On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Black Unicorn wrote:
> This is the nexus of spoliation theory that bother me. Consider:
>
> Retention policy is ok under Gumbs (but only in its limited scope discussed
> below) only when (under 29 Am. Jur. 2d) "the spoliation or destruction [of
> evidence] was intentional..
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On 2 Aug 2001, at 19:22, Black Unicorn wrote:
> I'm not sure where you have been over the last 48 hours but
> clearly you've not been paying attention.
>
> Courts _clearly_ have the ability to demand the production of
> all copies and originals of a document. They have merely to
> order it
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
> No, that's not it: the only "trust" you give them comes with getting you on
> the first page in the first place, not what you come to think of it
> afterward.
Exactly, perfect example of my point. You had already made up your mind
that it was a 'worthy'
At 11:34 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote:
>Interesting article recently posted on the Nature Web site about the
>normality of Pi.
>
>http://www.nature.com/nsu/010802/010802-9.html
>
>"David Bailey of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California and
> Richard Crandall of Reed College
On 2 --
On 2 Aug 2001, at 19:01, Aimee Farr wrote:
[...]
(under ' 1503, documents destroyed do not have to
> be under subpoena; it is sufficient if the defendant is aware that the grand
> jury will likely seek the documents in its investigation);
\All these citations obviously refer to situ
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote:
> How does this apply to rights?
>
> Let us take as an example the contentious issue of "parent's rights,"
> "children's rights," and societal issues involving schooling, child abuse,
> indoctrination into the body politic, citizenship, etc.
>
> * Viewpoint #
Black Unicorn wrote:
> I'm not sure where you have been over the last 48 hours but clearly
you've
> not been paying attention.
>
Actually, I have.
>
> Courts _clearly_ have the ability to demand the production of all
copies and
> originals of a document. They have merely to order it.
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Ray Dillinger
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:04 PM
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Spoilation, escrows, courts, pigs.
>
> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Petro wrote:
[On record destruction]:
> >> Yo
There was some discussion a while back (check the archives since I
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Just another example of how fucked up the courts and law in general in
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On Thu, 2 Aug
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, An Metet wrote:
>Your complaints about "free research" suggest that you have the sense
>that you are more valuable than or superior to other contributors.
He is not "superior" in any substantial way; however, his expertise
in law, combined with a willingness to actually disc
Black Unicorn, esquire, wrote:
> (Lesson for other posters- to get legal research for free out of
> Uni, just insult him a lot)...
>
> ...Seriously interested researchers will spend time at the library,
> look up statutes and learn to Shepardize. I happened to be at the
> law library for an unrel
At 01:40 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote:
>On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>It would be worth it to go just for the purpose of asking what they were
>going to do about cereal killers.
You mean those who put ketchup on their corn flakes ;-)
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Here is the letter in question. I'm sending it at least as much to
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> --
> From: Black Unicorn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > At some point I will probably begin keeping logs that expire after a
> > period of several hours, so that I can identify and block spammers. I'm
> > interested in your thoughts on this, Uni. Is the defense "I never retain
>
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Ray wrote:
> [...] as one who
> is not of the Priveleged Caste in terms of access to legal information,
> (ie, willing to pay thousands of bucks to Westlaw or whoever each
> year) I am grateful to him for passing it on.
There are Cypherpunks without a Westlaw or LEXIS login? The mind boggles.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Harmon Seaver
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 7:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Spoliation cites
>
>
> I think you're getting a little off-track here --- the original
> discussion w
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, cubic-dog wrote:
> years ago, when I was a MP in Germany, I used to chuckle over the red
> light cameras and camera speed traps used by the Polizei. Neat idea,
> never work in the states, we have a 4th amendment after all.
You must have grown up in a different country, the U.
> --
> From: Black Unicorn[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > At some point I will probably begin keeping logs that expire after a
> > period of several hours, so that I can identify and block spammers. I'm
> > interested in your thoughts on this, Uni. Is the defense "I never retain
years ago, when I was a MP in Germany, I used
to chuckle over the red light cameras and camera
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On 2 Aug 2001, at 21:04, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Petro wrote:
> >
> >> SBOE: We'd like to see your sales records for 1997-1999.
> >> STORE: "Sorry, can't do that, see there was this *really* weird fire on my
> >> desk last n
Black Unicorn wrote:
>> Your complaints about "free research" suggest that you have the sense
>> that you are more valuable than or superior to other contributors.
>
>I think that's quite a reach on your part if you are pointing it out
>generally.
I don't think so. Other people don't think so.
Lucky Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There are Cypherpunks without a Westlaw or LEXIS login? The mind boggles...
Ones outside the USA who aren't (or rather shouldn't be) subject to
American law?
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I think Uni was merely making a humorous note on Tim's prodding him to
brief. I detected a sly grin.
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of An Metet
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Go
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Petro wrote:
> >
> >> SBOE: We'd like to see your sales records for 1997-1999.
> >> STORE: "Sorry, can't do that, see there was this *really* weird fire on my
> >> desk last night, and wo
Phillip H. Zakas wrote:
> this is truly interesting...do you have a link to the original 1996
> paper? do you know if anyone has incorporated this into a program?
David Bailey has a brief explanation of the Pi digit algorithm on his
Web page at NERSC...
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At 6:39 AM -0700 8/2/01, Alfred Qaeda wrote:
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010802/wr/tech_ukraine_virus_dc_1.html
>
>
>Thursday August 2 6:57 AM ET
>
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>
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Just because it is public DOES mean it's declassified. There are
Supreme Court cases on this. If the government can recover all the
copies, then it can REclassify it. But if it can't, then the document
is not classified.
I ran into this situation when digging up some of William Friedman's
ea
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An Metet chastised Uni thus:
>Your complaints about "free research" suggest that you have the sense
>that you are more valuable than or superior to other contributors.
Some animals really *are* more equal than others. Whether Uni has this sense
or not[1], the fact remains that some contributors
On Thu, 2 Aug -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Use their spy cameras against dem. Learn dem to see ninjas. When dey
Actually, I'm thinking about using webcams streaming frame sequences
offsite (and sending video stills to your PDA via wireless) once the
interframe delta goes over threshold.
And,
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>
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James A. Donald wrote:
> He has presented no such
> punishment, therefore no such
> case exists.
>
> Therefore remailer operators
> and the rest of us can in perfect
> comfort fail to keep logs, we can
> circulate thought crimes into
> irrecoverable systems, and so on
> and so forth.
Apparently,
Paul E. Robichaux wrote:
> ...the fact remains that some
> contributors to this list produce
> more valuable material than others.
> Uni, Tim, Peter Trei, JYA, Sandy,
> and a number of other old-school
> c'punks have been making this list
> worth reading since 1993 or so...
Thanks. It's a real
J.A. Terranson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> ...
> > So by my count it looks as though
> > we are now up to at least THREE
> > village idiots.
>
> Four: You forgot to count yourself in.
Not so, because I am not in arrogant denial of legal realities as are the
three village
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Frankly, even I couldn't be *really, really* sure I had given them "all
> copies" -- I've got zipped files floating around all over the place, on backup
> tapes, stored on various machines, servers around the net, floppies in boxes I'll
> find year
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Faustine wrote:
Jim wrote:
> In this context I meant "personality" as in demeanor and attitude, not
> scholarship and competence.
>Opposite sides of the same coin...
I suppose "attitude" can be ambiguous, but it's hardly relevant! Being
obnoxious, unpleasant, etc. has absol
Greetings all...
I ask a simple and profoundly obvious question...
With eeye and others releaseing codeRed src almost a month ago, has anyone
bothered to modify the worm and bother distributing (by force) the file
checked by the current worm which will suppress its operation?
This is such an o
Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >I like the idea of making a remailer part of a worm but it might be just
> >as well to make it an inherent part of a product since people will
> >attempt to eradicate a worm.
>
> And succeed. How many copies of "melissa"
> How safe are nyms from text fingerprints, and be it only word frequency
> analysis? I have no idea how good the state of the art is, but I wouldn't
> be risking it for anything production-quality.
I'm not sure, but I only use this for silly things, so I don't really
care. Senor Escobar probabl
Eugene Leitl wrote:
>How safe are nyms from text fingerprints, and be it only word frequency
>analysis? I have no idea how good the state of the art is, but I wouldn't
>be risking it for anything production-quality.
Not safe at all, even the unclassified programs are getting better all the
time
At 06:03 PM 8/3/2001 -0400, Wilfred L. Guerin wrote:
>Moreso, if noone is competant to have yet done this, can anyone provide an
>EXTREMELY stable high-load capacity box which can accept reporting of
>infected hosts? -- This would be highly useful in the target analysis of
>the worm's progress...
Continued...
I have found no obvious work on fixes yet...
Resolve: Time to fix this annoyance and be done with it.
Request:
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server control settings so that other individuals who are running an
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At 3:29 PM -0700 8/3/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> >I like the idea of making a remailer part of a worm but it might be just
>> >as well to make it an inherent part of a product since people will
>> >attempt to eradic
> Not safe at all, even the unclassified programs are getting better all the
> time. Check the archives for some interesting past discussion--and if you
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>
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Should be easy to spoof.
Submit your efforts to Babelfish and translate it through a few languages.
I'll bet that will blenderize it enough to fool most programs.
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At 5:48 PM -0700 8/3/01, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>If the law wants to take this thing down, they will not be
>attacking the strongest point -- ie, trying to trace individual
>messages.
>
>Instead, they will attack the weakest point -- trying to drive
>remailer operators out of business and thus des
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
>But the only place they can trace messages in a 'small world' model is at
>source/destination link, which means they're already on top of you. If
>they're out fishing all they'd see is a bunch of packets sent between
>remailers with the body encrypted sev
On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
>
>
> >But the only place they can trace messages in a 'small world' model is at
> >source/destination link, which means they're already on top of you. If
> >they're out fishing all they'd see is a bunch of packet
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It may well be irresponsible for Tim to talk about his probable
responses to a situation when unidentified black ninjas invade his
home. The reason it is arguably irresponsible is that Tim is endangering
his safety. But he knows that.
Talking about alleged victimless crimes allegedly committed by
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The tweaked code basicly fixes a couple
At 09:37 AM 8/1/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>Exactly so. This list, like so many other lists, is gradually moving
>toward "public politics" and "the law" as the focus of many members.
More public policy than "public politics," but the general point is true.
I'm not sure what the reason is. Perhaps
On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 09:31:05AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> I don't see anyone clamoring that Tim's copyrights are being violated
> when his articles are bounced around the Net in the same way I see
> _some_ people yammering that Declan's and "Wired Online's" copyrights
> are being violated when
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 1. Don't send attachments to cypherpunks
>
> 2. See below for the reason why
>
> 3. Reread rules 1 and 2
Actually there is no such policy on the CDR.
Declan doesn't even run a member node so his opinions of what should
happen with other peoples p
Declan McCullagh wrote:
> Talking about alleged victimless
> crimes allegedly committed by
> list members is irresponsible.*
> The reason it is arguably
> irresponsible is that you are
> endangering someone else's safety.
> Big difference.
I don't follow your logic. (At least you admit my alleg
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 10:51:04AM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>As long as the remailers themselves are traceable, make no mistake:
> they exist only because the lions have not yet passed a law against them.
>
Of course it would take many -- hundreds -- of jurisdictions acting
in concert to
You fool. One of the cypherpunks nodes removed the attachment.
Sending attachments to the distributed cypherpunks list when at least
one node remove them is about as useful as, well, arguing with Choate.
-Declan
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 12:20:01AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, D
Why did I ever deprocmail Choate?
1. I've already read Brad's essay years ago
2. I have a lot of respect for Brad but he wrote this from his
Clarinet perspective and I don't entirely agree with it
3. In any case, it does not disagree with what I wrote
I expect this will be my only response to Ch
Ever since John Gilmore went through expensive legal hassles when
receiving a subponea for the toad.com archives, I'm surprised that
anyone in the U.S. would want to volunteer to host them and announce
this publicly.
-Declan
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 02:45:06PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote:
> Um, do
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:26:21PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> You are blithering. I don't think you have the foggiest idea what is
> being talked about. And instead of learning, you just blither.
Another good reference for Aimee would be, naturally, Applied
Cryptography. Also the recent MIT Press
Tim May:
> Just so. And some of the recent "remailers can't work" critics
> (Dillinger, Farr) are breathtakingly ignorant of what was common
> knowledge in 1992. Worse, they haven't heeded recommendations that
> they get themselves up to speed.
I didn't say that.
I think Ray really did, eith
At 12:20 AM -0700 8/3/01, Lucky Green wrote:
>Ray wrote:
>
>> [...] as one who
>> is not of the Priveleged Caste in terms of access to legal information,
>> (ie, willing to pay thousands of bucks to Westlaw or whoever each
>> year) I am grateful to him for passing it on.
>
>There are Cypherpunk
Sandy, I so appreciate your attempts to span the gap, here, but I feel like
I am watching you hurt yourself. Repeatedly. To no end.
~Aimee
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Sandy Sandfort
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:07 PM
> To:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 08:59:41PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
> And in an agent provocateur mode, the software is illegal the
> minute they want it to be -- all they have to do is show a
> DMCA violation (which they can manufacture at will) and declare
> the software illegal as a "circumventio
At 7:22 PM -0700 8/2/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
>> Behalf Of Harmon Seaver
>> As others have stated, if you don't keep logs, or throw away all
>> your reciepts, there's not jack they can do about it.
>
>Uh,
At 8:09 PM -0700 8/2/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
>value. (Revisit my IANAL discussion in posts a few days ago in which I
>wonder aloud why these posters are taken seriously while the "I am not a
>doctor, but" posters are not).
Don't know where you've been reading the last 10 years, but i
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