Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-06-08 Thread Patty Langasek
Top posting because I'm restarting the conversation and don't want to get distracted by declaring the awesomeness that is RichiH's response. Richard, I'm so happy you responded as below. And, as much as it made me hem, haw, and reevaluate my mission here (:)), I'm glad enrico expressed his concern

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-09 Thread martin f krafft
Hey Gaudenz, et al., I fear we may have toppled over ourselves here a little. I didn't mean to cause problems. I wasn't trying to push the LCA code-of-conduct for $agenda. See http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20130821.09.f59c4a26.en.html if you don't believe me. ;) I simply wasn't awar

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-08 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi martin f krafft writes: > Dear Rhonda, > > If you disagree with the currently proposed code of conduct, please > submit an alternative version, or a diff. You know the rules. > > On the necessity of a code of conduct for the conference: > > I am myself not a friend of over-regulation, but so

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-07 Thread martin f krafft
Dear Rhonda, If you disagree with the currently proposed code of conduct, please submit an alternative version, or a diff. You know the rules. On the necessity of a code of conduct for the conference: I am myself not a friend of over-regulation, but sometimes it just makes sense to regulate. If

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-06 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! * martin f krafft [2014-05-02 16:18:24 CEST]: > if I didn't love you so much, I would call you a witty troublemaker. Starting off with a personal classification is surely helping get your point across, don't you think so? > I fully agree with you on everything you say and the link to

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread Kees Cook
On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 11:18:41PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-05-02 19:44 +0200]: > > I don't really have a strong opinion on whether this should be > > part of a CoC. If we accept that the dual purpose of the CoC is > > to make people feel welcome who would

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-05-02 19:44 +0200]: > I don't really have a strong opinion on whether this should be > part of a CoC. If we accept that the dual purpose of the CoC is > to make people feel welcome who would otherwise fear being > subjected to abuse and to remind people to be on t

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 05/02/2014 01:44 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > I don't really have a strong opinion on whether this should be part of a > CoC. If we accept that the dual purpose of the CoC is to make people feel > welcome who would otherwise fear being subjected to abuse and to remind > people to be on their bes

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 12:48:29PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Anthony Towns [2014-05-02 11:40 +0200]: > > This means no swearing on this list, or in talks ("so yeah, > > I tried that and royally firetrucked stuff up"), right? > I would strongly advocate to keep a no-swearing defa

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread Richard Hartmann
On May 2, 2014 2:49 PM, "Enrico Zini" wrote: > [Good stuff] I agree. To me, the CoC is a safety net and reference which exists, but should not be invoked just so. It's there if you really need it but DebConf as a social entity should be able to self-regulate in most if not all cases. Richard, W

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
Dear Enrico, if I didn't love you so much, I would call you a witty troublemaker. I fully agree with you on everything you say and the link to emotional correctness is spot on. However, neither you nor I are the target audience. And the existence of a code of conduct does not make any change to

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread Patty Langasek
On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 12:48:29PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Anthony Towns [2014-05-02 11:40 +0200]: > > This means no swearing on this list, or in talks ("so yeah, > > I tried that and royally firetrucked stuff up"), right? > I would strongly advocate to keep a no-swearing defa

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, May 01, 2014 at 05:06:08PM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: > I appreciate any feedback on list, and on the wiki. Once we've > come to an agreed upon CoC (or in 2 weeks, whichever happens first, and > barring any serious concerns), I'll have it added to the main conference > page and pushed i

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Anthony Towns [2014-05-02 11:40 +0200]: > This means no swearing on this list, or in talks ("so yeah, > I tried that and royally firetrucked stuff up"), right? I would strongly advocate to keep a no-swearing default. First of all, I think it raises the quality altogether if people con

Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On 2 May 2014 10:06, Patty Langasek wrote: > I've started piecing together a template for the DebConf (universal, note, > not DebConf14) Code of Conduct[0] Props. One thing: * Be inclusive All presentation material should be suitable for people aged 12 and above. Any public presentation

[Debconf-team] Code of Conduct

2014-05-01 Thread Patty Langasek
Hello! We were recently asked to provide a Code of Conduct for DebConf. Due to issues at other conferences, a written and enforcable Code of Conduct has become the standard for other open source events. We're very fortunate that we've not really needed one to the point, and I'm happy to spell out