Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-17 12:03 +0200]: > I fully agree. This means that the governance model of the orga > team should be discussed first, and the outcome influences the > association. Feel free to spearhead this endeavour from now on. However, please do not keep us from organising D

Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-17 09:25 +0200]: > If all persons who disagree with the board is expelled before, the > assembly could consist of only very few people. I had seen that > before, such a situation is not nice. In the case of an expulsion, the person voted on should IMHO *not* hav

Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-17 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > I even think using your by-law is a good starting point, and only > adjust what is necessary to adjust. > >From what I understand, madduck is working closely with German lawyers familiar with the matter. Without having had the time to do a

Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Gaudenz Steinlin (gaud...@debian.org) [140417 09:13]: > But as I have already argued for the DC13 association I'm sceptical that > separating the legal entity is the right way to achieve this. I'd prefer > a way where the governance of the legal entity matches the governance > model of the orga t

Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft (madd...@debconf.org) [140417 08:37]: > also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-17 08:24 +0200]: > > Just speaking about theoretical things, but: With your current > > draft the board could kick out all people having a different > > opinion, and if the general assembly would vote abou

Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-17 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi martin f krafft writes: > > I never considered the association to be an umbrella for the DC15 > orga team, meaning that I didn't even consider us all becoming > members beyond the minimal requirements. However, we also don't want > to separate DC15 orga into members and non-members, so in th

Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-17 08:24 +0200]: > Just speaking about theoretical things, but: With your current > draft the board could kick out all people having a different > opinion, and if the general assembly would vote about the appeals > anyone who disagrees with the board cannot vote

Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft (madd...@debconf.org) [140417 08:19]: > So yes, a whole lot of bureaucracy and legal bounds, but no > cementation of authority. Just speaking about theoretical things, but: With your current draft the board could kick out all people having a different opinion, and if the general

[Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)

2014-04-16 Thread martin f krafft
Folks, The point was made that a DC15 legal entity with bylaws and people in power might slant the way we work together and cause situations of authoritarian behaviour or abuse of power. I would like to clarify that the highest body in the association we're proposing is the members' assembly. It