Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-21 Thread Bertwim
Andrew, Apologies. I called you "Greg" in my reply. This was not very thoughtful. Regards Bertwim On 2/20/21 11:32 PM, Andrew Greig wrote: Hi Bertwim, Before I moved to Darktable from Corel AftershotPro 3, I was shooting RAW + jpg. And I stored my image files separately, thus 20210221-mo

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-21 Thread Bertwim
Hi Greg, Thanks for responding and thanks for sharing your workflow. I'll need to study it in a bit more detail, to see if it will work for me. So far, I have always considered the triplet of files (raw + the corresponding jpg  (possibly with edits, but fullsize!) + associated xmp, if availa

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Andrew Greig
Hi Bertwim, Before I moved to Darktable from Corel AftershotPro 3, I was shooting RAW + jpg. And I stored my image files separately, thus 20210221-modelname 20210221-modelname-RAW; 20210221-modelname-jpg; 20210221-modelname-exported 20210221-modelname-exported has  3 children   20210221

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Philippe Weyland
To export your images you have to select them first and export them. Before changing the selection you do: history stack / write xmp and you are done. Cheers Philippe On 20/02/2021 08:12, Bertwim wrote: Hubert, thanks for your response. I understand that "modified" is not a well-defined conc

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
I do not import jpgs. Only raws. On 2/20/21 12:48 PM, Bernhard wrote: Bertwim schrieb am 20.02.21 um 12:35: Such a default .xmp is misleading: if one would create a jpg-image using the info from such a default generated xmp, this generated 'default jpg"  is  (very) different from the camera

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
Dear Bernhard, This is just semantics. I'm afraid you don't get what I am after. It seems hard to convey the message that I need a workflow such that when DT is not used to do any "edits", I don't want to see any redundant xmp files.  If I know that any existing xmp-file can be used to regene

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bernhard
Bertwim schrieb am 20.02.21 um 12:12: Looking at export  makes more sense. I consider the exported files (say, the jpgs), as the final product of DT. After all, It is the jpg that I show, send to others, publish on a webpage etc. Pretty sure this holds for many people. That is why I want to

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bernhard
Bertwim schrieb am 20.02.21 um 12:12: Looking at export  makes more sense. I consider the exported files (say, the jpgs), as the final product of DT. After all, It is the jpg that I show, send to others, publish on a webpage etc. Pretty sure this holds for many people. That is why I want to

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bernhard
Bertwim schrieb am 20.02.21 um 12:35: Such a default .xmp is misleading: if one would create a jpg-image using the info from such a default generated xmp, this generated 'default jpg"  is  (very) different from the camera generated one. Which is understandable, as the camera has its built-in

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
To answer your question: /"But why do you want to write an xmp file against the jpeg... Dt is useful to treat raw files! Xmp files are useful to preview raw files in Dt!"// / This is because the exported jpgs are the ones that will be used e.g. to send to others, upload to a photo album, etc

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
Hubert, thanks for your response. I understand that "modified" is not a well-defined concept, as DT needs to do a lot of stuff which can be considered as 'modifications' on the raw picture. Nevertheless, in LightRoom mode there is a filter "select untouched", the meaning of which is intuitivel

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Hubert Kowalski
With XMP files creation on import is IMO mandatory, as only the XMP file contains any modifications at all, sice darktable does not and will not ever modify RAWs or processed files. You can totally disable xmp generation and rely only on db which has a downside of possibility of failing when needed

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
Sorry Dimitry, but how does this help me implementing the export of xmp-files of modified images? Regards Bw On 2/20/21 9:49 AM, Dimitri Gathy wrote: In the module import, there is "parameters" & the "ignore jpegs". When you export, you can choose the destination. Read the manual. Le sam. 20

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Dimitri Gathy
In the module import, there is "parameters" & the "ignore jpegs". When you export, you can choose the destination. Read the manual. Le sam. 20 févr. 2021 à 09:43, Bertwim a écrit : > I might do that, but I am considering implementing it myself. > I am not very familiar with the darktable interna

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
I might do that, but I am considering implementing it myself. I am not very familiar with the darktable internals (yet), Perhaps somebody from this dev-list kan give some suggestions how to tackle the problem. Regards, Bertwim On 2/20/21 9:31 AM, Martin Straeten wrote: Then you may file a f

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Martin Straeten
Then you may file a feature request at https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/new?assignees=&labels=&template=feature_request.md&title= and be patient until someone implements it ... > Am 20.02.2021 um 09:23 schrieb Bertwim : > >  Hi Martin, > > Sure, but that is not what I am loo

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
Hi Martin, Sure, but that is not what I am looking for. I don't want unnecessary being being generated. Kind Regards, Bertwim On 2/20/21 7:31 AM, Martin Straeten wrote: You can use the collection filters just to display edited images using darktable related tagging

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-20 Thread Bertwim
Hi Patrick, thanks for responding. Sure, this is what I do: only importing the raw files. But I don't want  .nef.xmp  xmp-files for images that I have not touched. They are redundant, serve no purpose, only wrongly suggesting that I have edited images. Regards, Bertwim On 2/19/21 10:51 PM, P

Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-19 Thread Martin Straeten
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Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-19 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Bertwim [02-19-21 16:48]: > Hi, > > My camera creates an image both in raw format (Nikon, nef) and a jpg.  When > the camera-produced jpg is good enough, I just want to keep it, leaving it > untouched by DT. No xmp-file needed or even desired. For  the others > pictures, I use DT to process the

[darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

2021-02-19 Thread Bertwim
Hi, My camera creates an image both in raw format (Nikon, nef) and a jpg.  When the camera-produced jpg is good enough, I just want to keep it, leaving it untouched by DT. No xmp-file needed or even desired. For  the others pictures, I use DT to process the the raw image and export a new jpg,