Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-21 Thread Heiko Bauke
Am 18.02.19 um 15:48 schrieb Moritz Mœller: +1 .mm On February 18, 2019 03:01:22 Bruce Williams wrote: Why not leave the current situation as it is, but add a CTRL key modifier to allow the alternate behaviour? like this approach, too. I think it would improve dt's ease of use.

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-19 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:26:12 -0500, =?UTF-8?B?xaBhcsWrbmFz?= wrote: > On 2/18/19 8:19 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote: >> Thanks -- and you see why I harp on this; I need to squeeze everything >> I can out of the workflow. Over the past few years, I've put a lot of >> work into performance tuning KPhotoA

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Šarūnas
On 2/18/19 8:19 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote: > Thanks -- and you see why I harp on this; I need to squeeze everything > I can out of the workflow. Over the past few years, I've put a lot of > work into performance tuning KPhotoAlbum to squeeze time out of image > loading and that, and anything that a

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:32:07 +0100, thokster wrote: > Am 18.02.19 um 22:48 schrieb Robert Krawitz: >> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:37:06 +0100, thokster wrote: >>> Maybe it's faster for your workflow. >>> >>> You can add a preset for e.g. your original aspect ratio and >>> configure a keyboard shortcut.

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread thokster
Am 18.02.19 um 22:48 schrieb Robert Krawitz: On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:37:06 +0100, thokster wrote: Am 18.02.19 um 20:52 schrieb Robert Krawitz: On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:23:40 +0100, thokster wrote: Did you try the crop tool in perspective correction. There you can try also the automatic rotation f

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:37:06 +0100, thokster wrote: > Am 18.02.19 um 20:52 schrieb Robert Krawitz: >> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:23:40 +0100, thokster wrote: >>> Did you try the crop tool in perspective correction. >>> There you can try also the automatic rotation function by Ctrl-clicking. >> Perspect

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread thokster
Am 18.02.19 um 20:52 schrieb Robert Krawitz: On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:23:40 +0100, thokster wrote: Did you try the crop tool in perspective correction. There you can try also the automatic rotation function by Ctrl-clicking. Perspective correction is irrelevant to me in this case, as is automatic

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:50:08 +0100, Sturm Flut wrote: > Dear Robert, > > Am 18.02.19 um 17:54 schrieb Robert Krawitz: > >>> the comment holds some validity in this particular case since darktable >>> can't losslessly crop a JPEG file, but other tools can. If the original >>> poster ended up just cr

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Sturm Flut
Dear Robert, Am 18.02.19 um 17:54 schrieb Robert Krawitz: the comment holds some validity in this particular case since darktable can't losslessly crop a JPEG file, but other tools can. If the original poster ended up just cropping (and not rotating) most files, something like cropgui[1] would

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:34:11 -0800, David Vincent-Jones wrote: > I am not a developer but do feel that using tools appropriate for > the work is often more productive than trying to adapt and > complicate. Understood, but I haven't found useful tools other than Darktable and RawTherapee. CropGUI

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:23:40 +0100, thokster wrote: > Did you try the crop tool in perspective correction. > There you can try also the automatic rotation function by Ctrl-clicking. Perspective correction is irrelevant to me in this case, as is automatic rotation. It's the UI mechanics of croppin

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread David Vincent-Jones
I am not a developer but do feel that using tools appropriate for the work is often more productive than trying to adapt and complicate. On 2019-02-18 5:49 a.m., Moritz Mœller wrote: That's a typical developer answer. Amusing and sad at the same time. _

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:24:05 +0100, sturmflut wrote: > Hi, > > the comment holds some validity in this particular case since darktable > can't losslessly crop a JPEG file, but other tools can. If the original > poster ended up just cropping (and not rotating) most files, something > like cropgui[1]

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread sturmflut
Hi, the comment holds some validity in this particular case since darktable can't losslessly crop a JPEG file, but other tools can. If the original poster ended up just cropping (and not rotating) most files, something like cropgui[1] would actually yield better image quality. (Obviously this is

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread thokster
Did you try the crop tool in perspective correction. There you can try also the automatic rotation function by Ctrl-clicking. Am 18.02.19 um 01:08 schrieb Robert Krawitz: I find the crop tool to be unwieldly for my common use case, namely processing a large number of photographs from shooting sp

Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Moritz Mœller
shuttersincpodcast.com sinelanguagepodcast.com e-mail | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook | Soundcloud | Quora -- -- Forwarded message - From: Jason Polak Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case To

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Moritz Mœller
On February 17, 2019 23:01:58 David Vincent-Jones wrote: Although darktable handles JPG images very well, I think that its primary market was targeted towards users who shoot RAW [...] That's a typical developer answer. Amusing and sad at the same time. The user brings up an UX issue that is

Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-18 Thread Robert Krawitz
Forwarded message - > From: Jason Polak > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case > To: > > > For some people that might be true, but the current system also has an > advantage: if the shot is alrea

Fwd: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-17 Thread Bruce Williams
- -- Forwarded message - From: Jason Polak Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case To: For some people that might be true, but the current system also has an advantage: if the shot is already pretty good but just

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-17 Thread Jason Polak
For some people that might be true, but the current system also has an advantage: if the shot is already pretty good but just needs a slight cropping, then only a little dragging in one corner may be required, without much dragging. Then the click-in-square method for moving the crop is actually us

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-17 Thread August Schwerdfeger
How is this a JPEG vs. RAW issue? I have done a great deal of cropping in Darktable (on both JPEGs and RAWs) and I think that adding the proposed single-drag interaction would speed up cropping a great deal over the current process, no matter the format of the image being edited. -- August Schwerd

Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-17 Thread David Vincent-Jones
Although darktable handles JPG images very well, I think that its primary market was targeted towards users who shoot RAW with an expectation of doing more complex processing on individual frames. Maybe darktable is simply the wrong software for your high production needs. On 2019-02-17 4:08 p

[darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case

2019-02-17 Thread Robert Krawitz
I find the crop tool to be unwieldly for my common use case, namely processing a large number of photographs from shooting sports. I shoot a lot of basketball and (American) football games for my alma mater. My workflow is to import the typically ~2000 photos into KPhotoAlbum, review them and sel