At 01:28 PM 11/3/01 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>On Saturday, November 3, 2001, at 11:06 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>> http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/11/03/1813233
>What else is expected in a police state?
>
>The soldiers say who can travel, and where.
>
>Fuck this nation. Fuck it to
At 12:04 AM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>Besides, if this guardsman was as naive as you say how did he know who
>she was? As I understood it her name was on a list.
..."on a list." of people who purchased their tickets online. w00h00.
>Think about that, on a list...
*yawn*
>You're an a
At 09:47 PM 11/3/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>On 3 Nov 2001, at 13:28, Tim May wrote:
>
>> What else is expected in a police state?
>> The soldiers say who can travel, and where.
>> Fuck this nation. Fuck it to death and start over.
>
>Tim, you are getting much too cynical!
That isn't
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
>
> At 09:47 PM 11/3/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
> >On 3 Nov 2001, at 13:28, Tim May wrote:
> >
> >> What else is expected in a police state?
> >> The soldiers say who can travel, and where.
> >> Fuck this nation. Fuck it to death and start over.
> >
>
On 3 Nov 2001, at 22:20, Reese wrote:
> The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
> eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
Yes, you are right, she was searching for attention but she received
more than she bargined for. The point is how did the fr
At 12:32 AM 11/4/01 -0800, S a n d y wrote:
>Reese wrote:
>
>> You didn't really read the interview,
>> did you?
>>
>> The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
>
>Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
Read the article/interview.
Every airline passenger is going through heightened sec
At 02:33 AM 11/4/01 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Since when are we required to be "cooperative" with illegal searches?
Why do you think it was an illegal search?
>And what's with the "dumb cunt" bit?
I calls 'em like I sees 'em, and boy, what she did was dumb.
Reese
At 12:51 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>On 3 Nov 2001, at 22:20, Reese wrote:
>
>> The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
>> eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
>
>Yes, you are right, she was searching for attention but she receiv
On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:07, Reese wrote:
> equestrian would not have pissed the nasty guards off, I guess greens
> think they can act haughty and snub everyone with impunity - wrong answer
> (aka idealism = 0, reality = 1).
I don't really like the "greens" type of person as they tend to blame
eve
On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:12, Reese wrote:
> Oh boo hoo hoo. I shed crocodile tears. Truly.
>
> People flagged by the ticket agent, people who purchase tickets online.
> That's what got her flagged. Dig deeper, you are missing it.
> Obviously. Carry on, you don't need me for this.
What am I m
At 01:41 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:07, Reese wrote:
>
>> equestrian would not have pissed the nasty guards off, I guess greens
>> think they can act haughty and snub everyone with impunity - wrong answer
>> (aka idealism = 0, reality = 1).
>
>I don't reall
At 01:58 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>On 3 Nov 2001, at 23:12, Reese wrote:
>
>> Oh boo hoo hoo. I shed crocodile tears. Truly.
>>
>> People flagged by the ticket agent, people who purchase tickets online.
>> That's what got her flagged. Dig deeper, you are missing it.
>
>>
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:05, Reese wrote:
> The real story is that it was flagged, but not because of
> politics, but because she bought her ticket online. People
> who use Expedia, CheapTickets, LowestFare, Orbitz, and other
> rock-bottom and somewhat ANONYMOUS ticket services are having
> their tick
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:11, Reese wrote:
>
Maybe simple but a legal way of looking at it which must form the
basis of dealing with such situations
> You still do not allow for attitude. "We reserve the right to refuse
> service to anyone."
Attitude is a very scary principal to which base passag
At 02:23 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>> The real story is that it was flagged, but not because of
>> politics, but because she bought her ticket online. People
>> who use Expedia, CheapTickets, LowestFare, Orbitz, and other
>> rock-bottom and somewhat ANONYMOUS ticket services ar
At 02:38 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:11, Reese wrote:
>
>>
>
>Maybe simple but a legal way of looking at it which must form the
>basis of dealing with such situations
Note that "legal" and "legitimate" are not fully synonymous.
>> You still do not allow fo
On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:49, Reese wrote:
> What is precedent and case history of the "We reserve the right..."
> signs in public establishments, restaurants for example? How about
> the "no shirts, no shoes, no service" signs, whether food is sold
> at the establishment or not?
You can deny servic
>From Raymond D. Mereniuk:
:I kinda like a place where there is a rule of law and everything is
:totally predictable, something America appears to be moving away
:from at this moment.
--
But the situation *is* entirely predictable:
Some people in scary positions of responsi
Reese wrote:
> At 12:32 AM 11/4/01 -0800, S a n d y wrote:
> >Reese wrote:
> >
> >> You didn't really read the interview,
> >> did you?
> >>
> >> The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
> >
> >Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
>
> Read the article/interview.
Did. I don't care if
--
On 4 Nov 2001, at 1:58, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
> What am I missing here? Was the prospective passenger
> carrying weapons or anything which could be judged as a
> weapon.? Was the prospective passenger deemed a threat to
> any of the other passengers or the completion of the flight
>
James A. Donald wrote:
> Let us imagine the following scenario.
> You are going to board a plane.
> Someone who is known to be, or plausibly
> alleged to be, a supporter of the
> terrorist movements the US is currently
> at war with, also wants to board the same
> plane. In that situation, your v
On 4 Nov 2001, at 8:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Senator Kerrey was cerrtainly a mass murderer, and the
> guardsmen who stopped her from flying were certainly thugs,
> but the reason there are arguably grounds for overlooking
> Kerrey's cynical murders and the guardsmen's thuggery ,is
> that i
At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
>big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
"useless pigs" would be begging for victimhood?
Ree
At 07:36 AM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
Me, to Tim May:
>> You didn't really read the interview, did you?
>>
>> The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
>> eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
>
>No she di
Reese wrote:
> Would you say greeting every police officer
> you meet by calling them "useless pigs"
> would be begging for victimhood?
I'd say it's protected speech. If the cop can't handle that, can't live up
to his oath to uphold the law of the land, than he shouldn't be a cop.
S a n d y
At 08:07 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>Reese wrote:
>
>> At 12:32 AM 11/4/01 -0800, S a n d y wrote:
>> >Reese wrote:
>> >
>> >> You didn't really read the interview,
>> >> did you?
>> >>
>> >> The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
>> >
>> >Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
At 09:36 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>Actually, a person or business can "refuse to serve" on nearly any basis
>except race or gender or a few other politically-correct things. "Tim's
>Surf Shop" can choose not to wax the board of Reese, for whatever reason
>it chooses.
That's right, whe
At 10:30 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>Reese wrote:
>
>> Would you say greeting every police officer
>> you meet by calling them "useless pigs"
>> would be begging for victimhood?
>
>I'd say it's protected speech. If the cop can't handle that, can't live up
>to his oath to uphold the l
At 12:50 PM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
>> At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>>
>> >Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
>> >big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
>>
>> Would you say greeting ev
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Analogously in Vietnam, the enemy mingled with the populace,
> so that even with the best of intentions, US forces wound up
> killing a lot of ordinary civilians, a problem made far worse
> by the stupid "body count" policy, where young ambitious
> o
Reese wrote:
> At 10:30 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> ...
> >I'd say it's protected speech. If the
> >cop can't handle that, can't live up
> >to his oath to uphold the law of the
> >land, than he shouldn't be a cop.
>
> Meanwhile, in real life,,,
Meanwhile, in real life, Reese wil
At 08:24 AM 11/4/01 -1000, Reese wrote:
>
>Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
>"useless pigs" would be begging for victimhood?
>
No, it would be testing the professionalism of the cop/pig in question.
Any cop who reacts to being called "useless pig" is, in fact
At 10:46 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>Reese wrote:
>
>> Yet that is how millions of Americans
>> are treated every day, usually because
>> their skin isn't white enough, their
>> bankbook not fat enough. Sound
>> familiar?
>
>All too familiar. That's why it surprises me how avidly Re
At 10:56 AM 11/4/01 -0800, David Honig wrote:
>At 08:24 AM 11/4/01 -1000, Reese wrote:
>>
>>Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
>>"useless pigs" would be begging for victimhood?
>>
>
>No, it would be testing the professionalism of the cop/pig in question.
Yep.
>
At 01:03 PM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
>>>I'd say it was a good litmus test as to who should actually be a
>>>police officer. Anyone who got perturbed by such a comment has
>>>zero business being a law enforcement officer.
>>
>>I agree. Given the curren
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:45:05AM -1000, Reese wrote:
> of Nat.Guard troops for civil things. So long as they do not bring in
> regular active duty military, in violation of the posse comitatus act.
This shows a common but not entirely correct view of the PCA. You may wish to
read it for yourse
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
> Ring a bell here? Green bad, Republican good, Christian good,
> Muslim bad?, or the other way round!! It would be very sad if
> America was to become this shallow!
Too late.
--
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If Governments really
On 3 Nov 2001, at 22:10, Tim May wrote:
> This is why we are supposed to be a nation of _laws_, not of _men_. It
> doesn't matter whether these soldiers are country bumpkins or not: the
> Constitution still applies. (Scholars may opine that Bangor
> International Airport has "invited" soldiers
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At 10:12 PM 11/3/01 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Any reasonable person reading Declan's article would realize the
>dumb cunt brought it on herself by being a curmudgeon and a very
>uncooperative one at that.
Goodbye, Reese.
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>Later, you can send out your posts anonymously and be viciously,
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
> Your mention of the list and the guardsman being aware of this
> horrible threat coming through the airport were assumed but my
> thought was it was a local redneck or folks in a vigilante mood. It
> would appear this person was targeted. Whe
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> You didn't really read the interview, did you?
>
> The dumb cunt brought it on herself. Even you wouldn't spit in the
> eye of a cop at your door and expect no action to be taken.
No she didn't. She has a legitimate right to express her political views
of he
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Blanc wrote:
> Later, you can send out your posts anonymously and be viciously,
> uncompromisingly, honest. I think that's how some of the original
> 'Patriots' did it.
Actually I think they first sent out warning, tarred and feathered the
objectionable who ignored it while
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On Sunday, November 4, 2001, at 03:10 AM, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
> On 4 Nov 2001, at 0:49, Reese wrote:
>
>> What is precedent and case history of the "We reserve the right..."
>> signs in public establishments, restaurants for example? How about
>> the "no shirts, no shoes, no service" sign
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>>
> I think "overlooking" is too strong a word, I think it's more
> reasonable to call it mitigating circimstances. The guardsman
> needs to have it explained to him (in a way that the lesson will
> stick) that he does not have
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
>
> >Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
> >big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
>
> Would you say greeting every police officer you meet by calling them
> "us
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
>
> > At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
> >
> > >Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
> > >big mouth doesn't mean you should become a victim.
> >
> > Would you say greeti
Reese wrote:
> You didn't really read the interview,
> did you?
>
> The dumb cunt brought it on herself.
Yeah, just like all those other rape victims...
S a n d y
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> At 12:50 PM 11/4/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> >On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> >> At 03:10 AM 11/4/01 -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:
> >>
> >> >Back to Sandy's coments Re: rape victims. Just because you got a
> >> >big mouth doesn't mean you should be
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> At the moment, it's National Guard, there is a long precedent for use
> of Nat.Guard troops for civil things. So long as they do not bring in
> regular active duty military, in violation of the posse comitatus act.
And it is pure judicial fiat. Guardsmen on
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C'punks,
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> C'punks,
>
> The Gadsden flag is the only American flag I have any interest in flying.
> Laissez Faire Books is offering a stylized, anarcho-cap
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> Working for the governor of their respective states, unless you're saying
> they've been called up by the Army and federalized. There is a long list
States are prohibited from having troops. Any(!) troops in the US (be they
military, guard, or militia) ARE r
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> States are not prohibited from having a militia, the National Guard is an
> organized militia, until such time they are federalized, at which point
> they fall under the Army's Chain of Command.
No, the can't except in cases of invasion.
> Why do you think al
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> http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
Um, yeah, right. Amazing how every single thing we have done has been
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s
On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> Whatever Jim. Have it your way, a century of precedent means nothing.
You may want to acquire (and possibly even *read*), "Government By
Judiciary".
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> Whatever Jim. Have it your way, a century of precedent means nothing.
I wish
The point that the government is so far outside the Constitution and any
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C'punks,
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>
> All of the rubble from New York ... all the huge blocks of
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At 10:06 PM 11/2/01 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
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At 07:00 PM 11/04/2001 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
Drudge flashes about lots of things. It's nice to get a bit of context
besides just the URL, Jim...
This is the Pentagon claiming that the story about Delta Force getting shot up
during a raid on Afghanistan
At 07:02 PM 11/04/2001 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36356-2001Nov3.html
>--
Very strange - the article headline and subtitle are seriously
at odds with the contents of the article.
Sounds like the headline editor has much different opinions than
Bob Woo
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On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 07:01:43PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
> Also, I don't see any evidence that he "strongly debunked" the story;
> he flamed it aggressively, but to strongly debunk something
> you need facts, not just assertions. You also need to have read the
Right. He claims the report is
on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:39:52PM -0800, Sandy Sandfort
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> C'punks,
>
> Friend of mine sent me this. I like the poetic justice of it.
Terminal velocity of dust is pretty low.
Reports are that the bulk of the WTC debris are same. There are
structural components from t
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Reese wrote:
> You've yet to show how the airport departure lounge and check-in counter
> is the proper venue to address this. It isn't.
??? Why 'where' even relevant? If it doesn't apply all day, every day,
every place then it applies no place at no time.
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Analogously in Vietnam, the enemy mingled with the
> > populace, so that even with the best of intentions, US
> > forces wound up killing a lot of ordinary civilians, a
> > problem made far worse by the stupid "body count" policy,
> > where yo
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