verein needs prior notice, but you
> are right. The Munich Cabal of Cabals of Cabals could, in theory,
> no pre-annouce stuff and then force it through.
It has to be announced anyway.
> > I do not think it i
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM, martin f krafft wrote:
> Realistically speaking, we're hardly ever going to meet in person,
> but online, because we are not all based in the same city. It might
> make sense to make in-person meetings require a quorum and let IRC
> meetings always be quorate.
>
also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-23 19:39
+0200]:
> We could add a safeguard that there's a grace period of two weeks
> after such a decision. If more than 50% of active/honorary members
> object, in writing, within that time, the decision is reversed.
Realistically speaking, we're hardly e
I added all my feedback via Git so jftr: I am quite happy with the state we
reached by now.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:21 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
> If this is what we want… sounds fine to me, even though it means
> that a meeting of 4 people can cause change of bylaws, if 3 people
> agree. How
Hi Martin,
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 21:40, martin f krafft wrote:
> There's a latexdiff attached…
>
> After today's meeting with the lawyer (Dr. Michael Stehmann, who is
> doing this for us for free! Thanks!), I've made a last couple of
> touch-ups and the attached PDF is pretty much ready to go
also sprach Philipp Kaluza (Debian Consulting)
[2014-04-23 00:25 +0200]:
> * If we define a "Rumpfgeschäftsjahr" anyway, I'd let the
> "Geschäftsjahr" start at April 1st. More in line with other cycles, and
> pushes the end of the Rumpfgeschäftsjahr further away from DC15.
also sprach Philipp Hu
also sprach Philipp Kaluza (Debian Consulting)
[2014-04-23 00:25 +0200]:
> Overall, looks pretty awesome, and certainly like an association I'd
> like to be part of. :-)
\o/ ;)
> * In "jegliche, geschlechtsbasierende Diskriminierung", loose the comma.
> * "des Vereinszweck" needs a tailing "s"
also sprach Philipp Hug [2014-04-22 23:20 +0200]:
> Art. 2:
> * oder anderer "Produkte": I wouldn't use the word 'product' in the
> context of Debian. This feels too commercial, and we want to become
> tax-exempt, right? Maybe use "Projekt" again?
Done.
> Art. 6c 3) requires a 50% quorum for di
Hi again,
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Philipp Kaluza (Debian Consulting)
wrote:
> * If we define a "Rumpfgeschäftsjahr" anyway, I'd let the
> "Geschäftsjahr" start at April 1st. More in line with other cycles, and
> pushes the end of the Rumpfgeschäftsjahr further away from DC15.
I think i
Hi Martin,
I just have some minor comments:
Art. 2:
* oder anderer "Produkte": I wouldn't use the word 'product' in the
context of Debian. This feels too commercial, and we want to become
tax-exempt, right? Maybe use "Projekt" again?
Art. 6c 3) requires a 50% quorum for dissolution of the assoc
* martin f krafft (madd...@debconf.org) [140415 23:37]:
> also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-15 21:39 +0200]:
> > Otherwise, I better abstain from reading more of it after unfortunalty
> > having started. I'm glad to be no member nor officer there.
>
> I will not reply to this message other than
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-15 21:39 +0200]:
> Otherwise, I better abstain from reading more of it after unfortunalty
> having started. I'm glad to be no member nor officer there.
I will not reply to this message other than by saying that if anyone
has open questions, they are kindly invit
* Moray Allan (mo...@sermisy.org) [140414 23:20]:
> On 2014-04-13 20:10, Margarita Manterola wrote:
>> There would be no liability for Debian (as the association is a
>> separate entity). Furthermore, we plan to employ external insurance in
>> order to reduce the liability of the organising team,
* Moray Allan (mo...@sermisy.org) [140414 23:48]:
> On 2014-04-14 21:24, Richard Hartmann wrote:
>> For completeness sake, registering a Limited in Germany (non-profit or
>> for-profit) requires you to pony up at least 25.000 € in advance.
>> This is why insurance is cheaper.
>
> For completeness:
Hi,
though I agree an e.V. would be most appropriate I need to give some
updates according to my own experiences. I assume legal and tax
council would be appropriate in this case anyways.
* Margarita Manterola (margamanter...@gmail.com) [140413 22:11]:
> This type of entity requires 7 members or
also sprach Moray Allan [2014-04-14 23:20 +0200]:
> - Donations can go through the existing Debian trusted non-profit
> organisations, and be paid to any supplier (including a temporary
> entity for a conference)
It is my understanding that FFIS will not transfer money without an
existing paper a
On 2014-04-14 21:24, Richard Hartmann wrote:
For completeness sake, registering a Limited in Germany (non-profit
or
for-profit) requires you to pony up at least 25.000 € in advance.
This is why insurance is cheaper.
For completeness: presumably one could register a limited company in a
more e
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Moray Allan wrote:
> Again, I can believe this is the best version for Germany, but in many
> places you could just create a limited-liability company rather than seek
> insurance.
>
For completeness' sake, registering a Limited in Germany (non-profit or
for-pro
On 2014-04-13 20:10, Margarita Manterola wrote:
The trickiest part of creating the association is to have a "purpose"
that will be accepted as non-profit by the tax authorities. If we do
not attain non-profit status, it would mean that we would need to pay
corporate and sales taxes (~ 30 %), and
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