On 16/03/13 23:43, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> No other country has such intricate data sharing/snooping arrangements
I should go back over more of my old emails to find predictions about
what will be in the news tomorrow
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 01:05:22PM -0700, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sonntag, 17. März 2013, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> > About this topic : from my own experience, I would advise *against*
> > targeting a "big" conference room, except maybe for opening/closing
> > sessions (ok, that puts aside the
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 01:24:35PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:59:01PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > > In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
> > > have financial l
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:59:01PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
> > have financial losses and was it possible to compensate them?
> I don't think DebConf10
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
> have financial losses and was it possible to compensate them?
I don't think DebConf10 sponsored those fees in that situation - but I really
don't remember. Ho
On 18/03/13 20:24, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> While Daniel Pocock is technically right about the structure of US visa law
> where the burden is on the applicant to prove nonimmigrant intent, he's wrong
> about hard it was overall for DebConf10 visa applicants to overcome that
> burden.
I didn't mak
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:50:28AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> And just writing off those people who resent the idea of being
> fingerprinted like a criminal as `conscientious objectors' is not
> helpful.
What is not helpful is your attempting to draw the bid team into a
protracted argument abou
Hi Steve,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:27:46AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:29:15AM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> > There were of course some visa denials, but way fewer than feared, and we
> > did have approvals even from countries where the worries were strongest
> >
Hi Jimmy,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:29:15AM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> There were of course some visa denials, but way fewer than feared, and we
> did have approvals even from countries where the worries were strongest
> (e.g. Venezuela and Central America).
I would actually not have thou
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:20:32AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Ana Guerrero dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:11:57PM +0100]:
> > My comment is meta to what Gunnar is saying:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > > We will find unacceptable lines with each of the pro
Ana Guerrero dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:11:57PM +0100]:
> My comment is meta to what Gunnar is saying:
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
> > not the right time to get too much into the detai
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:50:41PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Ignoring some stuff because you think they will be solved or "workarounded"
> > later is not a good idea at the choosing bid stage as we have seen this
> > year.
>
> I didn't understand from Gunnar's mail that he is ignoring
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 17.32:12, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
>I think Daniel got very sensible answers
> and he should realize now it is time to stop.
So we do agree, great!
> Ignoring some stuff because you think they will be solved or "workarounded"
> later is not a g
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:16:22PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
[... a lot of stuff removed...]
Could you please re-read my email? I said it had nothing to do with the
on-going discussion w.r.t USA. I think Daniel got very sensible answers
and he should realize now it is time to stop.
> No
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 16.46:57, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
> > not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
> > offers to make - Lets first de
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
> not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
> offers to make - Lets first decide on the bids. Stating the visa
> problem is enough for now.
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:50:28AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Agreed that it is possible to subtract from the stats those people who
> already have a 10 year US visa.
I'm mostly staying out of this decision because I'm too busy, as I said, but -
many of the visas that got approved in conne
We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
offers to make - Lets first decide on the bids. Stating the visa
problem is enough for now. We should later come to decisions on how to
implement a workaround fo
On 18/03/13 05:44, Tiago B. Vaz wrote:
>
>> When you consider that the remaining 10% is not an insignificant number
>> of people and they make as valuable a contribution to the Debian project
>> as anybody else, I think it is important for any DebConf bid to take
>> some time to reflect on their tr
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 08:53 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> On 17/03/13 01:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Hi Gunnar,
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:26:26PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> >> And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
> >
> >> USA, the eternal debate
> >>
Hi,
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 20:19 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> On 16/03/13 19:56, Allison Randal wrote:
> > On 03/16/2013 10:27 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> >>
> >> The bid itself doesn't specify anything about the above, it just gives a
> >> link to DC10, which leaves me feeling that the bid tea
Hi,
On Sonntag, 17. März 2013, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> About this topic : from my own experience, I would advise *against*
> targeting a "big" conference room, except maybe for opening/closing
> sessions (ok, that puts aside the difficulty of setting up a romm only
> for two sessions, for the v
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org):
> In that case, I think the best option would probably be to rent the ballroom
> (600 person capacity) for just the opening and closing plenaries. I avoided
> including this in the bid originally because I know the video team prefers
> not to have to mo
On 17/03/13 01:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Hi Gunnar,
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:26:26PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>> And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
>
>> USA, the eternal debate
>> ===
>
>> First, there's the obvious issue of going to the US
Hi Gunnar,
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:26:26PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
> USA, the eternal debate
> ===
> First, there's the obvious issue of going to the USA. Several European
> DebConf usual attendees voiced th
On 16/03/13 20:21, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 06:27:30PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> My own feeling: countries like the US and Australia shouldn't bother
>> holding major events like DebConf ...
>
> The visas and border problems are not limited to US and Australia
And someti
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 06:27:30PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> My own feeling: countries like the US and Australia shouldn't bother
> holding major events like DebConf ...
The visas and border problems are not limited to US and Australia
and what we have to check every year is we have the resour
On 16/03/13 19:56, Allison Randal wrote:
> On 03/16/2013 10:27 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>
>> The bid itself doesn't specify anything about the above, it just gives a
>> link to DC10, which leaves me feeling that the bid team has
>> underestimated the seriousness of these issues.
>> https://www.d
On 03/16/2013 10:27 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> The bid itself doesn't specify anything about the above, it just gives a
> link to DC10, which leaves me feeling that the bid team has
> underestimated the seriousness of these issues.
> https://www.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/VisaAndBorderIssues
Th
On 16/03/13 04:07, micah anderson wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf writes:
>> USA, the eternal debate
>> ===
>
>> There is also this tradition we have of not repeating countries. Of
>> course, being the USA such a large country, and being its Debian
>> population so large, I would not giv
Gunnar Wolf writes:
> USA, the eternal debate
> ===
> There is also this tradition we have of not repeating countries. Of
> course, being the USA such a large country, and being its Debian
> population so large, I would not give much weight to the argument, but
> I have seen i
On 03/15/2013 06:26 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>
> Proposed venue
> ==
>
> I feel the proposed work rooms you mention for the venue somewhat
> small. Quoting from the Wiki:
>
> One main plenary room with capacity for 200. This room has
> removable partitions that convert it into
And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
USA, the eternal debate
===
First, there's the obvious issue of going to the USA. Several European
DebConf usual attendees voiced their opposition (and some didn't
travel) to DebConf10, and several non-first-world w
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