Christian PERRIER dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 07:00:48PM +0100]:
> > Based on the outcome of the Doodle poll, even with some missing
> > participants, the date/time preferred by most is on Friday March 22,
> > 17:00UTC. So, some points:
>
> Ouch. Either I messed up with Doodle...or there was no oth
On 03/18/2013 05:49 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:45:07PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
>
> Probably not - we can mine the data from past conferences to get a better
> model for what percentage of attendees will be eating the cafeteria food at
> any given time. (We'll want
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:45:07PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
> > I'm not sure how the totals are arrived on the Comparison page; the numbers
> > look low to me even without including the venue and other non-per-person
> > costs. Can you elaborate on the math here?
> Venue rental for 4 days plu
On 2013-03-18 21:31, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Ok - So, we basically agree. My option was to have the meeting and,
if
everything was finalized enough, we could come out with a winner
bid. If not (and that's the most probable outcome), the second
meeting
is still warranted.
I really don't want to cr
On 2013-03-19 00:11, Steve Langasek wrote:
For my edification, does "extra documents" refer to this?:
For the decision meeting, bid teams prepare:
A description of how their bid meets each of the points on the
priority
list.
A description of the weak points in their own bids.
On 03/18/2013 03:12 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> FWIW, looking this over I realize there was a mistake in the bid page: the
> $66/night listed for The Broadway was per-room, not per-person. I've fixed
> this now in the wiki page.
Ah, okay, updated in the spreadsheet too.
> I'm not sure how the
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 01:41:50PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
> I've run a more detailed cost comparison for the Portland bid,
> projecting for 200 attendees and 350 attendees separately, so it's
> easier to see the base costs, and also incorporating some changes from
> the discussion feedback. S
On 18/03/13 22:54, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> sponsors), but let's say "not much".
That's good news
>> If CHF is unshackled from EUR between now and August, what is the impact on
>> DC13?
>
> As we have been proactively moving funds to Switzerland (and to CHF) and as
> we
> expect most ex
Hi Daniel,
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 20.14:41, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> Can the DC13 committee provide any update on exposure to EUR?
First, there's no such thing as a "DC13 commitee" [0]. I'll try to answer
anyway without any particular hat, but with facts.
AFAIK we do have a Postfinance EUR acc
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:25:35PM +0300, Moray Allan wrote:
> On 2013-03-18 20:15, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> >I do feel that, given that we have slipped quite a bit on our
> >schedule
> >*and* that we have got acknowledgements from both teams *and* that
> >questions have been actively raised on the lis
On 03/18/2013 01:37 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> If the Committee wants us to refine the venue cost estimates for a different
> configuration before making a decision, I'm happy to do that. FWIW, if we
> had to rent the Ballroom for the whole week that would double our venue
> costs - but to ren
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 01:05:22PM -0700, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sonntag, 17. März 2013, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> > About this topic : from my own experience, I would advise *against*
> > targeting a "big" conference room, except maybe for opening/closing
> > sessions (ok, that puts aside the
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 01:24:35PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:59:01PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > > In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
> > > have financial l
I've run a more detailed cost comparison for the Portland bid,
projecting for 200 attendees and 350 attendees separately, so it's
easier to see the base costs, and also incorporating some changes from
the discussion feedback. See the attached ODS file. (The cost per
attendee seems radically lower t
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:59:01PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
> > have financial losses and was it possible to compensate them?
> I don't think DebConf10
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
> have financial losses and was it possible to compensate them?
I don't think DebConf10 sponsored those fees in that situation - but I really
don't remember. Ho
On 18/03/13 20:24, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> While Daniel Pocock is technically right about the structure of US visa law
> where the burden is on the applicant to prove nonimmigrant intent, he's wrong
> about hard it was overall for DebConf10 visa applicants to overcome that
> burden.
I didn't mak
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:50:28AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> And just writing off those people who resent the idea of being
> fingerprinted like a criminal as `conscientious objectors' is not
> helpful.
What is not helpful is your attempting to draw the bid team into a
protracted argument abou
Hi Steve,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:27:46AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:29:15AM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> > There were of course some visa denials, but way fewer than feared, and we
> > did have approvals even from countries where the worries were strongest
> >
Can the DC13 committee provide any update on exposure to EUR?
Friday's night's Cyprus heist[1] (also referred to as a bank robbery in
some of the press) has raised serious questions over the trustworthiness
and consistency of those running EUR.
In particular, are any Eurozone sponsors on a deal
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 07:45:22PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
>
> I'm not sure it's the right place, time and thread to further debate that
> subject, though.
>
No, it is not. But shouldn't we try to avoid future problems? That's what
I'm trying here.
As you might have noticed I stopped
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 18.11:57, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
> E.g. I find the hotels prices in Venezuela extremely high, I could ignore
> that point thinking we can find a workaround with cheaper hotels later and
> focus in the bid overall. Later, it can happen that the venezuelan team
> agrees in look
Hi Jimmy,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:29:15AM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> There were of course some visa denials, but way fewer than feared, and we
> did have approvals even from countries where the worries were strongest
> (e.g. Venezuela and Central America).
I would actually not have thou
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (gw...@gwolf.org):
> Hi,
>
> Based on the outcome of the Doodle poll, even with some missing
> participants, the date/time preferred by most is on Friday March 22,
> 17:00UTC. So, some points:
Ouch. Either I messed up with Doodle...or there was no other
possibility, but that
Moray Allan dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:49:17PM +0300]:
> In case it's not clear:
>
> I would be happy for the second meeting to be only a few days later,
> if that can be arranged, if teams feel that they won't have any
> significant additional answers to give after that. So I'm not
> suggesti
On 2013-03-18 20:25, Moray Allan wrote:
In addition to that, there are a number of extra steps that need to
be done before the decision meeting, including extra documents to be
posted to the list by the bids. It doesn't (for example) seem fair
to
me to ask the bids at short notice to rush out
On 2013-03-18 20:15, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
I do feel that, given that we have slipped quite a bit on our
schedule
*and* that we have got acknowledgements from both teams *and* that
questions have been actively raised on the lists for the last week at
least (and a call for further questions is semi-
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:20:32AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Ana Guerrero dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:11:57PM +0100]:
> > My comment is meta to what Gunnar is saying:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > > We will find unacceptable lines with each of the pro
Ana Guerrero dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:11:57PM +0100]:
> My comment is meta to what Gunnar is saying:
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
> > not the right time to get too much into the detai
Moray Allan dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:54:19PM +0300]:
> On 2013-03-18 18:43, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> >- We should try to keep the meeting at a maximum of 1 hour. As it has
> > happened in the past, if we feel we cannot reach a decision, we
> > should suspend and call for another meeting in 1-2 w
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:50:41PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Ignoring some stuff because you think they will be solved or "workarounded"
> > later is not a good idea at the choosing bid stage as we have seen this
> > year.
>
> I didn't understand from Gunnar's mail that he is ignoring
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 17.32:12, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
>I think Daniel got very sensible answers
> and he should realize now it is time to stop.
So we do agree, great!
> Ignoring some stuff because you think they will be solved or "workarounded"
> later is not a g
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:16:22PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
[... a lot of stuff removed...]
Could you please re-read my email? I said it had nothing to do with the
on-going discussion w.r.t USA. I think Daniel got very sensible answers
and he should realize now it is time to stop.
> No
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 16.46:57, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
> > not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
> > offers to make - Lets first de
On 2013-03-18 18:43, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
- We should try to keep the meeting at a maximum of 1 hour. As it has
happened in the past, if we feel we cannot reach a decision, we
should suspend and call for another meeting in 1-2 weeks time,
after
some more on-list discussion.
I'm a bit conf
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
> not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
> offers to make - Lets first decide on the bids. Stating the visa
> problem is enough for now.
Hi,
Based on the outcome of the Doodle poll, even with some missing
participants, the date/time preferred by most is on Friday March 22,
17:00UTC. So, some points:
- The meeting will be public, in #debconf-team as usual
- An express invitation to attend goes to all committee members
(including
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:50:28AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Agreed that it is possible to subtract from the stats those people who
> already have a 10 year US visa.
I'm mostly staying out of this decision because I'm too busy, as I said, but -
many of the visas that got approved in conne
We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
offers to make - Lets first decide on the bids. Stating the visa
problem is enough for now. We should later come to decisions on how to
implement a workaround fo
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Henning Sprang wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To finish the finance part of the DC12 Final Report(miracles sometimes
> need a bit longer to happen...), I urgently need some missing
> information - adding names where I believe to know who can help me,
> but anybody having answers
BUMP!
Apart from Michaels information I've got no substancial reactions on
this so far.
The problem with this report is not the writing, but having the data -
and I myself don't have it, and cannot do more than I already have to
get it.
I will wait until wednesday 20:00 GMT+1 to get the final IS
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 04:41:58PM -0700, Holger Levsen wrote:
>
> And like every year, each bid and each choosen bid will alienate some people
> and as such will also prevent some from coming. Sometimes more, sometimes
> less
> people, but there will always be some. "Remember" dc13? ;) (or 12,
Hi,
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 10.11:20, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
> The DC11 numbers seem a bit odd. Is the total number of 558 attendees
> really correct. I'm quite sure we did not have that many during most of
> the conference.
Sure. As I understand it, these are numbers from Penta registration,
Hi
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
> Hi Gaudenz, and thanks for this discussion (re)start;
>
> Le dimanche, 17 mars 2013 22.36:59, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
>> I propse we offer the following options:
>> 1) Sponsored accomodation and food:
>> With this option you don't pay anything and get a bed
On 18/03/13 05:44, Tiago B. Vaz wrote:
>
>> When you consider that the remaining 10% is not an insignificant number
>> of people and they make as valuable a contribution to the Debian project
>> as anybody else, I think it is important for any DebConf bid to take
>> some time to reflect on their tr
Hi Gaudenz, and thanks for this discussion (re)start;
Le dimanche, 17 mars 2013 22.36:59, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
> I propse we offer the following options:
> 1) Sponsored accomodation and food:
> With this option you don't pay anything and get a bed in a large or
> medium sleeping-bag room and
Hi Gaudenz,
Le dimanche, 17 mars 2013 22.37:01, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
> I propose that we only allow upgrades to more comfortable rooms for
> sponsored attendees at the Front-Desk on-site for a fee
I changed my mind here: I do agree that it's the easiest.
Cheers,
OdyX
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Hi Gaudenz, and thanks for this discussion (re)start;
Le dimanche, 17 mars 2013 22.36:52, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
> It was pointed out several times, that filling the largest rooms at Le
> Camp to their maximum capacity might be unacceptable. I agree with this
> and propose to fill the 3 larges
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