>>Further, placing the notes in a simple aluminum foil pouch, or a
wallet > with equivalent lining, would cut any detectable signals by maybe
30-50 > dB. > Most people don't, and won't do this. You may not worry about
the sheeple, but I do.<<
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Tim May wrote:
> How come? Because I am assuming the transponders are in the same
> position on each bill. If you want to posit some "spatial diversity"
> model, that helps, but not but a huge amount. This sounds too science
> fictionish to actually deploy (transponders are
At 06:53 PM 04/10/2002 -0700, and a number of other times, Tim May wrote:
>--Tim May
>"Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat." --David
>Honig, on the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11
I've got three cats, and one of them very definitely is the alpha cat.
On the other hand, there's
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On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 04:24 AM, Ken Brown wrote:
> For some reason the mention of a "Susan B Anthony" dollar stuck in my
> brain as an "Alice B Sheldon" dollar. Susan Anthony is a person who I've
> never heard of. I'm almost tempted not to find out who she is or was to
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 06:41:52PM -0700, Mike Rosing wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Adam Back wrote:
> > btw I did a google search for PKILAB and Brands to see if I could find
> > anything along the lines you mention and look what it said:
> >
> > Mar 2001 "Welcome Stefan Brands to PKILabs Adviso
New thread about deployment barriers to explore the topic of whether
there are now more internet services and technologies that would allow
us to get closer to deployment of ecash. (It would be about time
you'd think).
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 08:30:07AM +0200, Anonymous wrote:
> [...]
> Of cours
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Adam Back wrote:
> Well I also am pretty anti-patent, especially the xor-cursor and
> business process kind, but at least these ecash patents are not
> frivolous patents (well Chaum's RSA blinding online scheme may look
> pretty simple once you've seen it but Brands stuff is
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:37:50PM +0100, Adam Back wrote:
| - deployment / chicken and egg problem (merchants want lots of users
| before they're interested users want wide merchant acceptance before
| their interested)
I think its worse than that. The normal technology adoption curve is
that y
> Patent's aren't the problem - price of royalty is. If Brands is willing
No Patents are a problem. The total future cost, including the
costs of all license negotiations and compliance burdens are
unpredictable and consequently do not make a wise investment.
Futher, companies view patent licen
At 01:14 AM 4/12/2002 +1000, Julian Assange wrote:
> > Patent's aren't the problem - price of royalty is. If Brands is willing
>
>No Patents are a problem. The total future cost, including the
>costs of all license negotiations and compliance burdens are
>unpredictable and consequently do not mak
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On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Trei, Peter wrote:
> [1. Agreed, this thread has lost steam.
> 2. It always amazes me how often people on this list will handwave and
> speculate on subjects which a few minutes with Google will settle. Too
> often, we're like the medieval academics who
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On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:37 AM, Adam Back wrote:
> New thread about deployment barriers to explore the topic of whether
> there are now more internet services and technologies that would allow
> us to get closer to depl
On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Adam Back wrote:
>
>> Well I also am pretty anti-patent, especially the xor-cursor and
>> business process kind, but at least these ecash patents are not
>> frivolous patents (well Chaum's RSA blinding online sch
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> I could imagine airlines screening for this, though, as a big RFID splash
> would invite you to become a target for "random" searches, and a
> prospective target for confiscation.
Better yet, rather than nuke your rfids, try to extract them out of the
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> Subject: RE: Detectable cash notes a fantasy
>
> > Go and read 'Repent Harlequin! Cried the Tick-Tock Man' by PK Dick for a
> > particularly s
> The fact that it hasn't worked out as well as it might is a testament to
> just how strong our ape legacy is: the weak and stupid are at the mercy of
the
> strong and cunning and always will be. Here there and everywhere, from
Dumbiosity on the rise.
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--- Todd Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brilliant!Keep writing. Where can I read more of
> your good common-sense writing?
>
> let's startup a newsgroup, alt.recovery.dbs,
>
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>
> Frederick Kagan, a historian at the US Military Academy,
> argued in a tal
Changing "trust" to "believe" advances the discussion not one whit.
Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs
keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything.
In fact if anything it's a step backwards. Trust is a specific form of
belief; it is a belief on which th
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Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote:
> > But the reason we have AC today is because Tesla requested no
> > royalties on his motor/generator. Something for Brands to think
> > about.
>
> No, we have AC because AC works better than DC i
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Changing "trust" to "believe" advances the discussion not one whit.
> Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs
> keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything.
>
> In fact if anything it's a step backwards. Trust is a
"Trei, Peter" wrote:
[...snip...]
what you said is all true but the benefit (as you pointed out) is
primarily to the retailer, not the shopper. All this doesn't apply to
higher-value transactions of course.
> Ken, when was the last time you paid for a call from a UK
> public phone with coins?
>
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Tim May wrote:
>> How come? True, if a bill is idealized as being planar, you'll have
>> trouble on the plane. Spatial diversity will take care of that.
>> Otherwise, a common note has plenty of surface to do your thing on.
>> Especially at higher frequencies, like UHF and be
[We can propable expect a new Operation Northwoods from Kagan, et al soon]
>Frederick Kagan, a historian at the US Military Academy,
argued in a talk recently that the US needs to:
>More than double its defense expenditures;
>Ignore the Europeans and other allies due to their military
ineffec
At 8:30 AM +0200 on 4/11/02, Anonymous exfumed out of Vienna again:
> [By forwarding this mail to the DBS list,
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> Robert Hettinga agrees that
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On 11 Apr 2002 at 12:48, A. Melon wrote:
> Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote:
> > > But the reason we have AC today is because Tesla requested no
> > > royalties on his motor/generator. Something for Brands to think
> > > about.
>
At 10:57 AM 4/11/2002 -0400, Adam Shostack wrote:
>Thus, ecash deployment is a 3 party problem, where most new
>technologies that succeed are not.
Actually, it is worse than this.
Credit cards are a four party transaction. Mostly for historical reasons, but
still, the customer's card is present
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:29:39AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:37 AM, Adam Back wrote:
> > - deployment / chicken and egg problem (merchants want lots of users
> > before they're interested users want wide merchant acceptance before
> > their interested)
>
> As I h
I just wrote:
> If they grew large enough their acceptance, or an ecash system backed
> in them, might spill over into the real world and allow purchase of
> services on the web, or even physical goods.
To be more concrete: there are already apparently e-gold backed credit
cards. So why not Ever
On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 12:48 PM, A. Melon wrote:
> Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote:
>>> But the reason we have AC today is because Tesla requested no
>>> royalties on his motor/generator. Something for Brands to think
>
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> >Among the Bourgeoisophobes
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> Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Mike Rosing wrote:
> > > But the reason we have AC today is because Tesla requested no
> > > royalties on his motor/generator. Something for Brands to think
> > > about.
> >
> > No, we have
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Ken Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>For some reason the mention of a "Susan B Anthony" dollar stuck in my brain as
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>of. I'm almost tempted not to find out who she is or was to preserve a nugget
>of delicious cognitive
On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 10:05 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote:
> Ken Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> For some reason the mention of a "Susan B Anthony" dollar stuck in my
>> brain as
>> an "Alice B Sheldon" dollar. Susan Anthony is a person who I've never
>> heard
>> of. I'm almost temp
At 01:43 AM 4/11/2002 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Pat Farrell wrote:
>> Banks exchange bits thru the ACH networks based on
>> a belief that their exchange is valid.
>
>No, they exchange bits based on a very expensive and complicated protocol
>that has a variety of safe guards bu
> Changing "trust" to "believe" advances the discussion not one whit.
> Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs
> keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything.
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> for Everquest currency (virtual "platinum pieces"). The Everquest VR
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> by trading and selling virtual artifact
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